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Author Topic: Tractor-trailer restrictions vary on The Dragon  (Read 1430 times)
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« on: March 29, 2012, 07:58:04 PM »

TALLASSEE (WATE) - Riding with tractor-trailers is a danger motorcycle riders sometimes face on an infamous stretch of East Tennessee roadway.

The section of U.S. Highway 129 from Blount County into North Carolina features 300 curves in an 11-mile stretch, earning it the nickname The Dragon.

Warm spring weather and the chance for a thrilling ride draws an endless stream of tourists from across the country to ride.

It can be difficult to dodge tractor-trailers on the interstate, but imagine sharing a sharp and often dangerous curve with one on a two-lane roadway.

"It's pretty unforgiving territory," said motorcyclist Peter Meyer.

How about deadly? A $14.5 million pending lawsuit alleges a truck driver blocked both lanes on The Dragon in Blount County, killing a man named Dwight Woodard, of Georgia.

"They effectively take over both lanes, and there is no way to see the corner like that," Meyer said.

There are no restrictions against tractor-trailers in Tennessee, but once you cross into North Carolina it's a different story.

There, tractor-trailers longer than 30 feet are restricted from using the stretch from the Graham County line to the Tennessee state line.

NCDOT says the change is directly linked to Woodard's death. "We saw a tractor-trailer go by at 40 miles an hour," said cyclist D.J. Hamback.

Many are asking why Tennessee isn't following the same rule as North Carolina. "It's too tight of a road with a semi," Meyer said.

In a letter from TDOT addressed to Congressman Duncan last year, some reasons given for not banning long hauls were that it would "severely impact commerce" and there's "no reasonable alternative route for commercial traffic."

Meyer says he doesn't buy those reasons. He believes many truck drivers are choosing The Dragon for the scenic route.

Others say safety should always trump other issues. "I think it's crazy because there is 11 of us, and you take down one of us, you knock over four or five of us, just not enough road. People drive too fast," said Hamback.

That's exactly what TDOT says is the main problem, not the tractor-trailers but the speed. After all The Dragon is the playground for the bold and daring.

According to TDOT, there have been 17 motorcycle fatalities on the road in the past six years, but only one of those involved a tractor-trailer.

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DirtyDan
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 08:50:33 PM »

my take

tractor trailers have no busisness on the dragon

that being said....

if you hit something on your bike it might not be your fault but it is your responsibility

NEVER NEVER NEVER exceed you stoping distance...........EVER!!!

EVER !!!

if you could not stop for a truck in both lanes then what else could you not stop for ?

start a mental list of things you have seen in the road, can you sue all of them?

short of a live animal or a FALLING tree or rock {not on the ground but still in motion, ive seen both} its your fault........... PERIOD

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 05:55:00 AM »

Joe,
Thanks for this post.  The Dragon and all the roads that lead to it, is some of the best riding I’ve ever done.

Dan;
I agree with all your statements except for “tractor trailers have no busisness on the dragon”.

Tractor-trailers pay taxes just like everyone else and if your moving a load from Knoxville, TN to Robbinsville, NC; it’s the most direct route.

It IS business.

I’ve ridden the Dragon 4 times, hope to do it a hundred times more.  Every time I’ve been there, except the last (cold weekday) Sporties would ride up on and pass me or I’d pull over and let them pass.  Sometimes a group would sit on the side of the road and wait for no traffic, so they could bomb through.

I suspect they send one forward and call back with the “all clear, no trucks”, I would.

I’m no angel and we all have different levels of “guts”.  I’ve caused other cruisers to pull over and let me pass because they felt they were holding me up.  But I believe, maybe erroneously, I could stop at any time if something was blocking my lane.  The speed limits posted, if obeyed, should give any vehicle time to stop.

It’s all up to personal responsibility.  Everyone is responsible for the operation of their own vehicle and truckers, for the most part, are the most responsible group out there.

With all due respect to Peter Meyer, I disagree with just about everything he stated.

No, wait, I agree with this.
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"It's pretty unforgiving territory," said motorcyclist Peter Meyer.
Yes it is, so everyone should use caution, especially motorcyclist.
 
These statements I don’t agree with.
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"They effectively take over both lanes, and there is no way to see the corner like that," Meyer said.
If your going the at or under the speed limit there is.

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Meyer says he doesn't buy those reasons. He believes many truck drivers are choosing The Dragon for the scenic route.
I can’t see truck drivers going on ANY road for the scenery.


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NCDOT says the change is directly linked to Woodard's death. "We saw a tractor-trailer go by at 40 miles an hour," said cyclist D.J. Hamback.
How fast are the motorcyclists going?  I know I was over the limit and was still passed by many.


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reasons given for not banning long hauls were that it would "severely impact commerce" and there's "no reasonable alternative route for commercial traffic."
IMHO, the TDOT has it right.

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NCDOT says the change is directly linked to Woodard's death
I believe NC was wrong to change the use of any road due to one singular incident, and maybe they didn’t, but to restrict use of one group of commercial users so that another group of recreational users can break the law, shows it’s okay to ignore speed limits.  It also shows that the traffic engineers that set those limits were wrong, which I suspect they weren’t.

On my last trip to the area, 2 weeks ago, I had the pleasure of riding rte 60 from Suches, GA to Blue Ridge, GA.  Beautiful day, road, views.   I gassed up in Suches and got behind a food service truck that impeded my ride and view.  I followed for awhile, hoping the driver would pull over and let me pass, but he wasn’t thinking the same.

I took a side driveway that had a sign for one of the many places of worship that seem to be everywhere and discovered an old cemetery.  I stopped and spent an hour reading gravestones and smoking a cigar.  I had the privilege to read a few Civil War Vets (Grey, obviously) markers that, without that truck, I would never had seen.

Maybe trucks do make it difficult to enjoy the ride as much as we could, but they have the right to the road as much as we do.

And I was glad for that food service truck.







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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 07:25:02 AM »

Dan;
I agree with all your statements except for “tractor trailers have no busisness on the dragon”.

Crossing the yellow line is just as illegal as speeding.  In my opinion (and that of quite a few others) it is far more dangerous than speeding.  There is NO way for 18 wheelers to traverse the Dragon without crossing the yellow line.  Therefore, allowing big trucks on that road is allowing them to break the law, and allowing them to be a hazard to everyone on the road.
Yes, it is every rider's responsibility to be able to control his vehicle despite unforeseen hazards, whether it's a boulder on the road, or a car stopped in the fast lane of the highway.  However, it is very easy to be doing everything right, but still have a close call if someone nearby does something stupid.  I don't do everything right 100% (or anywhere near 100%) of the time, but even if I was, coming around a blind corner at 30 (or whatever the speed limit is on the dragon) to find a big truck coming at me in my lane, will cause a panic stop.  Panic stops are never good, especially when you can't control what's coming up behind you.

That being said, the quote in the article that the big trucks take that road for the scenic views is stupid.  It's either time savings, or lack of knowledge of the road.  Frankly, though, the motivation doesn't matter.  If you go headfirst into the grill of a big truck, you won't care why he was there anymore.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 07:56:30 AM »


That's it, it's time to widen and straighten 129!

-Mike "ducking for cover..."
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Hook#3287
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 08:10:23 AM »

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Crossing the yellow line is just as illegal as speeding.  In my opinion (and that of quite a few others) it is far more dangerous than speeding.  There is NO way for 18 wheelers to traverse the Dragon without crossing the yellow line.  Therefore, allowing big trucks on that road is allowing them to break the law, and allowing them to be a hazard to everyone on the road.


I didn't consider that point and all I can say is  uglystupid2 uglystupid2

Just kidding;  Your right.

Trucks must have been using the route since it was opened, whenever that was?

Why were trucks ever allowed in the first place?

I still don't feel restrictions should be put in place to apease a select group, if that's what is going on here?
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 09:00:12 AM »

I have never been on the dragon, I hope to some day.

I do have an opinion on trucks crossing the center line though, in my area anytime a large vehicle has to use up more than it's own section of the roadway, it is required to have an escort, otherwise they would be liable for the consequences.

If the local traffic enforcement agency's were to establish a law of that nature, it would allow for a cottage industry of sorts for warning vehicle's to lead them through the dragon, and at the same time alert vehicles headed toward them that there is some type of dangerous situation ahead. 

If tractor trailers had to hire someone to lead them through, they would no longer find it a short cut, or use the roadway for it's scenic value. If they had to be on that roadway, it would be a cost that they would have to pass onto the customer that needed the delivery.

Just my 2cents,  Jim

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 07:07:41 AM »

I have to agree with the "crossing the center line" statement.  With so many curves on the Dragon... An 18 wheeler would be crossing the center quite often.  That, in itself, puts others in danger.  Cars trucks and motorcycles...

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 08:13:29 AM »


That's it, it's time to widen and straighten 129!

-Mike "ducking for cover..."

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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 09:50:28 AM »

I'll poke at the fire here a bit. Joe, we know that the Dragon might as well be your driveway, and I vaguely remember a Killboy pic of you in your 18 Wheel cage.  Since you're on both sides of this whats you take on the whole mess?
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2012, 11:13:51 AM »

I'll poke at the fire here a bit. Joe, we know that the Dragon might as well be your driveway, and I vaguely remember a Killboy pic of you in your 18 Wheel cage.  Since you're on both sides of this whats you take on the whole mess?
We have powerlines across that mountain and I must get to them. I always have a front  escort with communication between us. I could'nt just go up and do The Dragon on 26 wheels whenever the feeling hits me . When I'm on US 129 we are doing work / maintence on the powerlines.


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