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Author Topic: Lights not working on cobra light bar  (Read 3634 times)
rxvalk
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« on: January 30, 2012, 06:37:25 PM »

Just bought a 98 Valkyrie tourer last Thursday. Previous owner said the lights worked when he started it the day before I bought it. I have tried the switch and the lights do not come on. I pulled the wires off of the switch and did not get a reading with the ohmeter. I replaced the accessory fuse and that did not solve the problem. The fuse was good. The headlight and turn signals both function.

What other areas should I check? What ate the usual culprits.

Thanks guys
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CajunRider
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 06:53:04 PM »

Idea # 1:  Bad switch...

That little switch on the Cobra bar, is crap... try bypassing it to make sure it's not burned.  (Mine has been bypassed for years.)

Idea # 2:  Lousy (or lazy) wiring...

Check inside the headlight housing... most people use those little clips to "splice" into the headlight wires... these clips are also crap.  (They snap over the existing wire, with an extra line coming out of one side.  The basic idea is cutting through the insulation of the factory wire to make a connection for the new wire.)  These things work at first, but corrode and fail easily... and vibration makes them come loose.   

If the connections are little plastic clips, remove them and have someone solder a proper connection for your lights. 

Idea # 3:  Bad ground...

Make a jumper to temporarily connect from the ground lug just beneath the cobra light to the negative terminal of the battery.  If the light turns on then, the ground is bad. (Quite likely if your Cobra bar chrome is starting to flake, like mine...)

That's all I have for now... Let me know if this helps you at all, or if you need further explanation. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 06:21:07 AM »

Just bought a 98 Valkyrie tourer last Thursday. Previous owner said the lights worked when he started it the day before I bought it. I have tried the switch and the lights do not come on. I pulled the wires off of the switch and did not get a reading with the ohmeter. I replaced the accessory fuse and that did not solve the problem. The fuse was good. The headlight and turn signals both function.

What other areas should I check? What ate the usual culprits.

Thanks guys
Like stated above. Switch is not very good. I replaced mine with a toggle switch and rewired both sides of mine. No problem since and that was 6 years ago.
David
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RonW
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 06:24:00 AM »

I pulled the wires off of the switch and did not get a reading with the ohmeter.

by the above, I'm presumming red lead on the switch's +12 wire and the black lead on the frame or battery neg terminal .... not with the voltmeter leads bridging the two disconnected wires?
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rxvalk
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 06:17:55 PM »

Ron,

Electrician I am not. I did try it with one lead from the ohmeter touching each wire. I will trybypassing the switch as you suggested. What is the + 12 wire though?
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 06:31:41 PM »

Hey, if they don't work, I would just take them off. By the way I would take them off your hands Evil cooldude
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rxvalk
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 06:58:54 PM »

Scooby thanks for the offer but I like the way they look. I bet I will like them more when they light up.
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RonW
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 09:37:28 PM »

I'm off for my nightly ride so I'll get back later with more details. Basically, the general idea is that you have to determine if the +12 wire 'into' the switch has electricity to feed the switch's outbound wire to all points beyond. For example, your wall switch is fed electricity from the electirical panel and when you flip the switch, the same electricty then flows to the ceiling light on the same circuit. If the connection at electrical panel is faulty, even if you close the wall switch there's no electricity available to light up the ceiling light. But you don't want to be blaming the ceiling light or it's connection for something's that's at fault at the opposite end of the line. Step by step, process of elimination, and so forth. Several posters have guessed at a faulty switch which can be tested by touching the wires together.
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RonW
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 08:05:03 AM »

.... What is the + 12 wire though?

+12v to the lightbar switch is usually done by tapping into the headlight wire at 'A' in the diagram below. Since you said your headlights work it follows you should have electricity at the switch. If you don't, I suspect that the vampire tap on the headlight wire is faulty. For now, you don't have to know what the headlight wire looks like. You can trace back the +12 wire from the lightbar switch, or look up the schemetic for the color of the headlight wire (R=red R/W=red wire with white stripe, etc).

The switch's outbound wire at 'B' doesn't (or shouldn't) go to the auxiliary lights. Instead the electricity is routed to an intermidiary 'relay.' [ A relay is an electro-magnet switch .... when electricity is sent to the relay, the electro magnet switch turns ON, and so forth.] With the relay in its ON state, electricity now flows from the battery to the auxiliary lights. *I suggest you check the inline fuse (red box).* It should be on one or the other side of the relay.



Perhaps, you should ask the PO whether ....

he used a relay? (see footnote, below)
if so, did he splice in an inline fuse?
which wire did he tap into to power the lightbar switch?

It might be a simple thing like both light bulbs went out at the same time. Best wishes.

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*the below is meant more for rxvalk*

The reason that an intermidiary relay is necessary, is that the current for the headlight flows through the Start Button with the factory configuration. If you were to feed the headlight current directly to the auxiliary lights, the combined amp draw would eventually melt the nylon substrate in the start button. Start buttons aren't sold separately. You would have to purchase the entire right side housing to get a new start button. Thusly, relays are cheaper. The start button in this context is a known weak point on practically all bikes, not just on Honda's.

The headlight wire is usually tapped because it's conveniently nearby the lightbars. But the side benefit is that when you turn off the key, the headlights go OFF and anything tapped into the headlight circuit shuts off too .... so you won't have to remember to separately shut off the auxilliary lights and finding a dead battery the next morning. Lol, if you ever get them working again.

There's 4 female connectors that attach to the 4 relay prongs. Try wiggle them around to see if they're tight enough. Also, the cobra lightbars that I have (sealed beams) were grounded to the metal light shells. You might want to unscrew the rim and take a look inside at the connections. In my opinion, it's better to run dedicated ground wires back to the frame or battery neg. A caveat here though, when I ran ground wires from the auxiliary lights back to the frame, I had to snip the shell ground, otherwise the fuse kept tripping. For some odd reason, you can't have a double ground.
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rxvalk
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 06:39:12 PM »

So I dug into it last night. It appears to be professionally put together as the wires all plugged into each other and had rubber covers which adequately covered each area. I am not exactly sure what a relay should look like so I am not sure if it has one or not. I touched the ground to the switch and looked for loose wires and could not find any. I put the headlight back together turned the key on and my speedo, tach, neutral light, stand and stand light were all out.

I thought great now I ve done it its more broke than it was to begin with. Checked the starter fuse, accessory fuse, and headligh fuse all were good. I called a friend who owns a valk and he asked me if the signals all worked and they did. We checked the brake light and it lit when the brake applied but did not come on otherwise. I pulled the side cover and the brake fuse was bad (all of these things were working before which is the strange part). I replaced the fuse and voila speedo, tach, brake light neutral switch and light bar lit up. Weird, I never would have thought to check the brake fuse had I not finished the fuse off when I tested ground I would not have found it. Weird that a fuse that is labeled as controlling things in the rear controls things in the front.

Thanks for all of your help, especially Ron W for the diagrams and Cajun rider for the initial response.
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