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« on: December 22, 2011, 08:03:32 PM »

they have known (since the 70's)  that there is an eco system that exist on this planet independant of the sun. the system survives on thermal vents on the sea floor. there is one that has been discovered in the gulf of mexico 2000 feet down that survives on the sulfides from methane.

they have only explored a few percent of the ocean, I wouldn't be surprised by other eco systems that aren't solar powered.
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 09:57:04 PM »

this energy is residual power left over from millions of years of stored solar energy. it is not independent.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 03:44:00 AM »

Actually not the result of stored solar energy, at least not in terms of that energy falling on the Earth.

Its geothermal, meaning it comes from the heat at the Earth' s core. This is released at the joints of geotechnic plates where it vents. Microbes feed off the energy (or more accurately the chemistry that this enables). More sophisticated creatures feed off the microbes. This system is now independent of the sun. If the sun stopped shining, this would carry on.

However,  you could argue that, as the Earth was once part of the sun, the origin of the energy remaining in the Earth's core is still ultimately solar... Smiley

Either way these bizarre eco systems have been known for many years, and are behind the focus of much exploration / speculation by NASA (for instance of the possibility of life on various geologically active moons in the solar system). In particular this has opened up the possibility that life may exist where there is little light from the sun to fuel it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 04:03:00 AM »


However,  you could argue that, as the Earth was once part of the sun, the origin of the energy remaining in the Earth's core is still ultimately solar... Smiley


The formation and evolution of the Solar System is estimated to have begun 4.568 billion years ago with the gravitational collapse of a small part of a giant molecular cloud. Most of the collapsing mass collected in the centre, forming the Sun, while the rest flattened into a protoplanetary disk out of which the planets, moons, asteroids, and other small Solar System bodies formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_nebula#Formation_of_planets

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 05:11:42 AM »

I don't believe anything any of you are saying...Anvil, where are you?  Please set us all straight on this topic!   cooldude

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 03:03:17 PM »

This is a very deep topic,  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 03:15:44 PM »

I don't believe anything any of you are saying...Anvil, where are you?  Please set us all straight on this topic!   cooldude

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It's true. Science has recently "unearthed" life in environments that until very recently would have been deemed hostile to any kind of life. It gets little attention but it's actually turned science on it's ear because it means that all of our ideas regarding where it is and is not possible for life to form and flourish were tossed out the window.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 04:11:00 PM »

There's been ongoing discussion since we learned to talk about what is and isn't 'life'.
For example, all the rocks we see laying around could be a form of life but it just moves so slowly we don't recognise it.  A dark piece of cloth in the sun could be said to be alive since it can be observed ingesting solar energy and emitting waste products (heat energy).  Same for the luninescent watch dial.
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2011, 03:37:25 AM »


When in doubt you can always rely on the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/habitats/Hydrothermal_vent

Turns out that although the communities of life that live around thermal vents do not rely on the sun for energy, they DO still need oxygen and that is produced by photosynthesis near the surface....So there you have it - life in a hostile environment, but still ultimately dependent on the sun...

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