One ticked off woman

[Stormrider65]

My wife sent me this.  This woman makes a lot of sense, but as always, opinions vary.  I will probably get torched for this so with flame suit on......

One Pissed off Canadian Housewife
This is very good, PLEASE read.

Ever notice how some people
just seem to know how to write a letter?


This one surely does!


This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how
it also applies to the U.S.A., U.K. and Australia .


THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH

Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to
her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady...


"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was
it or was it not, started by Islamic people who
brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001
and have continually threatened to do so since?


Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered
that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from
the capitol of the USA and in a field in Pennsylvania ?


Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

Do you think I care about four U. S. Marines urinating on some dead Taliban insurgents?

And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were
claiming to be tortured by a justice system of a
nation they are fighting against in a brutal Insurgency.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle
East, start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief
of which, is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .


I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are
sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head, while Berg
screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.


I'll care when the cowardly so-called insurgents
in Afghanistan , come out and fight like men,
instead of disrespecting their own religion by
hiding in Mosques and behind women and children.


I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow
themselves up in search of Nirvana, care about the
innocent children within range of their suicide Bombs.


I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that
their freedom of Speech on stories, is more important than
the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting
at home, to hear about them when something happens.


In the meantime, when I hear a story about a
CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent
terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the
head when he is told not to move because he
might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:


I don't care. Shoot him again.


When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food, that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe, in your heart of hearts:

I don't care.


And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes
it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.'
Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it.


I don't care!!


If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to
all your E-mail Friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to
the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!


If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete
button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't
complain when more atrocities committed by radical
Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:


Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering, if
during their life on earth, they made a difference in
the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.

I have another quote that I would like to
share AND...I hope you forward All this.


One last thought for the day:


Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:


1. Jesus Christ


2. The British Soldier.


3. The Canadian Soldier.


4. The US Soldier, and


5. The Australian Soldier


One died for your soul,
the other four, for you and your children's Freedom.




YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,
AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET!

[wdvalk]

I beleive she pretty much covered it all,I totally agree

[MP]

 

MP

[Robert]

 

[junior]

find out who she is and lets make her president

[KSDragonRider]

find out who she is and lets make her president

  with that attitude the only other quality i would ask from her is to be able to balance a check book.. the clowns we have in washington now dont know how to do this simple task..

[Romeo]

I, for one, am in total and complete agreement with this woman.I wish I could meet her.

[old2soon]

I am in love with this laDY and i don't even know her. God bless you lady-a lot of us get it. RIDE SAFE.

[Bob E.]

I don't know...I think she sounds like a racist simpleton.  But that's just me.  

Even G.W.Bush encouraged tolerance of Muslims after 9-11 because even he knew that those radical terrorists who claim to be fighting under the banner of Islam do not represent mainstream Islam any more than that POS Phelps from Kansas who shows up at veterans' funerals represents Christianity.

[bscrive]

 We should make her our Prime Minister 

[Bigdog]

find out who she is and lets make her president

Totally Agree

[Gryphon Rider]

find out who she is and lets make her president

Someone will need to forge a convincing Hawaiian birth certificate.

[Tx Bohemian]

Someone will need to forge a convincing Hawaiian birth certificate.

As Larry would say:  "Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!!!"
(maybe not the last part in some circles)

[x]

find out who she is and lets make her president

Someone will need to forge a convincing Hawaiian birth certificate.

Absolutely... but they shouldn't call on Obama to do it... Sheriff Joe has got his number... need a "real" forger.

[rmrc51]

I agree 100% with everything she wrote and will pass this on to my entire e-mail list!!!!!! 

[texaninsouthfl]

I don't know...I think she sounds like a racist simpleton.  But that's just me.  

Even G.W.Bush encouraged tolerance of Muslims after 9-11 because even he knew that those radical terrorists who claim to be fighting under the banner of Islam do not represent mainstream Islam any more than that POS Phelps from Kansas who shows up at veterans' funerals represents Christianity.

Without getting into what the koran, quran or whatever says about how Muslims are to deal with infidels... let's just take a look at ACTIONS to get an idea of what "mainstream" Muslims support.

I see Muslims around the world raising a huge ruckus over a freaking cartoon, including calling for the cartoonist's beheading, yet where are the voices of your peace loving Muslims when their brethren slaughter innocent women and children? Silent.

Islam is NOT a religion of peace and while all Muslims are not terrorists, nearly all terrorists are Muslim.

Until I see "mainstream" Muslims en masse condemn violence by their adherents with fervor equal to what they show for bitching about every little perceived insult, then they get no quarter from me.
I'll leave that to the apologists like you who make excuses and imply moral equivalence for the thousands of acts of violence and terror perpetrated by Muslims by citing an example like Phelps. who, while certainly a piece of human excrement, doesn't go around blowing innocent people to shreds.

[highcountry]

Amen!  

[Bob E.]

I don't know...I think she sounds like a racist simpleton.  But that's just me.  

Even G.W.Bush encouraged tolerance of Muslims after 9-11 because even he knew that those radical terrorists who claim to be fighting under the banner of Islam do not represent mainstream Islam any more than that POS Phelps from Kansas who shows up at veterans' funerals represents Christianity.

Without getting into what the koran, quran or whatever says about how Muslims are to deal with infidels... let's just take a look at ACTIONS to get an idea of what "mainstream" Muslims support.

I see Muslims around the world raising a huge ruckus over a freaking cartoon, including calling for the cartoonist's beheading, yet where are the voices of your peace loving Muslims when their brethren slaughter innocent women and children? Silent.

Islam is NOT a religion of peace and while all Muslims are not terrorists, nearly all terrorists are Muslim.

Until I see "mainstream" Muslims en masse condemn violence by their adherents with fervor equal to what they show for bitching about every little perceived insult, then they get no quarter from me.
I'll leave that to the apologists like you who make excuses and imply moral equivalence for the thousands of acts of violence and terror perpetrated by Muslims by citing an example like Phelps. who, while certainly a piece of human excrement, doesn't go around blowing innocent people to shreds.

"...apologists like you..."   Well, just when I though we could have a civil discussion.    It is far too easy to confuse a political issue and turn it into a religious one.  Muslims in the middle east don't hate us because they are Muslim.  They hate us because we are Americans...and our gov't has certainly done some things to piss them off.  The regular people over there don't have free press or even free speech.  So they are constantly under the indoctrination of their gov't propaganda that tells them how evil America is.  When that's all you hear, you believe it...just look at the people that listen to Fox News for an example of how propaganda can influence people with misinformation. Plus, they live in fear of their gov't because any individual speaking out would be executed. But then look at what happens when those people ban together and rise up against their gov't like in Syria, Egypt, or Lybia.  It turns out, the regular people LOVE AMERICANS.  You cannot claim that a few extremists...and in relative numbers, it is really a FEW...represent the whole bunch.  Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.  Phelps is a Christian (or so he says).  I guess Christians are intolerant terrorists.

[The Anvil]

I don't know...I think she sounds like a racist simpleton.  But that's just me.  

No it's not. 

[The Anvil]

I'll leave that to the apologists like you who make excuses and imply moral equivalence for the thousands of acts of violence and terror perpetrated by Muslims by citing an example like Phelps. who, while certainly a piece of human excrement, doesn't go around blowing innocent people to shreds.

You're right, Phelp's followers don't do that.

But Tim McVeigh did. So did Eric Robert Rudolph, the Irish Republican Army did, so did the Klan... I can go on and on citing examples of western/Christian terrorism but I won't because I'm sure you get the point.

[3fan4life]

I'll leave that to the apologists like you who make excuses and imply moral equivalence for the thousands of acts of violence and terror perpetrated by Muslims by citing an example like Phelps. who, while certainly a piece of human excrement, doesn't go around blowing innocent people to shreds.

You're right, Phelp's followers don't do that.

But Tim McVeigh did. So did Eric Robert Rudolph, the Irish Republican Army did, so did the Klan... I can go on and on citing examples of western/Christian terrorism but I won't because I'm sure you get the point.

No please go on..............

While you're at it give me specific examples of organized Christian terrorist groups that have blown anyone up in the last week, month, year or even the last decade.

Citing lone wolfs or decades old groups that pose no real threat today pale greatly in comparison to what Muslim terrorists are doing in the world today.

And BTW:

The IRA claims no particular religious right or affiliation.

http://noraid.com/IRA.htm   


While Eric Rudolph has been portrayed as a Christian terrorist because he cited anti-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric as the motivation for many of his bombings. He clearly cited political motives for the Olympic park bombing.

Additionally he wrote the following from prison:

In a letter to his parents from prison, Rudolph has written, "Many good people continue to send me money and books. Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I'm in here I must be a 'sinner' in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."

Timothy McVeigh clearly cited revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge as his motive, he made no mention of a religious motivation.

While the KKK has feigned Christianity they are clearly white supremacist motivated by racism not religion.

[The Anvil]

I'll leave that to the apologists like you who make excuses and imply moral equivalence for the thousands of acts of violence and terror perpetrated by Muslims by citing an example like Phelps. who, while certainly a piece of human excrement, doesn't go around blowing innocent people to shreds.

You're right, Phelp's followers don't do that.

But Tim McVeigh did. So did Eric Robert Rudolph, the Irish Republican Army did, so did the Klan... I can go on and on citing examples of western/Christian terrorism but I won't because I'm sure you get the point.

No please go on..............

While you're at it give me specific examples of organized Christian terrorist groups that have blown anyone up in the last week, month, year or even the last decade.

Citing lone wolfs or decades old groups that pose no real threat today pale greatly in comparison to what Muslim terrorists are doing in the world today.

And BTW:

The IRA claims no particular religious right or affiliation.

http://noraid.com/IRA.htm   

While Eric Rudolph has been portrayed as a Christian terrorist because he cited anti-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric as the motivation for many of his bombings. He clearly cited political motives for the Olympic park bombing.

Additionally he wrote the following from prison:

In a letter to his parents from prison, Rudolph has written, "Many good people continue to send me money and books. Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I'm in here I must be a 'sinner' in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."

Timothy McVeigh clearly cited revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge as his motive, he made no mention of a religious motivation.

While the KKK has feigned Christianity they are clearly white supremacist motivated by racism not religion.

Oh, so now we're qualifying it with it has to be recent? 

The Muslims I know would tell you that "muslim" terrorists are not really "muslim" any more than the KKK is a Christian organization but that their true motivation is hate. Check out the KKK's website and see some of the very first lines: http://www.kkk.com/

"Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! A Message of Love NOT Hate!"

"There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "

National Director of The Knights, Pastor Thomas Robb

Sounds a looooot like the Muslim terrorist ethos to me. 


The IRA claims no religious affiliation because none will have them officially. As a person with several family members who are IRA soldiers I can tell you with certainty what they are. They are firmly Christian.

McVeigh was raised as a Christian. With those values, how could he have done such a thing???

Are you naive enough to believe that Eric Robert Rudolph's religious upbringing didn't affect influence his "political" motivations or are you just deflecting in an attempt to salvage your argument? It's not working. You could save yourself some face if you just acknowledged that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists but that they at least EXIST instead of trying to BS them away. That argument I'll at least entertain. But the one your making is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But you wanted me to go on so here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Note how many of those are NOT perpetrated by Muslims...

[3fan4life]

Oh, so now we're qualifying it with it has to be recent? 

The Muslims I know would tell you that "muslim" terrorists are not really "muslim" any more than the KKK is a Christian organization but that their true motivation is hate. Check out the KKK's website and see some of the very first lines: http://www.kkk.com/

"Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! A Message of Love NOT Hate!"

"There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "

National Director of The Knights, Pastor Thomas Robb

Sounds a looooot like the Muslim terrorist ethos to me. 


The IRA claims no religious affiliation because none will have them officially. As a person with several family members who are IRA soldiers I can tell you with certainty what they are. They are firmly Christian.

McVeigh was raised as a Christian. With those values, how could he have done such a thing???

Are you naive enough to believe that Eric Robert Rudolph's religious upbringing didn't affect influence his "political" motivations or are you just deflecting in an attempt to salvage your argument? It's not working. You could save yourself some face if you just acknowledged that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists but that they at least EXIST instead of trying to BS them away. That argument I'll at least entertain. But the one your making is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But you wanted me to go on so here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Note how many of those are NOT perpetrated by Muslims...

First off ANVIL I have no need or desire to "SAVE FACE" with you.

Most of your comebacks to others on this board are so juvenile in nature that you might as well just reply:

NANNER, NANNER, NANNER.

 

[The Anvil]

Oh, so now we're qualifying it with it has to be recent? 

The Muslims I know would tell you that "muslim" terrorists are not really "muslim" any more than the KKK is a Christian organization but that their true motivation is hate. Check out the KKK's website and see some of the very first lines: http://www.kkk.com/

"Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! A Message of Love NOT Hate!"

"There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "

National Director of The Knights, Pastor Thomas Robb

Sounds a looooot like the Muslim terrorist ethos to me. 


The IRA claims no religious affiliation because none will have them officially. As a person with several family members who are IRA soldiers I can tell you with certainty what they are. They are firmly Christian.

McVeigh was raised as a Christian. With those values, how could he have done such a thing???

Are you naive enough to believe that Eric Robert Rudolph's religious upbringing didn't affect influence his "political" motivations or are you just deflecting in an attempt to salvage your argument? It's not working. You could save yourself some face if you just acknowledged that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists but that they at least EXIST instead of trying to BS them away. That argument I'll at least entertain. But the one your making is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But you wanted me to go on so here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Note how many of those are NOT perpetrated by Muslims...

First off ANVIL I have no need or desire to "SAVE FACE" with you.

Most of your comebacks to others on this board are so juvenile in nature that you might as well just reply:

NANNER, NANNER, NANNER.

 

That's BS and you know it. When warranted I give clear and well reasoned arguments. You may not agree with them, but there's nothing juvenile in what I just wrote a little while ago.

Some stuff just demands a smartass remark though. 

[3fan4life]

Oh, so now we're qualifying it with it has to be recent?  

The Muslims I know would tell you that "muslim" terrorists are not really "muslim" any more than the KKK is a Christian organization but that their true motivation is hate. Check out the KKK's website and see some of the very first lines: http://www.kkk.com/

"Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! A Message of Love NOT Hate!"

"There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "

National Director of The Knights, Pastor Thomas Robb

Sounds a looooot like the Muslim terrorist ethos to me.  


The IRA claims no religious affiliation because none will have them officially. As a person with several family members who are IRA soldiers I can tell you with certainty what they are. They are firmly Christian.

McVeigh was raised as a Christian. With those values, how could he have done such a thing???

Are you naive enough to believe that Eric Robert Rudolph's religious upbringing didn't affect influence his "political" motivations or are you just deflecting in an attempt to salvage your argument? It's not working. You could save yourself some face if you just acknowledged that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists but that they at least EXIST instead of trying to BS them away. That argument I'll at least entertain. But the one your making is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But you wanted me to go on so here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Note how many of those are NOT perpetrated by Muslims...

First off ANVIL I have no need or desire to "SAVE FACE" with you.

Many of your comebacks to others on this board are so juvenile in nature that you might as well just reply:

NANNER, NANNER, NANNER.

I refuse to lower myself to that level of communication.



As for the current debate,

You want to point out lone wolfs like Mcveigh and Rudolph and say that because they had some Christian influence in their lives that makes them Christian terrorists.

I say that argument doesn't hold water because:

1) They didn't specifically target non Christians.

2) Neither cited their religion as the main reason for their crimes.

 
You seem to be saying that Muslim terrorist groups shouldn't reflect upon Islam, but that these few lone wolfs and the IRA should be considered to be reflective of Christianity.

Come on Anvil you ARE smarter than that.


All I can say about the KKK is that they like the WBC are in reality a HATE group that attempts to hide behind the guise of Christianity.

While someone with NO understanding of Christianity may be deceived by this, people that do their research will not.  


You say that I should:

acknowledge that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists

To a point I can go along with this.

What I cannot agree with is that anyone that commits any act of terror in the name of Christianity can do so without DEFILING the religion that they have supposedly aligned themselves to.


Oh and BTW,

You can't obviously be serious about using Wikipedia as a real source.    

[3fan4life]

Oh, so now we're qualifying it with it has to be recent? 

The Muslims I know would tell you that "muslim" terrorists are not really "muslim" any more than the KKK is a Christian organization but that their true motivation is hate. Check out the KKK's website and see some of the very first lines: http://www.kkk.com/

"Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! A Message of Love NOT Hate!"

"There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "

National Director of The Knights, Pastor Thomas Robb

Sounds a looooot like the Muslim terrorist ethos to me. 


The IRA claims no religious affiliation because none will have them officially. As a person with several family members who are IRA soldiers I can tell you with certainty what they are. They are firmly Christian.

McVeigh was raised as a Christian. With those values, how could he have done such a thing???

Are you naive enough to believe that Eric Robert Rudolph's religious upbringing didn't affect influence his "political" motivations or are you just deflecting in an attempt to salvage your argument? It's not working. You could save yourself some face if you just acknowledged that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists but that they at least EXIST instead of trying to BS them away. That argument I'll at least entertain. But the one your making is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But you wanted me to go on so here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Note how many of those are NOT perpetrated by Muslims...

First off ANVIL I have no need or desire to "SAVE FACE" with you.

Most of your comebacks to others on this board are so juvenile in nature that you might as well just reply:

NANNER, NANNER, NANNER.

 

That's BS and you know it. When warranted I give clear and well reasoned arguments. You may not agree with them, but there's nothing juvenile in what I just wrote a little while ago.

Some stuff just demands a smartass remark though. 

This post was incomplete, somehow I hit the post button while typing without realizing it.


And while the Anvil of late is MUCH better at posting without insults than the Anvil that first appeared here on this board.

He still reverts from time to time.

The first Anvil quickly found his way to my ignore list,

he was removed after a I had a well reasoned and civil PM conversation with the "New and Improved" version.

[The Anvil]

You seem to be saying that Muslim terrorist groups shouldn't reflect upon Islam, but that these few lone wolfs and the IRA should be considered to be reflective of Christianity.

No, I'm saying that neither should reflect on the religion as a whole but that either is subject to perversion by it's followers. That is all.

Come on Anvil you ARE smarter than that.

Yes I am.

All I can say about the KKK is that they like the WBC are in reality a HATE group that attempts to hide behind the guise of Christianity.

As is Hezbolla, al Qaeda, the Taliban etc.

While someone with NO understanding of Christianity may be deceived by this, people that do their research will not.   

Just as with Islam.

You say that I should:

acknowledge that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists

To a point I can go along with this.

What I cannot agree with is that anyone that commits any act of terror in the name of Christianity can do so without DEFILING the religion that they have supposedly aligned themselves to.

As with Islam.


Oh and BTW,

You can't obviously be serious about using Wikipedia as a real source.

I cite Wiki as a source because it's compiled, condensed and convenient. Look them up individually if you want. They're all pretty accurate.   

[3fan4life]

You seem to be saying that Muslim terrorist groups shouldn't reflect upon Islam, but that these few lone wolfs and the IRA should be considered to be reflective of Christianity.

No, I'm saying that neither should reflect on the religion as a whole but that either is subject to perversion by it's followers. That is all.

Come on Anvil you ARE smarter than that.

Yes I am.

All I can say about the KKK is that they like the WBC are in reality a HATE group that attempts to hide behind the guise of Christianity.

As is Hezbolla, al Qaeda, the Taliban etc.

While someone with NO understanding of Christianity may be deceived by this, people that do their research will not.   

Just as with Islam.

You say that I should:

acknowledge that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists

To a point I can go along with this.

What I cannot agree with is that anyone that commits any act of terror in the name of Christianity can do so without DEFILING the religion that they have supposedly aligned themselves to.

As with Islam.


Oh and BTW,

You can't obviously be serious about using Wikipedia as a real source.

I cite Wiki as a source because it's compiled, condensed and convenient. Look them up individually if you want. They're all pretty accurate.   

Following this same line of logic I can draw the following conclusion:

During the American Civil War the Union troops often sang The Battle Hymn of The Republic as they marched along.

Therefore the Union Army was made up of "Christian Terrorists". 

[The Anvil]

You seem to be saying that Muslim terrorist groups shouldn't reflect upon Islam, but that these few lone wolfs and the IRA should be considered to be reflective of Christianity.

No, I'm saying that neither should reflect on the religion as a whole but that either is subject to perversion by it's followers. That is all.

Come on Anvil you ARE smarter than that.

Yes I am.

All I can say about the KKK is that they like the WBC are in reality a HATE group that attempts to hide behind the guise of Christianity.

As is Hezbolla, al Qaeda, the Taliban etc.

While someone with NO understanding of Christianity may be deceived by this, people that do their research will not.   

Just as with Islam.

You say that I should:

acknowledge that terrorist Christian organizations/Christian terrorists are fewer and farther between than Muslim terrorist organizations/Muslim terrorists

To a point I can go along with this.

What I cannot agree with is that anyone that commits any act of terror in the name of Christianity can do so without DEFILING the religion that they have supposedly aligned themselves to.

As with Islam.


Oh and BTW,

You can't obviously be serious about using Wikipedia as a real source.

I cite Wiki as a source because it's compiled, condensed and convenient. Look them up individually if you want. They're all pretty accurate.   

Following this same line of logic I can draw the following conclusion:

During the American Civil War the Union troops often sang The Battle Hymn of The Republic as they marched along.

Therefore the Union Army was made up of "Christian Terrorists". 

Uh, I'm not sure where that logic comes from. The Union was in the right.

[bscrive]

As an atheist, I would like to know if there has ever been any atheist terrorists????  Or are they all religious?  I am not trying to be a butt head, I really would like to know.  Past or present is fine.

[Willow]

As an atheist, I would like to know if there has ever been any atheist terrorists????  Or are they all religious?  I am not trying to be a butt head, I really would like to know.  Past or present is fine. 

The Viet Cong come to mind, the Chinese communists especially when they were fighting for control, Stalin, and of course the slaughter in Cambodia.  The Nazi occupiers during the European conflict used terror to control and subdue opposition in the occupied countries.  I don't really see where terrorism has ever been particularly religious.  It's a tactic used in war, political conflict, often, but not always, employed by the side with a weaker military force.  There have been plenty of times that religious differences have been used to fuel a political conflict.

If you're trying to suggest that atheism may be the answer to all the conflict and persecution in the world, one has to only look back at the past hundred years to see the flaw in that logic.  The atheists of the twentieth century slaughtered more in their causes and conquests than did religiously motivated forces of the past several hundred years combined.

That's my perspective.

[The Anvil]

As an atheist, I would like to know if there has ever been any atheist terrorists????  Or are they all religious?  I am not trying to be a butt head, I really would like to know.  Past or present is fine. 

The Viet Cong come to mind, the Chinese communists especially when they were fighting for control, Stalin, and of course the slaughter in Cambodia.  The Nazi occupiers during the European conflict used terror to control and subdue opposition in the occupied countries.  I don't really see where terrorism has ever been particularly religious.  It's a tactic used in war, political conflict, often, but not always, employed by the side with a weaker military force.  There have been plenty of times that religious differences have been used to fuel a political conflict.

If you're trying to suggest that atheism may be the answer to all the conflict and persecution in the world, one has to only look back at the past hundred years to see the flaw in that logic.  The atheists of the twentieth century slaughtered more in their causes and conquests than did religiously motivated forces of the past several hundred years combined.

That's my perspective.

That depends on how you define "terrorism". The British (THE preeminent world power at the time, much like the US is now) considered the Sons of Liberty to be a terrorist organization (though I don't think the term had even been invented yet).

Is a guerrilla fighter a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Is a terrorist defined by the actions or the cause the "fight" for?

[Willow]

Is a guerrilla fighter a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Is a terrorist defined by the actions or the cause the "fight" for?

Seems to me to be a couple of pretty easy questions.

Guerrilla and terrorist aren't synonymous.  A guerrilla is a member of an irregular military force operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass, disrupt, and undermine the enemy.  A guerrilla may use terrorist tactics or not.  There are certainly examples of both.  Likewise, I wouldn't say that the terms terrorist and freedom fighter are mutually exclusive.  One can, and some do, use terrorist tactics in efforts to obtain freedom and in efforts to conquer, in causes ignoble and in causes just.

Yes, I would say that means a terrorist is thus defined, not by his cause, but by his actions or tactics.

Terrorism by dictionary definition is the use of violence, fear and intimidation for political purpose.  I would further add to the dictionary definition that many would find those tactics acceptable when directed against military targets, but villainous when targeting civilian populations.

Again, just my personal observations (with a little help from the lexicon).          

[3fan4life]

Following this same line of logic I can draw the following conclusion:

During the American Civil War the Union troops often sang The Battle Hymn of The Republic as they marched along.

Therefore the Union Army was made up of "Christian Terrorists". 

Uh, I'm not sure where that logic comes from.

I'm not saying that the conclusion is correct, actually that you would disagree that the Union Army were Christian terrorists is my point.   


It follows the same line of logic that says that McVeigh or Rudolph werre Christian terrorists because somewhere in their background they had aligned themselves with Christianity.

OR

The same logic that says that the IRA is a Christian terrorist organization because a large number of its members identify themselves as Christian.

The Union was in the right.

That would be your perspective on the subject.


Had you lived in Atlanta when Sherman and his troops burned it to the ground you might be inclined to have a different perspective.