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Stanley Steamer
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« on: May 21, 2009, 07:42:44 PM »

I want to buy another petcock "cover set"  from Honda Direct Line's microfische parts list....it's # 5 in this diagram($27.22)....as well as a new O-ring, and screen filter...

http://www.hdlparts.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=148545&category=Motorcycles&make=Honda&year=1999&fveh=3473

My question though is this.....Is this the same thing on their other website?/

http://www.directlineparts.com/product.asp?pid=9177&str=2

They only want $17.99 for it.....I just wonder if it's the same item?
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 08:21:27 PM »

Probably the same item, only 1 is an after market one based on the part #....

I'd just call and ask for Chris or Lamont and put that question to which ever one ya get..........
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98valk
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 05:17:42 AM »

read my posts


http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,2541.msg17627/topicseen.html#msg17627

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,3408.0.html
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Stanley Steamer
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 07:11:23 AM »



I'm thinking I want to keep the OEM petcock with the vacuum hose because....if I ever did forget to turn the petcock off(which I rarely do when I'm done riding) and I have a carb float hang-up and flood one of the cylinders, THAT potential hydrolock/starter gear break would be a substantially more expensive repair than just installing a new petcock diaphyram assembly...right?.....I hated get stranded on the side of the road a few weeks ago because of the inside of the diaphyram coming apart, but it least it wasn't a hydrolock situation...What are your thoughts on that?....I guess the vac system is a kind of "insurance"?....when it's working right that is... Undecided
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2009, 12:01:52 PM »

I'm thinking I want to keep the OEM petcock with the vacuum hose because....if I ever did forget to turn the petcock off(which I rarely do when I'm done riding) and I have a carb float hang-up and flood one of the cylinders, THAT potential hydrolock/starter gear break would be a substantially more expensive repair than just installing a new petcock diaphyram assembly...right?.....I hated get stranded on the side of the road a few weeks ago because of the inside of the diaphyram coming apart, but it least it wasn't a hydrolock situation...What are your thoughts on that?....I guess the vac system is a kind of "insurance"?....when it's working right that is... Undecided[/quote]

Stanley......heres my thoughts....

The main cause IMHO of hydroloc isint just the petcock.  I think the main cause is dirt and gravity.  Dirt/grit gets into the carbs and makes the floats hang up.  Grit gets inbetween the diaphrams and wears them out.  There is enough fuel in the lines to hydroloc a valk without gas flowing actively from the tank. 

So making sure gas is filtered out of the tank.....and making sure there isint a vent in the fuel system to allow freeflow of the gas already in the lines.

Many add extra filters.  I think as long as you make sure the one in the tank is cleaned and in good order that should be good enough, but it needs to be checked annually or so.

Turning a properly functioning petcock off should seal up the fuel lines so it (hopefully) wont flow even if a float hangs up.  Now, if the diaphram in the vacume side is leaking, then on or off youre in trouble.  Going with a petcock that has no diaphram eliminates that possibility, but then (as you said) you must turn it off religiously.

I said all that to say.....I would rather trust me to turn off the gas than a diaphram to not be leaking, and then if I feel the fuel is adequately filtered maybe there is little risk of a problem

If you are interested in lowering your hydroloc chances......Id say eliminate things you have little control over like vacuum shut off mechanisms
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2009, 12:44:11 PM »

I developed the bad habit of NOT turning off the petcock with my first bike, a '78 Wing (fuel pump driven not gravity fed, so not an issue).

Having said that I did hydrolock my Valk last year. The reason it flooded the cyclinders was that a carb was dirty and the float and needles stuck, allowing fuel to run in the cylinder. I had that repaired, (pulling a motor by yourself is not fun) but still need to fix my petcock, because I found out that turning the fuel off there does not work.

No, being as lazy as I am .. I still have not fixed the petcock (almost 8 mths later) and still do not turn off teh fuel. But no hydrolock issues either.

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98valk
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2009, 01:00:32 PM »


I'm thinking I want to keep the OEM petcock with the vacuum hose because....if I ever did forget to turn the petcock off(which I rarely do when I'm done riding) and I have a carb float hang-up and flood one of the cylinders, THAT potential hydrolock/starter gear break would be a substantially more expensive repair than just installing a new petcock diaphyram assembly...right?.....I hated get stranded on the side of the road a few weeks ago because of the inside of the diaphyram coming apart, but it least it wasn't a hydrolock situation...What are your thoughts on that?....I guess the vac system is a kind of "insurance"?....when it's working right that is... Undecided
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IMHO below is the problem. Dirt? each carb fuel supply connection on the body of each carb has a fine filter screen, just like the one inside of the tank.
Use a snupper like in my other post, this will let the new repair kit last a long time.

Re: Another hydrolock question

Posted By: 98valk <fitness7days@nospam.juno.com>
Date: 9/4/2008 at 12:30:31

In Response To: Another hydrolock question (G-Man (Gary in NY))

this is from Rider mag sept 1988 about the '88 goldwing GL1500.
they had the hydro-lock problem and it turned out to be the bowl vent hose was sagging. "the low spotfills with gas and prevents air circulation, much like a sink trap. without a connection to atmosphere, the float bowls pressurize and raw fuel is forced up and out of the carbs through the needle jet. From there gravity takes the fuel down the intake runners. if that cylinder has an open intake valve, hydrolock." "The article states that honda issued a Product Update kit on a fix in feb of that yr which included a metal air-vent pipe and a vacuum fuel valve."
Looking at the service manual pics in the carb section it shows the vent hoses as straight sections just laying loosely on top of other hoses. My 98's vent hoses have a 90 degree end. the end is installed into holes in the rear carb support frame.
So this might be the reason and cause of the problem for some bikes.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2009, 01:18:45 PM »

JP(hardsix) sells an electric fuel shut off valve that goes inline and is only open when key is on. You still use your stock valve for on/off and res. you remove the vaccum part and disable the  valve. He's been running one for over a year now.
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