Tim Tebow Gone From Denver.

[Reb]

This was on Facebook this morning, Thought it was entertaining.

[Valkahuna]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God. 

I'd rather have a nice young man like Tim Tebow to be a role model to our youngsters than most of the morally bereft trash that gets way overpaid to play professional sports. 

[BIG--T]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God. 

I'd rather have a nice young man like Tim Tebow to be a role model to our youngsters than most of the morally bereft trash that gets way overpaid to play professional sports. 

I totally agree! I used to like the Broncos when Elway was playing but nor so much now.  I can understand them wanting Payton but I also think it was dirty the way they did Tebow. Look what he did for Denver. I won't be a bit surprised if Payton doesn't  reinjure  himself and it comes back to bite Denver in the butt! That would serve them right!  IMO

[The Anvil]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God. 

That's a crock. Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback. The only reason he's as popular as he is is because of the BOOST he gets from the media due to his faith. For every Tebow detractor in the media there are ten people riding his jock and making excuses for his horrible performances when the fact of the matter is that he SUCKS. Is he a very nice young man and a solid role model? By all accounts yes, he is. He may even make a good QB some day with the right training, coaching and development program. But if he weren't wearing his faith on his sleeve he'd be hot on Michael Bishop's heels into obscurity.

So spare me the Tebow sob stories. He gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a child's game and I'm supposed to feel bad for him because a few people have the audacity to actually pay attention to his actual on-field performance???

[BIG--T]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God.  

That's a crock. Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback. The only reason he's as popular as he is is because of the BOOST he gets from the media due to his faith. For every Tebow detractor in the media there are ten people riding his jock and making excuses for his horrible performances when the fact of the matter is that he SUCKS. Is he a very nice young man and a solid role model? By all accounts yes, he is. He may even make a good QB some day with the right training, coaching and development program. But if he weren't wearing his faith on his sleeve he'd be hot on Michael Bishop's heels into obscurity.

So spare me the Tebow sob stories. He gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a child's game and I'm supposed to feel bad for him because a few people have the audacity to actually pay attention to his actual on-field performance???

I see him as a very good player (Heisman trophy winner) and his faith has him under more pressure than anyone in the NFL  because of it! Denver went from 1-4 to 6-1, yes he turned them around even beat my Steelers on a 80 TD pass!!- 29-23! No matter how much you hate him and his faith- just keep your eyes on that young man! I'm curious to see what he does for the Jets.

OH, Talking about money, what ya think about Manning and 98 MILLION!!! 

[Bonzo]

Take him back PLEASE! Just a distraction from the game.

[BIG--T]

Take him back PLEASE! Just a distraction from the game.

Ha ha, Just keep your eyes on him, he's really got a lot to prove now!

[The Anvil]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God.  

That's a crock. Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback. The only reason he's as popular as he is is because of the BOOST he gets from the media due to his faith. For every Tebow detractor in the media there are ten people riding his jock and making excuses for his horrible performances when the fact of the matter is that he SUCKS. Is he a very nice young man and a solid role model? By all accounts yes, he is. He may even make a good QB some day with the right training, coaching and development program. But if he weren't wearing his faith on his sleeve he'd be hot on Michael Bishop's heels into obscurity.

So spare me the Tebow sob stories. He gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a child's game and I'm supposed to feel bad for him because a few people have the audacity to actually pay attention to his actual on-field performance???

I see him as a very good player (Heisman trophy winner) and his faith has him under more pressure than anyone in the NFL  because of it! Denver went from 1-4 to 6-1, yes he turned them around even beat my Steelers on a 80 TD pass!!- 29-23! No matter how much you hate him and his faith- just keep your eyes on that young man! I'm curious to see what he does for the Jets.

I've said this numerous times; I don't hate him OR his faith. But you see that's exactly the problem in a nutshell. If you question him as a player then many people (yourself included it would seem) take it as a personal attack. I actually LIKE Tim Tebow as a person and I admire his faith, we even share it to some degree. What aggravates me is the way the media has elevated his status as a player because of it. Don't make me put up his numbers. He was a terrible QB last year and he flat out VULTURED his way into a bunch of late wins (a few on points scored by the kicker) because the Denver defense kept them in games.

That said, I still see potential in the kid. There was talk (that I never took very seriously) that he might end up backing up Tom Brady. Would I have wanted that? Absolutely. I think that in an environment like New England studying under Tom Brady and the guy who drafted him in the first round (Josh McDaniel) he could really develop and become a decent player.

As far as what he's gonna do for the Jets, well I think it's one of the worst places he could go for his development. That locker room is a crap-show and I think Tebow's head may explode the first time Rex Ryan says "let's go get a really cursed snack". The kid is going to have to harden up if he expects to do anything for the Jets otherwise he'll be eaten alive. He might have had a pretty good shot staying with Denver too behind Manning and taking some time to get used to the system. But word is that Elway never really wanted him and Manning (a more manipulative and shady character than he gets credit for) didn't want to have the fans breathing Tebow down his neck. That sealed his fate in Denver.

I flat out reject the idea the Tebaw's faith puts him under any more pressure than any other quarterback out there. Please explain the mechanics of that.

OH, Talking about money, what ya think about Manning and 98 MILLION!!! 

Ridiculous. One bad sack and it's potentially over. Even more important than the money (as I understand the Broncos have a measure of financial protection in the contract) is the fact that IF that happens early and Denver doesn't win the fans out there will scream bloody murder. It's one thing to give a big contract to a proven player with an X factor like an injury. It's another to do that and trade away a young player who at least had future potential at that position. They have put all of the eggs in the Manning basket and let's face it; Manning was already on the downside of his career. QB's don't typically improve as players after the age of 36 even when healthy. Now throw in a major injury and recovery... it could be disastrous.

Oh and Peyton (unlike his less flashy but more reliable brother) has always had a bad habit of peeing down his own leg in big moments. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

[BIG--T]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God.  

That's a crock. Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback. The only reason he's as popular as he is is because of the BOOST he gets from the media due to his faith. For every Tebow detractor in the media there are ten people riding his jock and making excuses for his horrible performances when the fact of the matter is that he SUCKS. Is he a very nice young man and a solid role model? By all accounts yes, he is. He may even make a good QB some day with the right training, coaching and development program. But if he weren't wearing his faith on his sleeve he'd be hot on Michael Bishop's heels into obscurity.

So spare me the Tebow sob stories. He gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a child's game and I'm supposed to feel bad for him because a few people have the audacity to actually pay attention to his actual on-field performance???

I see him as a very good player (Heisman trophy winner) and his faith has him under more pressure than anyone in the NFL  because of it! Denver went from 1-4 to 6-1, yes he turned them around even beat my Steelers on a 80 TD pass!!- 29-23! No matter how much you hate him and his faith- just keep your eyes on that young man! I'm curious to see what he does for the Jets.

I've said this numerous times; I don't hate him OR his faith. But you see that's exactly the problem in a nutshell. If you question him as a player then many people (yourself included it would seem) take it as a personal attack. I actually LIKE Tim Tebow as a person and I admire his faith, we even share it to some degree. What aggravates me is the way the media has elevated his status as a player because of it. Don't make me put up his numbers. He was a terrible QB last year and he flat out VULTURED his way into a bunch of late wins (a few on points scored by the kicker) because the Denver defense kept them in games.

That said, I still see potential in the kid. There was talk (that I never took very seriously) that he might end up backing up Tom Brady. Would I have wanted that? Absolutely. I think that in an environment like New England studying under Tom Brady and the guy who drafted him in the first round (Josh McDaniel) he could really develop and become a decent player.

As far as what he's gonna do for the Jets, well I think it's one of the worst places he could go for his development. That locker room is a crap-show and I think Tebow's head may explode the first time Rex Ryan says "let's go get a really cursed snack". The kid is going to have to harden up if he expects to do anything for the Jets otherwise he'll be eaten alive. He might have had a pretty good shot staying with Denver too behind Manning and taking some time to get used to the system. But word is that Elway never really wanted him and Manning (a more manipulative and shady character than he gets credit for) didn't want to have the fans breathing Tebow down his neck. That sealed his fate in Denver.

I flat out reject the idea the Tebaw's faith puts him under any more pressure than any other quarterback out there. Please explain the mechanics of that.

OH, Talking about money, what ya think about Manning and 98 MILLION!!! 

Ridiculous. One bad sack and it's potentially over. Even more important than the money (as I understand the Broncos have a measure of financial protection in the contract) is the fact that IF that happens early and Denver doesn't win the fans out there will scream bloody murder. It's one thing to give a big contract to a proven player with an X factor like an injury. It's another to do that and trade away a young player who at least had future potential at that position. They have put all of the eggs in the Manning basket and let's face it; Manning was already on the downside of his career. QB's don't typically improve as players after the age of 36 even when healthy. Now throw in a major injury and recovery... it could be disastrous.

Oh and Peyton (unlike his less flashy but more reliable brother) has always had a bad habit of peeing down his own leg in big moments. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

Well I agree with you on more points than I thought I would. As I stated in the beginning of my post, it wasn't right to trade him for Payton. That young player does have a good future in store and bc Elway was so good from 36-38 he thinks Payton will be too. First time he gets hurt it's all over .

Yes his faith puts more pressure on him. As you said "the media has elevated his status" so he has to try harder than anybody now! Ppl that never watched a football game in their life are now tuning in to Tebowing all over the world!!  Tell me the boy ain't got pressure on him!!

[The Anvil]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God.  

That's a crock. Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback. The only reason he's as popular as he is is because of the BOOST he gets from the media due to his faith. For every Tebow detractor in the media there are ten people riding his jock and making excuses for his horrible performances when the fact of the matter is that he SUCKS. Is he a very nice young man and a solid role model? By all accounts yes, he is. He may even make a good QB some day with the right training, coaching and development program. But if he weren't wearing his faith on his sleeve he'd be hot on Michael Bishop's heels into obscurity.

So spare me the Tebow sob stories. He gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a child's game and I'm supposed to feel bad for him because a few people have the audacity to actually pay attention to his actual on-field performance???

I see him as a very good player (Heisman trophy winner) and his faith has him under more pressure than anyone in the NFL  because of it! Denver went from 1-4 to 6-1, yes he turned them around even beat my Steelers on a 80 TD pass!!- 29-23! No matter how much you hate him and his faith- just keep your eyes on that young man! I'm curious to see what he does for the Jets.

I've said this numerous times; I don't hate him OR his faith. But you see that's exactly the problem in a nutshell. If you question him as a player then many people (yourself included it would seem) take it as a personal attack. I actually LIKE Tim Tebow as a person and I admire his faith, we even share it to some degree. What aggravates me is the way the media has elevated his status as a player because of it. Don't make me put up his numbers. He was a terrible QB last year and he flat out VULTURED his way into a bunch of late wins (a few on points scored by the kicker) because the Denver defense kept them in games.

That said, I still see potential in the kid. There was talk (that I never took very seriously) that he might end up backing up Tom Brady. Would I have wanted that? Absolutely. I think that in an environment like New England studying under Tom Brady and the guy who drafted him in the first round (Josh McDaniel) he could really develop and become a decent player.

As far as what he's gonna do for the Jets, well I think it's one of the worst places he could go for his development. That locker room is a crap-show and I think Tebow's head may explode the first time Rex Ryan says "let's go get a really cursed snack". The kid is going to have to harden up if he expects to do anything for the Jets otherwise he'll be eaten alive. He might have had a pretty good shot staying with Denver too behind Manning and taking some time to get used to the system. But word is that Elway never really wanted him and Manning (a more manipulative and shady character than he gets credit for) didn't want to have the fans breathing Tebow down his neck. That sealed his fate in Denver.

I flat out reject the idea the Tebaw's faith puts him under any more pressure than any other quarterback out there. Please explain the mechanics of that.

OH, Talking about money, what ya think about Manning and 98 MILLION!!! 

Ridiculous. One bad sack and it's potentially over. Even more important than the money (as I understand the Broncos have a measure of financial protection in the contract) is the fact that IF that happens early and Denver doesn't win the fans out there will scream bloody murder. It's one thing to give a big contract to a proven player with an X factor like an injury. It's another to do that and trade away a young player who at least had future potential at that position. They have put all of the eggs in the Manning basket and let's face it; Manning was already on the downside of his career. QB's don't typically improve as players after the age of 36 even when healthy. Now throw in a major injury and recovery... it could be disastrous.

Oh and Peyton (unlike his less flashy but more reliable brother) has always had a bad habit of peeing down his own leg in big moments. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

Well I agree with you on more points than I thought I would. As I stated in the beginning of my post, it wasn't right to trade him for Payton. That young player does have a good future in store and bc Elway was so good from 36-38 he thinks Payton will be too. First time he gets hurt it's all over .

Yes his faith puts more pressure on him. As you said "the media has elevated his status" so he has to try harder than anybody now! Ppl that never watched a football game in their life are now tuning in to Tebowing all over the world!!  Tell me the boy ain't got pressure on him!!

Well I think there's a difference between Tebow the flesh and blood man and the media created idol (or "avatar" if you will) of Tim Tebow. I don't think the flesh and blood man feels that pressure because his faith insulates him from it. The guy he's going to be backing up? THAT guy feels pressure and shows it.

But one of the most likable things about Tebow is that he seems to get the enjoyment out of the game that a child does because I think he sees football as his life's gravy, not his life's work. I think a man who is pretending his faith feels the pressure more acutely where the man who is genuine about it (and I believe Tebow is) can largely let it roll off his back.

And I didn't say you can't be an effective QB after 36. I just mean that your best days in terms of flat out physical performance are behind you. Remember, Elway didn't win any Superbowls until he had a genuine running game to take some of the load off. QB's are similar to MLB pitchers. Pitchers can still be effective as they get into their late 30's but they have to add to their repertoire of pitches and become more guileful rather than just knocking guys knocking guys over with heat (rare exceptions like Nolan Ryan not withstanding). QB's need to become better decision makers, get rid of the ball quicker, and be more willing to lean on other aspects of the game (like the run).

[BIG--T]

I'm actually very tired of how the Media plays with and Portrays this wonderful young man and his belief in God.  

That's a crock. Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback. The only reason he's as popular as he is is because of the BOOST he gets from the media due to his faith. For every Tebow detractor in the media there are ten people riding his jock and making excuses for his horrible performances when the fact of the matter is that he SUCKS. Is he a very nice young man and a solid role model? By all accounts yes, he is. He may even make a good QB some day with the right training, coaching and development program. But if he weren't wearing his faith on his sleeve he'd be hot on Michael Bishop's heels into obscurity.

So spare me the Tebow sob stories. He gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a child's game and I'm supposed to feel bad for him because a few people have the audacity to actually pay attention to his actual on-field performance???

I see him as a very good player (Heisman trophy winner) and his faith has him under more pressure than anyone in the NFL  because of it! Denver went from 1-4 to 6-1, yes he turned them around even beat my Steelers on a 80 TD pass!!- 29-23! No matter how much you hate him and his faith- just keep your eyes on that young man! I'm curious to see what he does for the Jets.

I've said this numerous times; I don't hate him OR his faith. But you see that's exactly the problem in a nutshell. If you question him as a player then many people (yourself included it would seem) take it as a personal attack. I actually LIKE Tim Tebow as a person and I admire his faith, we even share it to some degree. What aggravates me is the way the media has elevated his status as a player because of it. Don't make me put up his numbers. He was a terrible QB last year and he flat out VULTURED his way into a bunch of late wins (a few on points scored by the kicker) because the Denver defense kept them in games.

That said, I still see potential in the kid. There was talk (that I never took very seriously) that he might end up backing up Tom Brady. Would I have wanted that? Absolutely. I think that in an environment like New England studying under Tom Brady and the guy who drafted him in the first round (Josh McDaniel) he could really develop and become a decent player.

As far as what he's gonna do for the Jets, well I think it's one of the worst places he could go for his development. That locker room is a crap-show and I think Tebow's head may explode the first time Rex Ryan says "let's go get a really cursed snack". The kid is going to have to harden up if he expects to do anything for the Jets otherwise he'll be eaten alive. He might have had a pretty good shot staying with Denver too behind Manning and taking some time to get used to the system. But word is that Elway never really wanted him and Manning (a more manipulative and shady character than he gets credit for) didn't want to have the fans breathing Tebow down his neck. That sealed his fate in Denver.

I flat out reject the idea the Tebaw's faith puts him under any more pressure than any other quarterback out there. Please explain the mechanics of that.

OH, Talking about money, what ya think about Manning and 98 MILLION!!! 

Ridiculous. One bad sack and it's potentially over. Even more important than the money (as I understand the Broncos have a measure of financial protection in the contract) is the fact that IF that happens early and Denver doesn't win the fans out there will scream bloody murder. It's one thing to give a big contract to a proven player with an X factor like an injury. It's another to do that and trade away a young player who at least had future potential at that position. They have put all of the eggs in the Manning basket and let's face it; Manning was already on the downside of his career. QB's don't typically improve as players after the age of 36 even when healthy. Now throw in a major injury and recovery... it could be disastrous.

Oh and Peyton (unlike his less flashy but more reliable brother) has always had a bad habit of peeing down his own leg in big moments. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

Well I agree with you on more points than I thought I would. As I stated in the beginning of my post, it wasn't right to trade him for Payton. That young player does have a good future in store and bc Elway was so good from 36-38 he thinks Payton will be too. First time he gets hurt it's all over .

Yes his faith puts more pressure on him. As you said "the media has elevated his status" so he has to try harder than anybody now! Ppl that never watched a football game in their life are now tuning in to Tebowing all over the world!!  Tell me the boy ain't got pressure on him!!

Well I think there's a difference between Tebow the flesh and blood man and the media created idol (or "avatar" if you will) of Tim Tebow. I don't think the flesh and blood man feels that pressure because his faith insulates him from it. The guy he's going to be backing up? THAT guy feels pressure and shows it.

But one of the most likable things about Tebow is that he seems to get the enjoyment out of the game that a child does because I think he sees football as his life's gravy, not his life's work. I think a man who is pretending his faith feels the pressure more acutely where the man who is genuine about it (and I believe Tebow is) can largely let it roll off his back.

And I didn't say you can't be an effective QB after 36. I just mean that your best days in terms of flat out physical performance are behind you. Remember, Elway didn't win any Superbowls until he had a genuine running game to take some of the load off. QB's are similar to MLB pitchers. Pitchers can still be effective as they get into their late 30's but they have to add to their repertoire of pitches and become more guileful rather than just knocking guys knocking guys over with heat (rare exceptions like Nolan Ryan not withstanding). QB's need to become better decision makers, get rid of the ball quicker, and be more willing to lean on other aspects of the game (like the run).

Yes about 35 is about it for a QB, but there are always some exceptions. If memory serves me, Elway won back to back superbowls around 36-38 or so.

On his faith, yes it helps him a lot but he still feels the pressure to a certain extent. Your words penned it perfectly- he is just "flesh and blood"!

[Reb]

I agree with Anvil. Although Tebow was a great college quarterback, he has an outstanding ability to run options and quarterback keepers. But that stuff usually only works in college football. He might not be a great QB in the NFL.  I would have to argue that he has the heart of a true leader for a young QB. His skills will get better. I really do think he will do good things for the Jets. I just hope Timmy can gain some better knowledge at the professional level. He has the heart, leadership, and determination, but just lacks the skills.

[The Anvil]

I agree with Anvil. Although Tebow was a great college quarterback, he has an outstanding ability to run options and quarterback keepers. But that stuff usually only works in college football. He might not be a great QB in the NFL.  I would have to argue that he has the heart of a true leader for a young QB. His skills will get better. I really do think he will do good things for the Jets. I just hope Timmy can gain some better knowledge at the professional level. He has the heart, leadership, and determination, but just lacks the skills.

I think at minimum he can be a serviceable NFL QB, maybe even very good in the right system.

[fon1961]

Manning was already on the downside of his career. QB's don't typically improve as players after the age of 36 even when healthy.

i understand what you're saying but you might be surprised to know that manning’s total passing yardage has increased each of the last three years that he's played.  maybe there’ll be a step function this year, we’ll see I guess?

btw, i'm a tebow and manning fan, i would like to see the both of them to continue to be successful.

[Chillerman]

Ridiculous. One bad sack and it's potentially over

I don't understand this thinking at all. Anyone who understands disk fusion knows that Peyton is at no greater risk of injuring his neck than anyone else. The fusion makes the joint stronger. I've had a fusion done in my lower back and know this to be true. Besides, the Broncos are free and clear of the contract if Peyton doesn't pass a physical before each season. It's a very team friendly deal.

[The Anvil]

Ridiculous. One bad sack and it's potentially over

I don't understand this thinking at all. Anyone who understands disk fusion knows that Peyton is at no greater risk of injuring his neck than anyone else. The fusion makes the joint stronger. I've had a fusion done in my lower back and know this to be true. Besides, the Broncos are free and clear of the contract if Peyton doesn't pass a physical before each season. It's a very team friendly deal.

Sort of. The joint area that's fused is stronger but that makes damage in other areas even more likely in the event of a hit. Limiting the flexibility in an area like that is bad. So yes, he is at higher than average risk of having further injury, just not to the same area. That's how it was explained to me (because I've contemplated having the same surgery).

But it remains to be seen if he even fully recovers from the original injury. He may not regain all of his arm strength because he was having nerve issues.

[fon1961]

....he was having nerve issues

i agree, if his nerves continue to successfully regenerate i think that he's definitely got some good years left in him, time will tell.

[F6CTrider]

I agree with Anvil. Although Tebow was a great college quarterback, he has an outstanding ability to run options and quarterback keepers. But that stuff usually only works in college football. He might not be a great QB in the NFL.  I would have to argue that he has the heart of a true leader for a young QB. His skills will get better. I really do think he will do good things for the Jets. I just hope Timmy can gain some better knowledge at the professional level. He has the heart, leadership, and determination, but just lacks the skills.

I think at minimum he can be a serviceable NFL QB, maybe even very good in the right system.

While I am not a "Tebow fanatic", I do find him a refreshing positive personality in the otherwise negative, media driven, sports scene.
On his skills and ability to be an effective NFL QB>>>>>>A LOT of work is still needed.  Remember, only two teams were really interested and neither was interested in him as a starter. 
I see him as a unfortunate bit of collateral damage from the lunacy of Josh McStake.  McDaniels made SO many blunders, it is hard to calculate how far he set the Broncos back, not to mention the Rams!
I think Elway, Fox, and Bowlen are doing fine work in digging out of the McDaniels hole they started in.  Manning affords them viable reason to trade Tebow, a move NOT liked by the "fanatics", but welcomed by true fans of the team.  We have moved from having a statistical nightmare / joke of a QB to possibly one of the very best of all time.  Time will tell how Manning comes back and for how long.  Time will also tell if Tebow ever can complete more than 47% of his passes, or doesn't lead the league in "three and out" possesions.  Other than a few miraculous minutes at the end of games, Tebow was HARD to watch.  Sucking for 50 minutes, looking at 9 defenders in the box, 3 and out, three and out,....etc., Man it was brutal.  Thank to a good defense for keeping things close, Not to mention one of the best punters around(he got LOTS of practice).

I wish the best for Tim Tebow, but I am glad the Broncos have moved on / improved at the position.

[Reb]

I must say, why watch the NFL, when you can see UFC, Boxing, and Hockey all at one time 

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