This is an even bigger deal than the Obama comments...

[The Anvil]

...at least in my opinion. Could the face of hunting be a poacher?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/21/justice/alaska-nugent-bear-hunting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

[sugerbear]

looks like the feds are digging. he's in trouble now.

[The Anvil]

looks like the feds are digging. he's in trouble now.

Well the timeline doesn't follow the Obama comments, it preceeds them. I think this was in the works long before that.

And from what I can see he's getting off easy.

[MP]

Getting off easy?

New law.  In Alaska.  Wounding an animal is considered bagging it.  They could find no trace of blood or anything.

How would you know if you wounded it?

Say you saved for 10 years for an Alaska Hunt.  Got up there, and took a shot at an Elk at 200 yards.  Elk jumps, and runs off.  You can find no trace of blood or anything.  So, do you pack up and go home, in case you might have wounded it?

We hunt lots of pheasants here.  Tell me Anvil, if I shoot at a pheasant, and it keeps flying, did I wound it?  You tell me.

It is a law almost impossible to follow.

MP

[The Anvil]

Getting off easy?

New law.  In Alaska.  Wounding an animal is considered bagging it.  They could find no trace of blood or anything.

How would you know if you wounded it?

Say you saved for 10 years for an Alaska Hunt.  Got up there, and took a shot at an Elk at 200 yards.  Elk jumps, and runs off.  You can find no trace of blood or anything.  So, do you pack up and go home, in case you might have wounded it?

We hunt lots of pheasants here.  Tell me Anvil, if I shoot at a pheasant, and it keeps flying, did I wound it?  You tell me.

It is a law almost impossible to follow.

MP

Yes, he's getting off easy. I'm not speaking of the good sense of the law here. It may or may not be a stupid law. But I can't help thinking that if it weren't The Nuge that the penalty would be stiffer.

But he plead guilty. It would seem they have footage. And you can't tell me that The Nuge isn't up to speed on every hunting law. You hunt, you fail, you go home empty handed. You spent a lot of money to go home with nothing? Tough crap. Hone your hunting skills if you don't like it. Or go to Puerto Rico an lay on the beach. There are no guarantees in life and it ain't always fair. You know what I call people who want fairness and guarantees in life? LIBERALS. 

Stop making excuses for him.

[Rams]

Getting off easy?

New law.  In Alaska.  Wounding an animal is considered bagging it.  They could find no trace of blood or anything.

How would you know if you wounded it?

Say you saved for 10 years for an Alaska Hunt.  Got up there, and took a shot at an Elk at 200 yards.  Elk jumps, and runs off.  You can find no trace of blood or anything.  So, do you pack up and go home, in case you might have wounded it?

We hunt lots of pheasants here.  Tell me Anvil, if I shoot at a pheasant, and it keeps flying, did I wound it?  You tell me.

It is a law almost impossible to follow.

MP

Yes, he's getting off easy. I'm not speaking of the good sense of the law here. It may or may not be a stupid law. But I can't help thinking that if it weren't The Nuge that the penalty would be stiffer.

But he plead guilty. It would seem they have footage. And you can't tell me that The Nuge isn't up to speed on every hunting law. You hunt, you fail, you go home empty handed. You spent a lot of money to go home with nothing? Tough crap. Hone your hunting skills if you don't like it. Or go to Puerto Rico an lay on the beach. There are no guarantees in life and it ain't always fair. You know what I call people who want fairness and guarantees in life? LIBERALS.  

Stop making excuses for him.

I can't help but think that if he wasn't Ted Nugent, it would have never been prosecuted.   Best way to get a message across is to use a well known messenger.

[MAD6Gun]

 BIG FREEKING DEAL Why are you even bringing this up Anvil. Who cares.

  I got to side with MP on this one. How would you know you wounded a animal if you cant find a blood trail? Huh.  Hunting is not an exact science especially bow hunting. Many things can lead to a miss or non fatal shot. Have you ever hunted with a bow? (oh wait you probable have and  probable shot everything known to man,since you know it all).  If I was not sure of a fatal shot I would probable keep hunting too. Don't tell me you wouldnt. Just saying.......

[The Anvil]

BIG FREEKING DEAL Why are you even bringing this up Anvil. Who cares.

  I got to side with MP on this one. How would you know you wounded a animal if you cant find a blood trail? Huh.  Hunting is not an exact science especially bow hunting. Many things can lead to a miss or non fatal shot. Have you ever hunted with a bow? (oh wait you probable have and  probable shot everything known to man,since you know it all).  If I was not sure of a fatal shot I would probable keep hunting too. Don't tell me you wouldnt. Just saying.......

Why am I bringing it up? Because Nugent has become a clown. Who cares? Alaskan authorities clearly care. Lots of other people care despite the fact that you wish it weren't a national news story (but it is).

I'm sure the blue state of Alaska was just champing at the bit to persecute the Nuge. It's obviously a conspiracy

He wouldn't have copped a plea if they didn't have a pretty good case against him. Unless he's just a spineless jellyfish who caves in the face of authority.

[MP]

You ignored my question.

 How do you know if you wounded the animal or not?

 I care not a wit if it was Uncle Ted, or anyone else.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I'm not proud of it but I have shot a deer or two that I didn't recover. I tracked a doe once till 4am, coyotes were chasing her and I never did recover her.   It happens.

And even those of us who are really passionate about hunting sometimes misunderstand the law or are surprised by changes to the law. A few years ago, Indiana announced that rifles in pistol calibers would be legal for deer hunting. I did some research, decided that the S & W 460 magnum rocked ballisticly and bought a SS carbine barrel in that caliber for my encore. The recoil destroyed my scope on the third shot, so I had to buy a new scope. I'm at around $350-$400 for the barrel and scope now. After spending another $100 or so trying factory ammo and working up reloads I was ready to go. Then I found out the 460 case was a few tenths over the legal length and can't be used in Indiana.

After calling the DNR I decided to cut down my brass to the legal length and work up a new load which would be somewhere between the 460 and the 454 casul. Thus, I was still working up a legal load and missed hunting with it the first season. I've got a dead accurate round of my design for it I call the 460 Hoosier now, but starting this season the full length 460 is finally legal. Guess the jokes on me for not reading the regs closer before I bought it.

crap happens to the best of us. No way Nugent was being intentionally dishonest. That's only my opinion of course.

[The Anvil]

You ignored my question.

 How do you know if you wounded the animal or not?

 I care not a wit if it was Uncle Ted, or anyone else.

Read the statment:

Nugent's attorney told the Anchorage Daily News on Friday that his client, who has previously hunted in the same area, was unaware of the law,

SUUUUURE he was.

which was introduced less than five years ago. He told the newspaper he watched the video clip from Nugent's show and the arrow "touched" the bear and stuck in the ground.

So he knew he scored a hit.

"There wasn't any blood trail that they could find," Ross said. "There was a little blood apparently at the spot, but nothing that indicated the bear was hard hit."

But it WAS hit and Drunk Uncle Ted knew it. Sorry dude, there's your answer. More than anything he's claiming ignorance of the law which is no excuse.

Now answer mine; why did he cop a plea? If he had a legitimate claim to having not known (and apparently it's all on vid-eee-ooo then why plead guilty? The answer; BECAUSE HE cursed WELL KNEW IT. But you keep right on making excuses for your binky.

[The Anvil]

I'm not proud of it but I have shot a deer or two that I didn't recover. I tracked a doe once till 4am, coyotes were chasing her and I never did recover her.   It happens.

But you tried your damnedest. That's the important part.

I'm sorry but I'm just not buying that Ted Nugent, the face of bowhunting, did not know about this law.

And by the by, Ted is a "recovering' sex addict who fathered a few kids out of wedlock (while married to someone else I believe) and was once sued (successfully) for non-payment of child support. And even I didn't know about this; In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference they could not marry so Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian, an arrangement that Spin magazine ranked in October 2000 as #63 on their list of the "100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock"

No, that fine upstanding citizen would only lie to his wives, never the government. 

[musclehead]

I'm not proud of it but I have shot a deer or two that I didn't recover. I tracked a doe once till 4am, coyotes were chasing her and I never did recover her.   It happens.

But you tried your damnedest. That's the important part.

I'm sorry but I'm just not buying that Ted Nugent, the face of bowhunting, did not know about this law.

And by the by, Ted is a "recovering' sex addict who fathered a few kids out of wedlock (while married to someone else I believe) and was once sued (successfully) for non-payment of child support. And even I didn't know about this; In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference they could not marry so Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian, an arrangement that Spin magazine ranked in October 2000 as #63 on their list of the "100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock"

No, that fine upstanding citizen would only lie to his wives, never the government. 

as I recall he did this with the hawaiin girl while married.

he fell in lust, this is a recurring problem for lots of repubs.   for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

[john]

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[The Anvil]

for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

Which is sad because if they'd JUST PAY THEIR cursed HOOKERS...

[hotglue #43]

looks like the feds are digging. he's in trouble now.

Well the timeline doesn't follow the Obama comments, it preceeds them. I think this was in the works long before that.

And from what I can see he's getting off easy.

So.... this is because he killed a black bear????
what if he killed a white bear.... or a red bear... or a yellow bear....or a brown bear....
  pretty much a  witch hunt.... wow....

[PAVALKER]

for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

Which is sad because if they'd JUST PAY THEIR cursed HOOKERS...

John Edwards  

[The Anvil]

for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

Which is sad because if they'd JUST PAY THEIR cursed HOOKERS...

John Edwards  

Yeah and not get them pregnant.

Facts:

The bear had every right to be there.
The Nuge was armed.
The bear was unarmed (not counting the claws and teeth and bear-like strength that come with being a bear)...

That's all I can think of at the moment.

[PAVALKER]

for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

Which is sad because if they'd JUST PAY THEIR cursed HOOKERS...

John Edwards  

Yeah and not get them pregnant.

Facts:

The bear had every right to be there.
The Nuge was armed.
The bear was unarmed (not counting the claws and teeth and bear-like strength that come with being a bear)...

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Don't speculate....  the bear could have been packin.  Didn't NBC report that the bear was packing the weapons of the previous hunter he had dinner with (or had for dinner).  I think they are editing the footage now to be broadcast in an upcoming news report.

[The Anvil]

This is the pic of the dead bear that MSNBC has up.



Poor cuddly little thing...

[cookiedough]

Not a huge fan of Nugent, but he knew there was blood at the spot and hit the bear but no blood trail.  According to the laws, he probably knew the law and so did the people he hired to help him hunt.  I don't agree either with his comment about the 'evil, American hating'  President/administration.  Sometimes he needs to keep his mouth shut which he cannot due. 
If he didn't have the shot on tape and aired, this whole conversation and topic would not be held.  Ted made that mistake and he is paying for it although with a slap on the wrist if you ask me. 

Ted Nugent views are a little radical and hopefully he will tone down his words in the future, but doubt it.  He surely likes to shoot at just about anything that is moving and to cheat on Charmain, his queen of the woods wife, is just plain crazy - she is hot!

[The Anvil]

for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

Which is sad because if they'd JUST PAY THEIR cursed HOOKERS...

John Edwards  

Yeah and not get them pregnant.

Facts:

The bear had every right to be there.
The Nuge was armed.
The bear was unarmed (not counting the claws and teeth and bear-like strength that come with being a bear)...

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Don't speculate....  the bear could have been packin.  Didn't NBC report that the bear was packing the weapons of the previous hunter he had dinner with (or had for dinner).  I think they are editing the footage now to be broadcast in an upcoming news report.

Well, bees in the area have been reporting a lot of hive break-ins by black bears. Ted had reason to be suspicious.

[cookiedough]

It's a shame though that the concert at Fort Knox though is not going to allow Ted Nugent to play for the troops.  Although, how many armed forces were even born when Nugent, Reo Speedwagon, and the Styx were rockin in their hayday?   As Obama is commander in chief, I am sure he had something to say about it. 
I think Obama and Nugent should go on one of those talk shows and discuss it in public, like that would ever happen.  I can guarantee you the ratings would eclipse any talk show in any decade ever.  Maybe after the show or even during, Ted Nugent would then be locked up for good?  I agree with his basic viewpoints, but he goes over the top more often than not.

[The Anvil]

and to cheat on Charmain, his queen of the woods wife, is just plain crazy - she is hot!

Not to mention dishonorable. Do wedding vows mean nothing to him? That is an oath taken on your personal honor. There are people out there who feel that rules should apply to others and not them. This whole incident (with the bear) is PERFECTLY CONSISTENT with Nugent's prior actions and character makeup as a libertine.

Take his stance on drugs for instance. He makes a big to-do about never having tried drugs or alcohol (a suspect claim). But wouldn't his sex addiction qualify as a drug of sorts? It's certainly an addiction, a weakness. But this is another common trait among "conservative" mouthpieces; do as I say, not as I do (I'm looking you YOU Rush Limbaugh).

BTW, if accurate: it would seem that this is not his first violation of F&G regulations; In September 2009, Nugent embarked on a hunt near Somerset, El Dorado County, California. He was accompanied by a guide and a cameraman, filming for his Outdoor Channel show "Spirit of the Wild." The video taken appeared in an episode of the show first broadcast on February 9, 2010. California Fish and Game wardens who watched the broadcast noticed that it showed Nugent killing a very young buck which had been attracted by commercial bait. Both the killing of such a young deer and the use of bait are crimes under California state law. On August 13, 2010, he pled no contest in Yuba County to two misdemeanors: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a deer tag signed by a government official after a kill. He was fined USD $1,750 by the court and is banned from hunting in California until June 2012.

He's also a warhawk but avoided going to Vietnam? Hmm. That's pretty consistent with some other "conservatives". This stuff can't be true. I just don't think it's possible to be this much of a hypocrite; In 2006, an interviewer from the British newspaper The Independent questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview in High Times magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam draft.[51] In the interview Nugent says, contrary to the story in High Times, that "I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College.". However, the Selective Service classification for student deferment is actually 2-S, and medical deferment is 1-Y. A copy of Nugent's Selective Service record shows that he had at separate times both a 1-Y medical deferment and 2-S student deferment.

Full disclosure: I'm getting this from Wikipedia so if anyone can find anything credible to counter it then I'm all ears.

[The Anvil]

It's a shame though that the concert at Fort Knox though is not going to allow Ted Nugent to play for the troops.

Especially because he IS a fantastic guitar player and showman. All of his idiocy would not keep me from watching him play. A Ted Nugent show is a good time.

[musclehead]

for the Dems, well it's all about the money.

Which is sad because if they'd JUST PAY THEIR cursed HOOKERS...

who the Dems? they DO pay (with other peoples money)

[Jeff K]

Love how the dems play this up like Ted is the spokes person for the republican party.

If that is the case the dems have their own nut bag, chocked full of liberal loonies Democrat  representatives.

I mean bat crap crazy libs. They pal around with foreign dictators for crying out loud.
They have mufti-millionaires marching around, bitching about the rich having too much money!?

I'd list them but good grief there are HUNDREDS of them!

 

So if crazy Uncle Ted says something off the wall that you don't like... big deal?

 

[Gavin_Sons]

BIG FREEKING DEAL Why are you even bringing this up Anvil. Who cares.

  I got to side with MP on this one. How would you know you wounded a animal if you cant find a blood trail? Huh.  Hunting is not an exact science especially bow hunting. Many things can lead to a miss or non fatal shot. Have you ever hunted with a bow? (oh wait you probable have and  probable shot everything known to man,since you know it all).  If I was not sure of a fatal shot I would probable keep hunting too. Don't tell me you wouldnt. Just saying.......

 
I would keep hunting if i couldnt find a blood trail. I have been bow hunting since the age of 12. And have only lost 2 deer. Yes i felt bad about it, but that is part of hunting. If alaska dosent like it, dont have a hunting season for the bears. Ted isnt the only one that has ever done that, i guarantee you that.

[MAD6Gun]

 This thread has turned into a pile on Ted Nugent slam (at least for Anvil). Get over it WHO F@@KING CARES. I could care less what Ted has done or not done. He is a great spokesman for the NRA. He does not take crap from anyone. PERIOD. I Like that...

 As far as his so called sex addiction. SO WHAT. He didn't brake any laws. Morals maybe but not laws. He is not any different than any other rock musician in that regard and you know it.  Except for the fact that he has never done drugs or alcohol. Gene Simmons is the same way. Very rare to find in that field of work.. Yea both of their actions are reprehensible,but I would take more stock with what THEY had to say than listen to some strung-out POS like Vince Neal for example. Been busted for drunk driving twice and got off both times (one crash resulting in a death). Should I keep going ?

[BamaDrifter64]

Read this entire thread...and all I can come up with is...

Anvil has a hard-on for the Nuge....

[The Anvil]

BIG FREEKING DEAL Why are you even bringing this up Anvil. Who cares.

  I got to side with MP on this one. How would you know you wounded a animal if you cant find a blood trail? Huh.  Hunting is not an exact science especially bow hunting. Many things can lead to a miss or non fatal shot. Have you ever hunted with a bow? (oh wait you probable have and  probable shot everything known to man,since you know it all).  If I was not sure of a fatal shot I would probable keep hunting too. Don't tell me you wouldnt. Just saying.......

 
I would keep hunting if i couldnt find a blood trail. I have been bow hunting since the age of 12. And have only lost 2 deer. Yes i felt bad about it, but that is part of hunting. If alaska dosent like it, dont have a hunting season for the bears. Ted isnt the only one that has ever done that, i guarantee you that.

Yeah but Ted had the bad sense to film it. I can't have any sympathy for that kind of dumb.

[The Anvil]

He is a great spokesman for the NRA.

No he has not. His type of looney talk and foaming at the mouth vitriol does not help the NRA. Not one bit. In fact it hurts us.

[Jeff K]

Read this entire thread...and all I can come up with is...

Anvil has a hard-on for the Nuge....

Actually Anvil has a hard on for anyone and anything that doesn't follow his thought pattern verbatim. 

[MAD6Gun]

He is a great spokesman for the NRA.

No he has not. His type of looney talk and foaming at the mouth vitriol does not help the NRA. Not one bit. In fact it hurts us.

 THAT is your opinion. Mine is we need more people like him to stand up to these liberal anti-gun ass holes that want to take away our guns. We need more people to stand up and say "you want our guns,than come and get em". If you want to stand there and wait for your savior Obama to win in Nov and than come for your guns next year be my guest.

 I am a proud LIFE (endowment) member of the NRA. Have been for many years now. I have been around guns all my life. My father was teaching me gun safety at a very young age. Was shooting  44 mags at age 9. I am also a NRA firearm safety instructor. Why am I telling you this? Because I am proud of who I am and proud of the country I live in. I feel Obama and his cronies are taking our country away from us piece by piece. IF you don't believe that than you have your head in the sand or somewhere else the sun don't shine.

 Just this morning I was reading the paper and there was a letter to the Editor stating that the NRA is to blame for the so called gun problem in this country. I was Furious when I read this. WTF is wrong with this guy. Blaming us and the NRA for gun violence  is like blaming the big three for car crashes or the alcohol companies for DWIs. But these Idiots are out there and they Vote.

  Yea Ted has a big mouth but I don't care. If one of these yahoos like McCarthy,Fienstien,Shummer and Obama get the hint that we are not going to sit back and let them take our guns away like was done in Australia and England it was worth it. If you don't believe its coming than why don't you give them all your guns right now......

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Concerning Ted, I agree with Mad6gun 100%. Ted is exactly the kind of "bigger than life" spokesman we need and I think he was only telling the truth about what could happen to many of us if the supreme court falls into the hands of the brady bunch, which is likely to happen if we get a 2'nd obama term.

The other thing I like about Ted is that he is a meat hunter just as I am. I know many people who are hunting antlers when they hunt deer. Personally, I think when carried to extreme that trophy cult mentality can lead people to make unethical decisions. In particular, when they let hunting become a contest between themselves and other hunters. Nugent sets a better example for kids and adults in this respect than most of the trophy hunters who occupy the airwaves.

And don't misunderstand me, there is nothing wrong with hunting big bucks if you're an ethical and honest hunter. Myself, I'm a deer hunter, not a trophy hunter. I've killed well over 50 deer I'm sure, some were small bucks, one or two fair bucks, and, many, many does. Two nice does in the freezer are more important to me than a buck on the wall.

Now that I don't have 4 kids at home to feed, I let the small bucks walk and haven't taken anything but does in years. When the kids were young, I couldn't afford to let a legal deer walk and I seldom did. Now, if I have an opportunity to take a really big buck, I'll take it, otherwise it's just does for the freezer and time well spent under Gods gorgeous skys.

[The Anvil]

THAT is your opinion.

No, THAT is a fact. His act does not fly with rational people who are undecided about the 2nd Amendment and in fact reflects badly on those of us who CAN argue for it rationally.

[czuch]

Uncle Ted will be at the Pima county fair Saturday.
 I'll be there and it will be my 37th NUGE-O-RAMA.
First was CalJam, 1973.
Nobody speaks for me, but I do like the cut of his jib.

[G-Man]

fathered a few kids out of wedlock (while married to someone else I believe)

Who, Dr. Martin Luther King?  Jessie Jackson?  Malcolm X?  John Edwards? 

[The Anvil]

fathered a few kids out of wedlock (while married to someone else I believe)

Who, Dr. Martin Luther King?  Jessie Jackson?  Malcolm X?  John Edwards? 

So much for ignoring me! 

[sugerbear]

THAT is your opinion.

No, THAT is a fact. His act does not fly with rational people who are undecided about the 2nd Amendment and in fact reflects badly on those of us who CAN argue for it rationally.

and THAT is YOUR opinion