Doc Moose
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« on: March 14, 2012, 07:24:09 AM » |
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S. 2188 is the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012". This bill is currently in the Senate after passing the House of Rep. It will enable you to carry nationwide if you have a legal CCW in your state of residence. The link below will enable you to contact your US Senator urging him to support this bill. http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx |
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Jabba
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 07:37:44 AM » |
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I am a HUGE gun toter.
I do NOT support national reciprocity.
I don't want the Feds making rules for the states. If we allow them to force states to recognize each others gun permits... they will be able to force them to restrict our rights further as well.
Doc, I love you like a brother... but National Reciprocity is a BAD idea.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 07:40:05 AM » |
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May be a good point, thanks Jabba.
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Jabba
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 07:50:46 AM » |
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Man... I like the IDEA of it as much as anyone. But our Fed is too big already, and we already allow them too much power.
If we set the precedent that they are allowed to dictate gun policy to the states... Whoo BOY look out!
The Brady bill was bad enough. We do NOT need the Feds involved in gun policy, other than the keep finding in favor of the 2nd amendment, and that it applies to individuals.
If you REALLY want to be able to carry anywhere... get your Pennsylvania, Florida and Utah, out of state permits. It's not THAT hard, from what I understand. I think Fudgie has them, or most of them anyway. He's a lot more diligent carrier than I am. I have Indiana, and stick with that.
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Doc Moose
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 07:52:40 AM » |
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Planning on getting a FL license. 2 hour handgun course is only major difference between IN and FL.
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The Anvil
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 08:01:15 AM » |
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I'm of the opinion that state's rights are overrated in this instance. The states have not proven (by any stretch) that they're better at this kind of thing than the Fed. States are just "little feds" and they have a habit of being very inconsistent when it comes to the second amendment. If you never travel beyond the borders of your own 2nd Amendment friendly state then you won't really care. I do regularly and I should not have to leave my gun home when I go to Massachusetts. I support the bill. In and of itself it does not provide for any tighter restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. It's just Federal protection for legal owners, something we should get anyway.
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MAD6Gun
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 08:11:43 AM » |
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I repect your opinion Jabba but I think Reciprocity is a Very good idea.
The second admendment is the only one that is not honored state to state. Think about it. Do you have less of a freedom of speach in one state over another. NO. Then why is it different for the Second. Not to mention drivers licenses. All states must honor all other states drivers licenses why not gun permits.......
I do wish Indiana had some kind of training to carry a gun. I have seen people at the range that cant hit the broadside of a barn let alone the target. One guy even hit the wall, the floor and the target holder......
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The Anvil
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 08:17:58 AM » |
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I repect your opinion Jabba but I think Reciprocity is a Very good idea.
The second admendment is the only one that is not honored state to state. Think about it. Do you have less of a freedom of speach in one state over another. NO. Then why is it different for the Second. Not to mention drivers licenses. All states must honor all other states drivers licenses why not gun permits.......
Exactly. I often wonder if we'd have had a constitutional amendment if horseless carriages existed in the 1700's.
I do wish Indiana had some kind of training to carry a gun. I have seen people at the range that cant hit the broadside of a barn let alone the target. One guy even hit the wall, the floor and the target holder......
That's why the local indoor public range now has a full-time RSO. Of course they also rent full-auto weapons...
Fact is, there's really nothing to stop the Fed from enacting more stringent regs if things go badly in the SC regardless of whether or not this passes. This one is in our favor for a change. I understand the trepidation but sometimes something is what it is.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 08:32:34 AM » |
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JABBA :: is right if you give the feds the power to help you today they will stab you withe the same power tomorrow.
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Jabba
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 03:42:26 AM » |
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I repect your opinion Jabba but I think Reciprocity is a Very good idea.
The second admendment is the only one that is not honored state to state. Think about it. Do you have less of a freedom of speach in one state over another. NO. Then why is it different for the Second. Not to mention drivers licenses. All states must honor all other states drivers licenses why not gun permits.......
I do wish Indiana had some kind of training to carry a gun. I have seen people at the range that cant hit the broadside of a barn let alone the target. One guy even hit the wall, the floor and the target holder......
Man... I LOVE the concept of national reciprocity. But I don't TRUST 'em. If I trust them today to force Massachusetts, or Illinois to allow me to carry there, I don't trust them not to FORCE Indiana into tougher regulations, or bans in the future. Politics and law... is an incremental game. We're always jockying for position and precedent. Again I reiterate that I think it's a GREAT idea. but there are underlying pitfalls that scare the bejesus outta me. Jabba |
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 04:49:57 AM » |
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This is probably the only thing I've ever disagreed with Jabba on. And I just barely disagree. The danger of the fed scares me less than the danger of traveling though a state I thought honored my permit and finding out as they slam the cell door that the reciprocity agreement had changed since I looked it up.
I too travel between the states while packing and crossing an unmarked state line or misunderstanding another states reciprocity is a constant worry. With this and hopefully a carry law in Illinois soon, travel between the states would be simpler and safer.
That being said, I well understand Jabba's concern and share it. Just to a lesser degree.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 05:16:14 AM » |
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The NRA is for this bill. I'm a Life member. It is a very good idea and is based solidly on the 2nd amendment .
However, like Jabba, I do NOT trust the present Congress and POTUS. This could easily become another foot in the door and the present administration has proven that our Constitution seems like merely a guideline to them and, at worse, a hindrance to their agenda. MHO.
I have mixed emotions about this bill too.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 05:33:55 AM » |
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Unfortunately, every law has to be written to prevent it's being used in the worst possible way instead of with the hope that it will only be used in the best possible way.
And we see so many instances of this everyday in the news. This one looks to be well written and as Solo1 states, the NRA is behind it and they have some very good legal minds at their disposal. But in-spite of that, there is a degree of danger.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2012, 06:42:44 AM » |
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Jabba and MAD make all good points. Lucky for us our Ind LTCH is welcomed in alot of States. I'm at a toss up.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 06:44:12 AM » |
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If you REALLY want to be able to carry anywhere... get your Pennsylvania, Florida and Utah, out of state permits. It's not THAT hard, from what I understand. I think Fudgie has them, or most of them anyway. He's a lot more diligent carrier than I am. I have Indiana, and stick with that.
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2012, 06:47:31 AM » |
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Planning on getting a FL license. 2 hour handgun course is only major difference between IN and FL.
Check on the Utah first. My Utah offered the FL one for $20. I didnt get it but should have. I was outta cash! It would have gave me Kansas. But who goes to Kansas anyway!  You could get 2 classes all at once. $120 for the Utah, with pictures and print cards. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2012, 07:00:02 AM » |
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Jabba and MAD make all good points. Lucky for us our Ind LTCH is welcomed in alot of States. I'm at a toss up.
Yeah, me too. I followed the link and contacted our senators and asked them to support the bill but with some trepidation. In the past on firearms related bills, Lugar's response to me has basically been "although I support the 2'nd Amendment I'm not going to in this particular instance". Seems like that was pretty well what he told me concerning Clinton's semi-auto ban. I wonder how he's going to handle this when for once his reelection is in doubt? |
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2012, 08:32:55 AM » |
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We all know that Lugar doesn't represent our interest anymore, if he ever did. His mind is on the BIG PICTURE whatever that is.
He has always been antigun, even when he was mayor of Indy. He voted for both of Obama's appointees to the Supreme Court.
Yeah, he might be slightly scared since he's up for re election. I've been getting a lot of emails from him now.
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