17 YR OLD GIRL...NON VALK

[DIGGER]

On KILT in Houston this morning I heard that somewhere a 17 yr old girl, working on a school project, has found a drug that only attacks Cancer Cells and doesn't bother good cells.    What a blessing that would be.    However, the DJ's said that probably it would take years of testing before the authorities would let it out on the market.     I guess that is so that due to the side effects you don't grow another arm or leg.......or so that the greedy drug companies can figure a way to exploit the money making end.....huh.  Lets cross our fingers and hope for a cure.

[Time Worp]

Don't know if this is the same technology, but I seen a similar thing on the discovery channel last year where they actually tested it on a human in Europe. And the man had no side effects from the drug while it stopped the cancer from growing.

here is a similar article from 09

http://www.technologyreview.in/business/23855/

[wiggydotcom]

Digger, I just read an article about Angela Zhang, the girl who created the tiny particle to help
battle cancer.
This is the part I find incredible. Zhang says it could take 25 years between clinical trials and other steps before her research is helping patients.  What's wrong with that picture? Sometimes I think
the FDA oversteps their bounds. We're talking about people dying on a daily basis. And they're worried about the treatment/procedure being safe???

Why can't patients just sign a waiver saying "I am willing to forgo all legal action and hold harmless the inventor, manufacturer, and adminitrators of this specific treatment, drug...yada, yada, yada."

Even if it took 10 yrs to get through the pipeline, that's entirely too long for those that could be saved by her research...or any other promising cures. JMHO.

[DIGGER]

I was talking about this at work yesterday and one of the guys here said a family member recently went down to Mexico to a place that has an 80 percent cancer remission rate.  They are doing something there that is tied up in the beauracracy here.

[x]

Amazing, isn't it?  KILT, a no doubt ONE HUNDRED PERCENT reliable source, provides a news article that a 17 year old, on a school project, produces a drug that kills only cancer cells. 
 
And in spite of the fact that both non-profit (that's government sponsored) and for profit research spend billions each year and can't seem to do the same thing, you are all willing to jump on hearsay as fact, and condemn drug companies for 'exploiting' this drug and cancer research in general.  And, even more amazing, coming from dyed in the wool Republican supporters of unbridled capitalism.
 
Amazing... sucked in by factless claims... and only too willing to be sucked in by conspiracy theories.  Scary thing is... you get to vote.

[The Anvil]

Why can't patients just sign a waiver saying "I am willing to forgo all legal action and hold harmless the inventor, manufacturer, and adminitrators of this specific treatment, drug...yada, yada, yada."

They can actually. You can become part of experimental programs and the FDA approves experimental drugs for limited trial uses before their release to the general medical community. It's part of how they gather data.

Waivers are not always iron clad and they do not necessarily prevent lawsuits altogether, they just make them harder to win.

[RichIAFF]

wake up, the money is running this country, They can't make money on a simple cure

[DIGGER]

Amazing, isn't it?  KILT, a no doubt ONE HUNDRED PERCENT reliable source, provides a news article that a 17 year old, on a school project, produces a drug that kills only cancer cells. 
 
And in spite of the fact that both non-profit (that's government sponsored) and for profit research spend billions each year and can't seem to do the same thing, you are all willing to jump on hearsay as fact, and condemn drug companies for 'exploiting' this drug and cancer research in general.  And, even more amazing, coming from dyed in the wool Republican supporters of unbridled capitalism.
 
Amazing... sucked in by factless claims... and only too willing to be sucked in by conspiracy theories.  Scary thing is... you get to vote.

do you REALLY believe the high dollar researchers can't find a cure for cancer??????    Get your head out of the sand my man........................

 
It's the biggest industry in the US.   They cure cancer and half the nation would be out of work.

[gregc]

Yes I do believe that to be the truth. There is very little money to be made in a cure, but there is alot to be made in treatment.

[The Anvil]

If you think curing cancer is that easy then you have no idea how cancer really works.

But many caners are effectively (if not strictly from a technical standpoint) "curable" and are sent packing regularly. So how does that happen if there's a big conspiracy against a cure?

So, what of a country like Canada who has no vested interest in suppressing a cancer cure? Or what of medical insurance companies who could benefit financially from a relatively inexpensive cure?

Pretty soon you people (you know who you are) will be saying that drug companies intentionally introduce diseases to sell drugs.

CRAAAAZY...

[john]

 "wake up, the money is running this country, They can't make money on a simple cure"
its all true ...
there is no money in wellness     ..

[The Anvil]

"wake up, the money is running this country, They can't make money on a simple cure"
its all true ...
there is no money in wellness     ..

That depends on who you are and what business you're in. Own a drug company? Maybe not. Own a health insurance company? Well our health insurance company pays for our gym membership up front (not cheap) AND provides a group discount as long as we continue to use it. Our health insurance pays for surgeries like lap-band and gastric bypass surgery. Why? Because if you're healthy (well) then you're going to cost them less. So yes, there's quite a lot of money to be saved (and thus, MADE) in wellness.

But some people just NEED a conspiracy to feel whole.

[fubar606]

if it works they (the drug companies) will put it on the shelf with the other things that work.
      as long as there are stock holders involved we will never see or beable to aford it.


                     Dam do i sound cynical or what?

[98valk]

http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/     is what she found vitamin B-17, something the drug companies cannot patent? B-17 does the same thing, safely the way God intended.

http://www.gerson.org/

http://www.westonaprice.org/  learn how we should eat and how for profit companies have poisioned our food system. get back to how peoples ate 100 yrs ago and stay heathly.

[The Anvil]

learn how we should eat and how for profit companies have poisioned our food system. get back to how peoples ate 100 yrs ago and stay heathly.

What was the average life expectancy in 1911?

[98valk]

learn how we should eat and how for profit companies have poisioned our food system. get back to how peoples ate 100 yrs ago and stay heathly.

What was the average life expectancy in 1911?

And if that's not enough, when the Average Life Expectancy (ALE) starts to fall despite advances in modern medicine, something must be done so people don't start asking questions. Time magazine's January 21, 2002 issue contained the article, Can We Learn to Beat the Reaper? and this article said, "All the gains in length of life have been achieved by treating diseases that used to kill us in youth or, at best, in what we now consider middle years." I would have laughed if this wasn't such a serious issue (the programming of the population to believe things that aren't true). The four biggest reasons for today's "increased" life expectancy are: 1. Better sanitation; 2. The advent of refrigeration (no more spoiled food and deaths from botulism); 3. Life-prolonging treatments and drugs (but these deal with diseases and conditions, and while they may prolong life, they foster a lessened quality-of-life); and 4. The recalculation of the ALE (Average Life Expectancy).

At one time, the ALE included all deaths. If you died two days after being born, it was factored in. But when the ALE was found to be falling, something had to be done. After all, medical science was doing wondrous things, and there were new drugs appearing weekly, so the ALE couldn't be shown to be falling. So the powers-that-be decided to discard all deaths under one year of age when calculating the ALE. It doesn't take a mathematician to understand that when you take the lowest numbers (which in this case are really low) out of a list of numbers, the average number will be much higher. Then the media compared the ALE of ten years before this deception, to the new ALE, and behold... We're living longer! And the public assumes this is due to the medical/pharmaceutical industries. Why do they believe this? Well, just look at the above statement in Time magazine. Of course, the public never knew of the mathematic chicanery. If the media had compared the ALE one day before the change in the method of calculation to the day after the change, it would have looked like a miracle happened overnight.
http://health101.org/art_life_expectancy.htm


It is estimated that about 2.4 billion people in the world have no access to any

form of improved sanitation services (RSA, 2001: . As a consequence, 2.2

million people in developing countries, most of them children, die every year

from diseases associated with inadequate sanitation and poor hygiene

conditions (WHO, 2001: 12).

Sanitation is vital for good health. Health problems associated with poor

sanitation include diarrhoea, dysentery, typhoid, cholera, malaria, bilharzias,

worm infestations, eye infections, skin diseases and increased infections in

HIV positive people. Sanitation is also vital for wealth creation. Economic

benefits of improved sanitation include savings in health costs, higher worker

productivity, better school attendance, improved tourism and reduced water

treatment costs (RSA, 2000:13).
http://ul.netd.ac.za/bitstream/10386/359/1/MAHLOGONOLO.pdf

[alph]

in reality, the sooner some people die, the better.......  then again, there are some people that live longer then they should.

if there is a heaven, why are so many people so afraid to die?  what's so good about life anyway?  there're a few "religious" types i'd like to see dead.

[DIGGER]

If you think curing cancer is that easy then you have no idea how cancer really works.

But many caners are effectively (if not strictly from a technical standpoint) "curable" and are sent packing regularly. So how does that happen if there's a big conspiracy against a cure?

So, what of a country like Canada who has no vested interest in suppressing a cancer cure? Or what of medical insurance companies who could benefit financially from a relatively inexpensive cure?

Pretty soon you people (you know who you are) will be saying that drug companies intentionally introduce diseases to sell drugs.

CRAAAAZY...

HOLD ON BOYS AND GIRLS......in my original post I mentioned nothing about curing cancer!!!!!
I stated that a 17 yrold girl has found something that attacks cancer cells and leaves the good cells alone.  I wasn't talking "CURE".    I was thinking an alternative for CHEMO.   If her stuff DID cure cancer that would be all the better.    Lets not look a gift horse in the mouth.....I think she did good!!