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ok there are potential items that the president may not be responsible for, say maybe 'fast and furious'. there may be a paper trail back to the whitehouse, but proof? tenuous at best. however you can lay high gas prices at the feet of the prez and he should own it. I keep hearing him say over and over there is no solution for the high prices at the pump, that's not true and it's in recent memory how to drop prices. he says oil production is up in the country, that's true but not BECAUSE of what he's done, the drilling is up in spite of the prez. oil drilling on public land is down 30% under this prez, but long sighted governors opened drilling on PRIVATE lands and we have more then we can use. demand is down because people don't need to fire up their cars because they don't have jobs. so we have excess we can export. counter intuitive isn't it? supply is high but so is the price? that's because of the other policies the prez has done to de-value our money, need more money? just print some, the problem is each piece of currency in circulation is worth less. soon you will need to open a line of credit to fuel your valk (did I just make a political post valk related?  ) you will remember when oil was $185.00 a barrel, but now it's just about 100$. inflation! they have tried to spin the inflation we are all feeling, they have said 'well if you exclude gas and food there really isn't any inflation" that works out great if you are on a hunger strike and you walk to work! everybody remembers 2008, high fuel costs drove people to snivel and whine on CNN, NBC, CBS and where is the lamenting now? on fox of course. do you remember why gas prices fell precipitously? W.W.B.D.? bush waited too long but he opened up drilling in Anwar, which of course drew a spate of lawsuits from the eco-whack-jobs. over all just the threat of drilling broke the lock speculators had on fuel prices, they speculate on oil still in the ground. prices dropped to $1.87 a gallon in January when Obama took office, we've been paying higher and higher prices ever since. I mean why not? he has a dept of energy head that has gone on record saying he wants to see gas prices hit $10 a gallon, that'll teach you wasteful people to burn hydrocarbons for fun! wow, talk about diarrhea of the mouth  but I had to get it out |
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 06:27:46 PM » |
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I'll bet you feel much better now. We can't get him out of office fast enough to suit me. And take your czars with you.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 05:03:06 AM » |
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Yeah, more production so oil companies pass the savings on to you out of the goodness of their shriveled, black hearts.  Sorry dood, the President still has no real direct control over the cost of fuel, he just doesn't. Oh, forces friendly to or in opposition of the President might, but he himself does not. This was true when Bush was in office and it's true now. Opening up a few new drilling fields here and there has a negligible effect on the overall price of fuel in the world. It's a drop in the swimming pool due to the skyrocketing demand in Asia. There's lots of stuff to blame O'Bama for, this is not one of them. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 07:06:47 AM » |
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Yea I heard so many people blame Bush four years ago (even on this board) because he was "a oil man". So with that said. If it was Bush's fault four years ago why cant it be Obama's fault now...
I understand that the prez can do little about high gas prices since that is on the oil companies. But how can we blame one president for inaction years ago and not the current one for the same Inaction's..... HMMMMMMM......
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 07:11:41 AM » |
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Yea I heard so many people blame Bush four years ago (even on this board) because he was "a oil man". So with that said. If it was Bush's fault four years ago why cant it be Obama's fault now...
I understand that the prez can do little about high gas prices since that is on the oil companies. But how can we blame one president for inaction years ago and not the current one for the same Inaction's..... HMMMMMMM......
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 07:21:24 AM » |
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Your right Anvil. I agree with you. Was just saying if they blame Bush before why cant I blame Obama now.....Right or wrong it makes me feel better,lol.....
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 07:40:00 AM » |
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I Yeah, more production so oil companies pass the savings on to you out of the goodness of their shriveled, black hearts. Sorry dood, the President still has no real direct control over the cost of fuel, he just doesn't. Oh, forces friendly to or in opposition of the President might, but he himself does not. This was true when Bush was in office and it's true now. Opening up a few new drilling fields here and there has a negligible effect on the overall price of fuel in the world. It's a drop in the swimming pool due to the skyrocketing demand in Asia. There's lots of stuff to blame O'Bama for, this is not one of them. If gasoline was $0.05 a gallon, I would still want him out of office. I can't stand the man. Are you saying his policies have not affected the price of oil? He doesn't control them, but his policies can impact prices of many commodities, oil is just one of them. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2012, 08:13:51 AM » |
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Yeah, more production so oil companies pass the savings on to you out of the goodness of their shriveled, black hearts. Sorry dood, the President still has no real direct control over the cost of fuel, he just doesn't. Oh, forces friendly to or in opposition of the President might, but he himself does not. This was true when Bush was in office and it's true now. Opening up a few new drilling fields here and there has a negligible effect on the overall price of fuel in the world. It's a drop in the swimming pool due to the skyrocketing demand in Asia. There's lots of stuff to blame O'Bama for, this is not one of them. Yes, but the price of oil is not entirely about reality - due to the effect of speculation, its largely about perception, confidence about the supply or lack thereof and the guy in the oval office can greatly influence that. If there's news about a new pipeline, or drilling being opened up somewhere, the price will go down, irrespective of when more oil actually becomes available or if its enough to make a difference. If some teapot dictator announces that he will cut off oil to Luxembourg, oil prices will go up regardless of whether he is currently sending any oil to Luxembourg or not. -RP -RP |
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2012, 08:24:40 AM » |
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Hey.... say what you will about him.... but he made "Gun Salesman of the Year" for a few years running now.  And.... as far as drilling here.... I seem to think that high natural gas/oil prices promote drilling here.... to make it more profitable. Who wants to go thru all that work for pennies when you can keep it stored under ground til it can reap dollars. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2012, 08:39:37 AM » |
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Your right Anvil. I agree with you. Was just saying if they blame Bush before why cant I blame Obama now.....Right or wrong it makes me feel better,lol.....
Oh yeah you're right. But that's "those guys". I'm not one of them. Skinhead, that's fine. I'm not a big fan of him either. But I'm just staying realistic about it. Now, if you want to argue that the Presiden't policies affect the cost of fuel then fine. But following the same logic that MAD was talking about, Bush's attempts to completely destabilize the middle east would have had as much of an effect as Obama's. So if we can blame one then why not the other? The fact is that the price of oil is REALLY controlled by the companies that own it. Taxes in your locality also have a major effect on what you pay at the pump, but that's kind of a separate argument. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2012, 10:35:05 AM » |
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You're right... it's not only diarrhea, it's crap. Stringing together of unrelated events as though it proves a point. Lack on knowledge about fossil fuel economics in the global economy... but why the hell should that stop you? IN YOUR "OWN" WORDS: What a crock of crap! OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU ARE................ Great at bitching. Great at blaming. Totally worthless at actually coming up with a real (translated: implementable) solution that might make a difference. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2012, 12:54:40 PM » |
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Found several articles on the net that were similsr to this...........
In short, the U.S. isn’t refining as much gasoline as it once was.
During Wednesday’s All Things Considered on NPR, Fadel Gheit, senior energy analyst at investment firm Oppenheimer and Co., explained that outdated and unprofitable oil refineries had been closed down in recent years.
Declining Refineries
“The supply of gasoline has been declining,” he explained. “We have 700,000 barrels of refining capacity [that were shut down] in the last three months. That is almost 5 percent of U.S. gasoline production...now offline.”
Most of the recently closed refineries -- more than energy analyst Phil Verleger has seen in his 39-year career -- have been closed down as a direct consequence of the type of oil now common on the market.
High Sulfur Crude
Traditionally, so-called “sweet” low-sulfur crude was refined into gasoline, but as supplies have dwindled the cost of sweet crude has risen, more refineries have started to process high-sulfur crude.
But high-sulfur crude, while cheaper to buy, requires more processing in order to remove the higher levels of sulfur. In turn, that means older refineries must be retrofitted with expensive equipment designed to deal with the higher levels of sulfur.
The U.S. isn’t alone in a reduction of oil refineries either. According to Verleger, a large oil refinery in Europe has also had a big impact on U.S. gasoline supplies.
Offshore Oil Rig
Exports Impact Domestic Sales
With a drop in domestic gasoline production, you may expect the U.S. is importing more oil than normal, accounting for a rise in gas prices.
But the truth is the exact opposite. Over recent years, the amount of foreign gasoline imported into the U.S. has dramatically dropped, while the export of gasoline has increased.
And with increased gasoline exports, there’s even less gasoline for domestic customers.
Driving A High Gas-Mileage Future?
At the moment, gas prices are having a negative effect on the bank balances of Americans nationwide.
But if it continues, the rise in gas prices could help the U.S. auto industry, which has focused a lot of attention in the past few years on producing high gas mileage cars, hybrids and plug-in cars.
The good news? Gas consumption has been falling since 2006, and will likely continue as more high gas mileage cars hit the market.
Supply and demand.... Oil companies demand we supply more of our cash......
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You're right... it's not only diarrhea, it's crap. Stringing together of unrelated events as though it proves a point. Lack on knowledge about fossil fuel economics in the global economy... but why the hell should that stop you?
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[quote author=Strong Eagle link=topic
You're right... it's not only diarrhea, it's crap. Stringing together of unrelated events as though it proves a point. Lack on knowledge about fossil fuel economics in the global economy... but why the hell should that stop you?
your my mentor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when i throw up i want to be just like you.................... [/quote] Next time just stick out your tongue and yell " I know you are,but what am I ? " ! You could also call him a poopy head and use the phrase " Nanner,Nanner " !  That'll teach him! |
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2012, 06:30:09 PM » |
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ok there are potential items that the president may not be responsible for, say maybe 'fast and furious'. there may be a paper trail back to the whitehouse, but proof? tenuous at best. however you can lay high gas prices at the feet of the prez and he should own it. I keep hearing him say over and over there is no solution for the high prices at the pump, that's not true and it's in recent memory how to drop prices. he says oil production is up in the country, that's true but not BECAUSE of what he's done, the drilling is up in spite of the prez. oil drilling on public land is down 30% under this prez, but long sighted governors opened drilling on PRIVATE lands and we have more then we can use. demand is down because people don't need to fire up their cars because they don't have jobs. so we have excess we can export. counter intuitive isn't it? supply is high but so is the price? that's because of the other policies the prez has done to de-value our money, need more money? just print some, the problem is each piece of currency in circulation is worth less. soon you will need to open a line of credit to fuel your valk (did I just make a political post valk related? ) you will remember when oil was $185.00 a barrel, but now it's just about 100$. inflation! they have tried to spin the inflation we are all feeling, they have said 'well if you exclude gas and food there really isn't any inflation" that works out great if you are on a hunger strike and you walk to work! everybody remembers 2008, high fuel costs drove people to snivel and whine on CNN, NBC, CBS and where is the lamenting now? on fox of course. do you remember why gas prices fell precipitously? W.W.B.D.? bush waited too long but he opened up drilling in Anwar, which of course drew a spate of lawsuits from the eco-whack-jobs. over all just the threat of drilling broke the lock speculators had on fuel prices, they speculate on oil still in the ground. prices dropped to $1.87 a gallon in January when Obama took office, we've been paying higher and higher prices ever since. I mean why not? he has a dept of energy head that has gone on record saying he wants to see gas prices hit $10 a gallon, that'll teach you wasteful people to burn hydrocarbons for fun! wow, talk about diarrhea of the mouth but I had to get it out You're right... it's not only diarrhea, it's crap. Stringing together of unrelated events as though it proves a point. Lack on knowledge about fossil fuel economics in the global economy... but why the hell should that stop you? you want to go try and find a factiod or two to counter what I've said, or do you just want to keep trying to convince me I'm an ignoramus? just the high points 1, drilling is down on public lands, controlled by the government (prez) 2, in spite of that drilling production is up 3, prices are higher then they would have been without QE1 and 2 and did they do 3? 4, inflation is costing all of us at the grocery store and the gas pump 5, when the going gets tough, Obama goes on vacation (I will grant you that I shouldn't try to post after a night of nearly zero sleep, I tend to ramble. I'm surprised I made that much sense) |
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