Help!- Update- Kingbee or others- fuse block

[fudgie]

Finally found a fuse block like your at auto zone today. A few questions tho. I know to hook the hots to the spades and I assume the nut/ bolt is where you hook up to the acc port on the bike? Also how do you know what size of fuse to use for your acc? I ran out and looked and from what I can tell I have the following hooked to my acc port- speakers, ac/cig lighter, radar detector, and kury volt meter. I also have a trailer harness and audiovox cc but I don't think they are hooked to the acc. I'm sure about the trailer but not about the CC. I'm gonna be hooking up some non oem foglights in the next few days and was going to add this block also. Thx!

[Kingbee]

Take another look at this PIC.  The relay is triggered by your accessory leads under the right side cover.  Then run a heavy wire to your battery + terminal from one of the switched terminals on the relay.  From the other switched relay terminal run a heavy wire to the screw on the fuse panel, which I'm also using to hold the relay.  Then wire your accessories to the fuse panel & choose the porper fuse.

[fudgie]

What size relay did you use, if there is such a thing? What ga of wire? Thx!

[Kingbee]

I used 12 gauge wire from the batt to the relay, & from the relay to the fuse panel,  You can see in the pic that it is thicker.

I use a 40 Amp universal relay, available at NAPA

[Novavalker]

Where did you run the ground wires for all your accessories?

[Kingbee]

You could run your grounds near the accessories, or, for easier possible future troubleshooting, you could run them back to a central location.  There are commercial ground blocks available.  In this case, I simply used a splice block from Radio Shack, connected all the terminals on one side and ran a heavy lead to the - terminal of the battery.



That's a pretty ugly wiring situation at the top of the PIC - goodies added over 12 years.  I've since cleaned that up.

[sandy]

I recently purchased a 40 amp relay. NAPA wanted $25 for one. Radio Shack had a better quality unit for $6.99.

[fudgie]

I can't find a 40a all the stores had were 30a. But there is no directions on hooking it up. Anyone know what terminal goes where? I have #'s-85 86 87 and 30. Thx!

[Scott from FL, now in Maine]

This link is for wiring extra lights I believe, but it has good diagrams that will help you understand those numbers on the relay 

http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/foglites.html

[Novavalker]

Take another look at this PIC.  The relay is triggered by your accessory leads under the right side cover.  Then run a heavy wire to your battery + terminal from one of the switched terminals on the relay.  From the other switched relay terminal run a heavy wire to the screw on the fuse panel, which I'm also using to hold the relay.  Then wire your accessories to the fuse panel & choose the porper fuse.

Just want to make sure I understand this.

According to Rattlebars picture of the relay:
http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/foglites.html


Terminal 30/51 should be used as the power feed to the relay
Terminal 86 is the trigger from the aux power lead plug
terminal 85 is the ground from aux ground plug
Terminal 87 is used to power the fuse block

Terminal 87a (you used this instead of terminal 30/51 as the power feed to the relay?)


 I guess you can use either 87,87a or 30/51 to supply power to the relay....right?

[Scott from FL, now in Maine]

Actually if you have an 87a you must have a five prong relay  That works fine to You want power input to the relay on post 30, and the output from the relay to fuse box on post 87 85 and 86 are actually interchangable. Ground on one, switched power on the other. Just for your own info, the center post 87a will be hot with power on 30 and switch power off. When switch power is on, 87a will have no power. You would only use 87a in other more complex circuts. Just leave in alone and you'll be fine. Hope this helps 

[fudgie]

Take another look at this PIC.  The relay is triggered by your accessory leads under the right side cover.  Then run a heavy wire to your battery + terminal from one of the switched terminals on the relay.  From the other switched relay terminal run a heavy wire to the screw on the fuse panel, which I'm also using to hold the relay.  Then wire your accessories to the fuse panel & choose the porper fuse.

Just want to make sure I understand this.

According to Rattlebars picture of the relay:
http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/foglites.html


Terminal 30/51 should be used as the power feed to the relay
Terminal 86 is the trigger from the aux power lead plug
terminal 85 is the ground from aux ground plug
Terminal 87 is used to power the fuse block

Terminal 87a (you used this instead of terminal 30/51 as the power feed to the relay?)


 I guess you can use either 87,87a or 30/51 to supply power to the relay....right?

Wow I'm really lost now! lol So where do they go? Let me know at a 5th grade level!

[Scott from FL, now in Maine]

Post 30 attach input from battery, post 87 attach to input of fuse fuse panel, post 85 attach ground, post 86 attach the switched lead (accessory output on bike) That's all there is to it    Ignore post 87a the fifth post in the center of the relay if you have it. That's it  Do it this way and your fuse panel will now operate off the key. Then just attach the accessories to the panel outputs with the right fuses for each item. You'll be fine  Have fun!

[Steve K (IA)]

I have done this before with the same fuse block at Kingbee.  Mine is behind the battery.  Good luck and have fun.  If you don't already have one, get a "kit" of crimp on connectors and a crimp tool.

Terminal 30/51 should be used as the power feed to the relay (run power from the + battery terminal to this contact)


Terminal 86 is the trigger from the aux power lead plug (this will be connected to a switched source...aux wire.)


terminal 85 is the ground from aux ground plug (run this to a ground)


Terminal 87 is used to power the fuse block (connect this to the bolt on the fuse block that supplies power to the fuses)...Make SURE you insulate this bolt to keep from shorting out.  Shrink sleeve, electrical tape........

[fudgie]

Post 30 attach input from battery, post 87 attach to input of fuse fuse panel, post 85 attach ground, post 86 attach the switched lead (accessory output on bike) That's all there is to it    Ignore post 87a the fifth post in the center of the relay if you have it. That's it  Do it this way and your fuse panel will now operate off the key. Then just attach the accessories to the panel outputs with the right fuses for each item. You'll be fine  Have fun!

OK! Thx so much. I'm mechanically inclined to do the work, just not the lingo!  

[fudgie]

Thx to all with the help. Had it all rewired in 2 hours. Works good. I used a small bungee to hold everything back. Thx again!

[Madmike]

One thing you may want to consider is installing this with a relay pigtail.  The advantage of doing this is that the pigtail can be hardwired into the circuits with soldered connections and the relay plugs into the connection.  If you ever have to change the relay you just pull the old one out of the plug and push a new one in - no chance of getting wires crossed.  The relays should be a standard configuration for the terminals.


Here is a sample

http://www.autotoys.com/x/product.php?productid=320

[fudgie]

Finally found a fuse block like your at auto zone today. A few questions tho. I know to hook the hots to the spades and I assume the nut/ bolt is where you hook up to the acc port on the bike? Also how do you know what size of fuse to use for your acc? I ran out and looked and from what I can tell I have the following hooked to my acc port- speakers, ac/cig lighter, radar detector, and kury volt meter. I also have a trailer harness and audiovox cc but I don't think they are hooked to the acc. I'm sure about the trailer but not about the CC. I'm gonna be hooking up some non oem foglights in the next few days and was going to add this block also. Thx!

Ok. Hooked this block up on Memorial Day. All is well. Today as I get ready to ride to work, battery is dead.  Something must have drained the battery. Put the charger on it and it showed only 4% charged. Grrr.  Gonna check everything tomorrow when I get home but don't know why it had drained. Hooked up to relay as follows- 30- from battery. 85 attached to ground. 86 to my acc port. 87 input to my new fuse block. This is a new battery approx 3 weeks ago. Bike only sat a day or 2 between rides prior to this. Battery was put on a charger for a few hours, showed charged. All else fails I'll get a new battery. I have my Kury volt meter, radar det, and my cc controls hooked to 1 5a fuse. My ac plug to one 10a. My speakers to another 5a fuse. Whadda you all think? All else fails I'll unhook the block for a few days and see if it drains it.

[Kingbee]

Just to make sure your fuse block wiring was correct, do your accessories power down when you turn the bike off?

Alternator check - Do you get at least 13.5 volts when the bike is running?

If the above are OK, there's a  chance you got a bad battery

[fudgie]

Just to make sure your fuse block wiring was correct, do your accessories power down when you turn the bike off?

Alternator check - Do you get at least 13.5 volts when the bike is running?

If the above are OK, there's a  chance you got a bad battery

Yes, when key off everything is off.

Not sure about the alt. It was serviced in March by a alt/started guy. He only repacked the bearings. all else was good. The Kury volt meter showed 2 green lights last running. The last green light beats to the bass of my music!
I'll hook up my charger tomorrow to test the alt again to be sure.

Bad battery. Great. When I got it, I added the acid and placed it on my charger. It showed 75% done but I left it on charger for about 3 hrs to be sure. Wonder if this is it.... My last battery I placed on a little trickle charger over night and ran fine from 2004 to present.

[R J]

Hey Buckwheat, does ya got one of those thing of a ma jigs that has a screwdriver handle with a light in it and a point on the end with an alligator clip on the wire?

If so, pull the positive battery cable off and insert this tool in between the battery post and the end of the cable with the key off.

Is the light on?

If so remove one wire at a time till it goes out in your new installation.
Sounds like you have a draw from somewhere that ain't supposed to be there.

Good luck, I know you can find the problem.

[John Schmidt]

Some with the 5 prong base 87a contact are tricky. I found a couple in my box of relays with the 87a that go hot with the 87. Most don't, but that can throw you a curve if you don't check the wiring diagram.

[fudgie]

Some with the 5 prong base 87a contact are tricky. I found a couple in my box of relays with the 87a that go hot with the 87. Most don't, but that can throw you a curve if you don't check the wiring diagram.

Its a 4 prong from auto Zone. Has a diagram but its Greek to me as what it stands for.

[fudgie]

Hey Buckwheat, does ya got one of those thing of a ma jigs that has a screwdriver handle with a light in it and a point on the end with an alligator clip on the wire?

If so, pull the positive battery cable off and insert this tool in between the battery post and the end of the cable with the key off.

Is the light on?

If so remove one wire at a time till it goes out in your new installation.
Sounds like you have a draw from somewhere that ain't supposed to be there.

Good luck, I know you can find the problem.

Yea I do. Thx, i'll have to try this in the morning.

[fudgie]

Ok, Kit took the charger off the bike around noon yesterday. I got home this morning around 8 went to take a look see. Put the charger on and showed battery at 45%. All acc were off. Relay was warm. I had the acc wire and battery wire hooked to the relay wrong. Lets hope all is good. Battery is being charged now.

[bjsvalk]

 how do i tell the acc port? I have been reading these posts on adding a fuse block and would lke to do mine,99 interstate, i want to hardwire my gps and xm radio and do away with the power port plugging in. is there any diagrams out here anywhere?  ???

[fudgie]

how do i tell the acc port? I have been reading these posts on adding a fuse block and would lke to do mine,99 interstate, i want to hardwire my gps and xm radio and do away with the power port plugging in. is there any diagrams out here anywhere?  ???

Under the right side cover is the 2 wires for the acc. Its covered by a little black plastic sheath. Pull it back and you will see 2 female ends. Ones the ground and the other is 'hot with key on'.

[bjsvalk]

thanks, I have already got the fuse block,relay, and even got the relay harness. i will get this done tomorow, i just finished the turnsignal/running lights/brake lights LED conversion and this is my next project. again thanks for th fast reply

[Madmike]

how do i tell the acc port? I have been reading these posts on adding a fuse block and would lke to do mine,99 interstate, i want to hardwire my gps and xm radio and do away with the power port plugging in. is there any diagrams out here anywhere?  ???

Most automotive relays have the wiring schematic on the cover of the relay.

The load circuit is:
terminal 30 is main power into the relay
terminal 87 is open when there is no power to the control circuit
terminal 87a on a five terminal relay is closed when there is no power to the control circuit

The control circuit is:
terminal 85 and 86 are the control circuit - one is attached to control power and the other is attached to ground

[bjsvalk]

  i started looking for the accesory leads today and found what looks to be them but they have some wires plugged in them. my question is are they supposed to be empy? i havent unplugged them yet to see if i can find wht they are hooked to. just checking on someone knowing what these are, if i have the right ones? seem to be all i can find.