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« on: March 28, 2012, 06:29:00 PM » |
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Ok, I can see hollow points etc for a 22/25/.380 and maybe even the 9 mm.
but wouldn't a "target round" from a 40/45/50 be enough to put a bad guy down? bullet placement is important in all calibers, goes without saying, but shouldn't a larger caliber have enough power that a hollow point shouldn't be necessary?
i'm having trouble justifying the extra cost(almost double ).
would like some input. thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 06:30:21 PM » |
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Hollow point is a safety issue IMHO. A hollow point is far less likely to penetrate the initial target and harm an unintended target behind it, even in the larger calibers.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 06:42:08 PM » |
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It also has to do with energy grantee or "stopping power." If a ball round travels all the way through the person, it did not deliver all of its energy to the body. A hollow point is likely to stop without over-penetration, delivering all of the bullets energy and stopping the attacker.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 06:44:03 PM » |
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Oh, and as far as price goes, use ball for plinking and jhp for self-defense. Just make sure your self-defense ammo feeds reliably.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 06:44:43 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 07:13:09 PM » |
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 07:49:30 PM » |
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I've read some first hand accounts of the effectiveness of .45 FMJ's.
will do the trick but it keeps on going.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 08:16:19 PM » |
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Accuracy is another issue. With many pistols, the right JHP is much more accurate than ball, though this may be academic at the typical short range of a defensive shooting. Even the high power rifle is shown to perform very well at long range with boat tail hollow points (though the hp is nothing like pistol, the tiny hole at the tip stabilizes the bullet better in flight).
The 9mm ball is a poor defensive round, maybe only a 60% one-shot-stoper, but the best JHPs are way better performers. The JHP will not only reduce the likelihood of thru-and-thru the bad guy into the innocent guy, but it is also less likely to leave your house thru a wall and go into some other guy's house.
The great beauty of pistol JHPs is, it is generally much more destructive to the bad guy than ball ammo, but it is also much safer to all others in the vicinity. When asked why you used JHPs, the answer is always safety, of course.
As above, practice with ball, but defend with JHPs (which you have function fired in your pistol).
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 08:21:04 PM » |
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.45acp ball ammo has done well for the military but in civilian or police use you don't want over penetration. As was said, shoot the cheap stuff for plinking and keep some HP's for defense. Some of the gun mags have talked up .38 wad-cutters pretty well for defense too. They should be less expensive.
Many years ago in NY city (I think) the police mistakenly opened fire on a guy standing in a brick alcove with their 9mm hardball ammo. The guy was unarmed but their own bullets passing through him and bouncing back caused them to think he was firing back. They continued to fire until he fell, and since they were shooting hardball 9mm the bullets had little knockdown effect and he suffered an amazing number of hits before he fell. It was a lot of grief in the media for the LEO's but one of the big problems was not their fault, it was their issue hardball ammo.
It's been a lot of years and I might have some details wrong but that was the gist of it I think.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 08:28:18 PM » |
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I only have hollow points (Speer Gold Dots) in a few of my magazines. I use Speer Lawman for most of the practice stuff.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 09:54:31 PM » |
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On the subject of ball to practice JHP to defend, another small point is your sights. On a small, compact, fixed sight pistol never mind, but if you have a 5" 1911 with adjustable sights and take pride at decent groups at 50 feet, if you will carry it in defense, it should be sighted in with your JHP defensive ammo and left there. Your practice ball may routinely group somewhere other than target center (high or low elevation, not windage).
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2012, 05:00:13 AM » |
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The answers are right on the money here. One additional. Do NOT use handloads for defense. The use of handloads will be used by bottom feeders to discredit you in court, and a shooting will go to court even if you're in the right, IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2012, 06:48:07 AM » |
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