I wanted to add to my previous post about the Fed Govt. Can't find it.

[..]

Every public pool has to have a disbaled person lift.

http://www.ahla.com/content.aspx?id=34158

[The Anvil]

F**king cripples wanting to be able to use pools is gonna bankrupt this country.

[Skinhead]

F**king cripples wanting to be able to use pools is gonna bankrupt this country.

You crack me up.

[Jess from VA]

Eric Holder (DOJ) keeping the US safe from sanity.... again.

[..]

F**king cripples wanting to be able to use pools is gonna bankrupt this country.

Obfuscate and spin as much as you wish to.

It has nothing to do with a persons ability and EVERYTHING to do with the Federal Government dictating how we should lead our lives and theIR want to impose more and more rules upon the population of the USA.

[Serk]

What's really sad is how many kids won't get to swim because of the public swimming pools that'll close down instead of meet these outrageous demands...

[..]

Wait until all subdivision/countryclub etc pools are forced to comply.

[The Anvil]

What's really sad is how many kids won't get to swim because of the public swimming pools that'll close down instead of meet these outrageous demands...

Actually that's not what they mean by "public" pools.

DOJ has determined that lifts need to be available at each pool at all times when a pool is open to the public. In addition, only “fixed” lifts are acceptable unless a hotel can demonstrate that installing such a lift is not readily achievable.

Basically it includes privately owned pools open to the public.

[Jess from VA]

It has nothing to do with a persons ability and EVERYTHING to do with the Federal Government dictating how we should lead our lives and their want to impose more and more rules upon the population of the USA.

This is an easy example of most everything coming out of the left these days.  In a more perfect world with unlimited wealth and with a seemingly admirable goal of fairness to all this does not seem so terrible an idea.  But we end up with an order originating from an aparachnic-bureaucrat (DOJ) interpretation of disability law (I doubt swimming pools are actually discussed, thou disability access to public facilities is discussed) with threats of punitive action for nonbelievers/noncompliance at a time the whole country is reeling from economic hardship.  So they force municipalities (and others) to buy an expensive piece of recreational equipment, and they either raise our taxes to pay for it, or fire one police officer to fund the purchase price.  Where does it end?  Our DOJ could better spend its time enforcing the existing criminal laws (esp complex white collar crime) and helping and supporting the various State Justice Departments, like in immigration enforcement (not filing lawsuits against them).

Such a ruling, if at all, should only have resulted from civil litigation, brought by disabled against a municipality or public pool, in Federal court (federal law), thru any appeals, as an interpretation of existing law.  Not just a unilateral order out of a DOJ bureaucrat.  

    

[The Anvil]

It has nothing to do with a persons ability and EVERYTHING to do with the Federal Government dictating how we should lead our lives and their want to impose more and more rules upon the population of the USA.

This is an easy example of most everything coming out of the left these days.  In a more perfect world with unlimited wealth and with a seemingly admirable goal of fairness to all this does not seem so terrible an idea.  But we end up with an order originating from an aparachnic-bureaucrat (DOJ) interpretation of disability law (I doubt swimming pools are actually discussed, thou disability access to public facilities is discussed) with threats of punitive action for nonbelievers/noncompliance at a time the whole country is reeling from economic hardship.  So they force municipalities (and others) to buy an expensive piece of recreational equipment, and they either raise our taxes to pay for it, or fire one police officer to find the purchase price.  Where does it end?  Our DOJ could better spend its time enforcing the existing criminal laws (esp complex white collar crime) and helping and supporting the various State Justice Departments, like in immigration enforcement (not filing lawsuits against them).

Such a ruling, if at all, should only have resulted from civil litigation, brought by disabled against a municipality or public pool, in Federal court (federal law), thru any appeals, as an interpretation of existing law.  Not just a unilateral order out of a DOJ bureaucrat. 

     

Damn, a non-reactionary, well thought out response to ridiculosity (don't bother, I made it up). 

[Cliff]

It has nothing to do with a persons ability and EVERYTHING to do with the Federal Government dictating how we should lead our lives and their want to impose more and more rules upon the population of the USA.

This is an easy example of most everything coming out of the left these days.  In a more perfect world with unlimited wealth and with a seemingly admirable goal of fairness to all this does not seem so terrible an idea.  But we end up with an order originating from an aparachnic-bureaucrat (DOJ) interpretation of disability law (I doubt swimming pools are actually discussed, thou disability access to public facilities is discussed) with threats of punitive action for nonbelievers/noncompliance at a time the whole country is reeling from economic hardship.  So they force municipalities (and others) to buy an expensive piece of recreational equipment, and they either raise our taxes to pay for it, or fire one police officer to find the purchase price.  Where does it end?  Our DOJ could better spend its time enforcing the existing criminal laws (esp complex white collar crime) and helping and supporting the various State Justice Departments, like in immigration enforcement (not filing lawsuits against them).

Such a ruling, if at all, should only have resulted from civil litigation, brought by disabled against a municipality or public pool, in Federal court (federal law), thru any appeals, as an interpretation of existing law.  Not just a unilateral order out of a DOJ bureaucrat.  [/size] [/size]

     

Damn, a non-reactionary, well thought out response to ridiculosity (don't bother, I made it up). 

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ridiculosity

[Jess from VA]

Generally, there must be "reasonable accommodation" made for persons with disabilities, balanced against "undue hardship" on the facility/agency required to make such accommodation.

Restaurants, hotels, theaters, shopping centers and malls, retail stores, museums, libraries, parks, private schools, day care centers, and other similar places of public accommodation may not discriminate on the basis of disability. 28 CFR 36.201.

Physical barriers in existing places of public accommodation must be removed if readily achievable (i.e., easily accomplishable and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense). If not, alternative methods of providing services must be offered, if those methods are readily achievable.  28 CFR 36.304 and 36.305.

Alterations to existing places of public accommodation and commercial facilities must be done in an accessible manner. When alterations affect usability of or access to "primary function" areas of a facility, an accessible path of travel must be provided to the altered areas and the rest rooms, telephones, and drinking fountains serving the altered areas must also be accessible, to the extent that the cost of making these features accessible does not exceed 20% of the cost of the planned alterations. 28 CFR 36.402 and 36.403.

Enforcing Agencies: Department of Justice (DOJ), Department of Transportation (DOT)

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

It has nothing to do with a persons ability and EVERYTHING to do with the Federal Government dictating how we should lead our lives and their want to impose more and more rules upon the population of the USA.

This is an easy example of most everything coming out of the left these days.  In a more perfect world with unlimited wealth and with a seemingly admirable goal of fairness to all this does not seem so terrible an idea.  But we end up with an order originating from an aparachnic-bureaucrat (DOJ) interpretation of disability law (I doubt swimming pools are actually discussed, thou disability access to public facilities is discussed) with threats of punitive action for nonbelievers/noncompliance at a time the whole country is reeling from economic hardship.  So they force municipalities (and others) to buy an expensive piece of recreational equipment, and they either raise our taxes to pay for it, or fire one police officer to fund the purchase price.  Where does it end?  Our DOJ could better spend its time enforcing the existing criminal laws (esp complex white collar crime) and helping and supporting the various State Justice Departments, like in immigration enforcement (not filing lawsuits against them).

Such a ruling, if at all, should only have resulted from civil litigation, brought by disabled against a municipality or public pool, in Federal court (federal law), thru any appeals, as an interpretation of existing law.  Not just a unilateral order out of a DOJ bureaucrat.  

    

Well said.

[sugerbear]

when my son goes to pay his water bill  (VERY small town), he pulls up in front of city hall on his 4 wheeler, the lady comes out takes the payment. done without any government interference.

[The Anvil]

It has nothing to do with a persons ability and EVERYTHING to do with the Federal Government dictating how we should lead our lives and their want to impose more and more rules upon the population of the USA.

This is an easy example of most everything coming out of the left these days.  In a more perfect world with unlimited wealth and with a seemingly admirable goal of fairness to all this does not seem so terrible an idea.  But we end up with an order originating from an aparachnic-bureaucrat (DOJ) interpretation of disability law (I doubt swimming pools are actually discussed, thou disability access to public facilities is discussed) with threats of punitive action for nonbelievers/noncompliance at a time the whole country is reeling from economic hardship.  So they force municipalities (and others) to buy an expensive piece of recreational equipment, and they either raise our taxes to pay for it, or fire one police officer to find the purchase price.  Where does it end?  Our DOJ could better spend its time enforcing the existing criminal laws (esp complex white collar crime) and helping and supporting the various State Justice Departments, like in immigration enforcement (not filing lawsuits against them).

Such a ruling, if at all, should only have resulted from civil litigation, brought by disabled against a municipality or public pool, in Federal court (federal law), thru any appeals, as an interpretation of existing law.  Not just a unilateral order out of a DOJ bureaucrat.  [/size] [/size]

    

Damn, a non-reactionary, well thought out response to ridiculosity (don't bother, I made it up).  

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ridiculosity

No crap? You learn something new every day.  

As far as the rest goes, is it unreasonable to require EVERY pool to have a lift? Yeah it is. But in terms of what kind of government overreaching gets me upset, seeing that people with physical disabilities can use pools is low on my list.