Tires and Ride-On

[Crashgordon74]

Two questions. Anyone running Bridgestones and at what pressures? Also do you remove the balance weights after installing Ride-On?

[hubcapsc]

I don't run Bridgestones, but I took my weights off when I put in the Ride-On... still
rides good...

-Mike

[JaysGone]

I dont use Slipstones anymore.
But do use Ride-On in all my vehicle tires.
Depending on the profile of the tire, low as in 45 or 50 series I leave on the weights.
High profile over 60 I dont.
With a bike tire I use the whole bottle, front or rear.
Doesnt matter if its 10oz or 16 ozs.
Works the same. For me.

[X Ring]

Considering the motorcycle formula is only available in 8 oz bottles you'd be under dosing your tires if you used one bottle.  The normal dose for the front tire is 9 oz with the severe usage/balancing amount is 12 oz.  The rear tire requires 11 oz and 14 oz for severe usage/balancing.

Marty

ETA:  I'm running the severe usage/balancing amount in the tires on my I/S and there are no weights on the wheels.

[Crashgordon74]

O.k. I've been running 38 front and 40 rear. Jury is still out on the balancing with Ride-On. Sometimes it feels like I still have a vibration or maybe it's wheel hop. At this point I can't tell if it's bad asphalt or the tires. There are times when things feel super smooth so I'm inclined to think some of the vibes are from the road surface. 

[JaysGone]

Considering the motorcycle formula is only available in 8 oz bottles you'd be under dosing your tires if you used one bottle.  The normal dose for the front tire is 9 oz with the severe usage/balancing amount is 12 oz.  The rear tire requires 11 oz and 14 oz for severe usage/balancing.

Marty

ETA:  I'm running the severe usage/balancing amount in the tires on my I/S and there are no weights on the wheels.

Marty
I dont use motorcycle tires.
I do as a rule leave the lead weights on the rears if its done right.
Then add a full bottle.
If its 12 ozs for a regular tire then thats what I put in.
One bottle per tire. Never looked at the label truthfully.
Ill look and see what size bottles I have on the way out this morning to be sure.
I originally started to use Ride-On to balance tires.
Not for flat protection.

[JaysGone]

Considering the motorcycle formula is only available in 8 oz bottles you'd be under dosing your tires if you used one bottle.  The normal dose for the front tire is 9 oz with the severe usage/balancing amount is 12 oz.  The rear tire requires 11 oz and 14 oz for severe usage/balancing.

Marty

ETA:  I'm running the severe usage/balancing amount in the tires on my I/S and there are no weights on the wheels.

This is from Ride-Ons site for car tirs which is what I use on my bikes
"Inovex Industries recommends that if you are installing Ride-On TPS into new tires, you first dynamically balance them on a balancer BEFORE you install the Ride-On sealant into the tires"

And this is how I buy it.
Ride-On Auto Formula Tire Sealant Kit
with 6 16-0z. Bottles

So obviously its different for bikes and I never knew there was a Motor cycle formula.

My bad I guess.

[X Ring]

The m/c formula is thinner so it flows up the side as you're cornering or taking curves.  They also recommend you use it if you're running a c/t.  The reason they have the balancing amount is so you don't have to put those ugly weights on your wheels.

Marty

[salty1]

I would remove the weights. This is what Ride On's literature says:

"Balance - With one installation of Ride-On, lead weights become a thing of the past. While Ride-On works in conjunction with traditional weights, you won’t need them anymore. Ride-On is specially formulated to hydrodynamically balance high-speed tires and dampen road noise and vibrations that cause a rough ride. The great thing is Ride-On will continue to adjust and literally rebalance your tires as you ride for the legal life of the tires. So go ahead, pop off those wheel weights, shine your wheels, and enjoy the smoothest ride you have ever experienced on your bike."

[JaysGone]

Both you and Marty are correct....to a degree.
I have spoken with their techs, they recomend leaving the weights on when the are new lower profile tires.
Like 35,45 series.
100% needed NOPE, but can be left on.
If they pop off on their own.
The Ride-On simply rebalances the tire.
As Im using CTs on both my bikes.
I out of lazyness nothing more.
Went by the chart said to myself close enough for horse shoes and handgranades and just dump 16 ozs into each tire,'The smallest I run is a 150-70-17 rear on the front of the Valk.
A 150-70-16 on the R* and LT 195-65-16s on both bikes in the rear. Both sizes need on near 16ozs.
All is well and I have no complaints.
In 30K+ miles. I did have a brass brad in the rear on the R* in a section of tread.
I removed it and had no air loss.
So I dont even know if it punctured the tire as is???

The other time I had a flat was with a brand new less then 200 mile rear Metzler.
However it was in the side wall. The tire went flat and stayed flat after adding air.
So I tossed out that tire.

[X Ring]

Both you and Marty are correct....to a degree.
I have spoken with their techs, they recomend leaving the weights on when the are new lower profile tires.
Like 35,45 series.

Jay this is the Technical Board of a MOTORCYCLE forum not a sports car forum.  The reference to low profile tires does not apply to us.  Our remarks were strictly dealing with the use of Ride On in tires used on Valkyries.

Marty

[JaysGone]

Marty
I use a CT on my Valk as many others here do.
A 55 series tire is considered a low profile tire.
Many here use a 195-55-16, and 205-55.
I was told by Ride-Ons CS that leaving the weights on a motor cycle rim do no harm.
I was also advised by Ride Ons CS folks that even when using a CT on a motorcycle to use the Motor cycle specific formula rather then the car formula also due to tire dynamics
Just some more TECHNICAL information related to Ride-On and Valks in general.
That DOES NOT APPLY to YOU.
Your welcome.

[X Ring]

Marty
I use a CT on my Valk as many others here do.  What do you think that DS # below my avatar pic stands for.  I've been running car tires on Valks before you had a Valk
A 55 series tire is considered a low profile tire.  Not really.  Lots of cars are running it.
Many here use a 195-55-16, and 205-55.  205 is a lot more popular than 195 because there is more tire selection
I was told by Ride-Ons CS that leaving the weights on a motor cycle rim do no harm.  Big surprise there.  It's stated on their website
I was also advised by Ride Ons CS folks that even when using a CT on a motorcycle to use the Motor cycle specific formula rather then the car formula also due to tire dynamics  I can show other threads where I pointed that out so you must have contacted them in the past couple of days.  In facr, if you look at my post in this thread on May 14 at 6:31 a.m., I said it then.
Just some more TECHNICAL information related to Ride-On and Valks in general.
That DOES NOT APPLY to YOU.
Your welcome.

Why would I thank you for information I already knew or provided to you?  Talked with a friend from another forum today that knows you.  Said you have a particular M.O. of asking for information and when people show you where to find it you get upset because you weren't given the information.  Sounds awfully familiar.  Like your progressive shock thread where John and I gave you the info to figure it out for yourself.  That wasn't good enough for you.  Like many in our society, you want to be given things on a silver platter and not work for it or learn where to find the information for yourself.  You don't have to wonder if I will be helping you in the future.  I won't.

Marty    

[JaysGone]

I know who that is and the forum as well.
And yes you two are peas in a pod.
Pomposity glorified.
Im also on other forums where when a question is asked the answer its given freely.
And not with the suggestion to use search.
Not everyone myself included is very good with that particular feature.
I dont expect to be given anything but a straight answer here.
If you dont know it or arent willing to share your knowledge.
Well then dont worry.
I wont be asking it from you.

This better be the end of this Marty.
Your right I have no time for it.

[Crashgordon74]

Knock it off or you kids will go straight to bed without dinner!!!!!!! 

[JaysGone]

I agree.
Im done said my piece.

[Firefighter]

I installed the motorcycle formula following the directions. Took off the weights and rode the bike. Has been a couple of years now and have had no problems. I used Ride-on because I wanted no flats, but the balance feature was icing. I plan to use again and again.

[hubcapsc]

I plan to use again and again.

I looked for a Ride On couple of places in Greenville today, one place where they sell
Ducatis and BMWs (I sat on a Multistrada and a Diavel, and a 6 cyl BMW)...

They didn't have any Ride On. When I left they were reading Daniel Meyer's
write up and the Ride On web page...

-Mike "I think they were pretty skeptical about old Hondas with hi-way pegs too..."

[Oss]

dont forget the code for 10% off valkyrieowner

at least I think thats it 

Oss

[Earl in Pensacola]

Question::  What ever happened to good old fashioned proper wheel balancing???  We should not need any liquid "in-the-tire" balancing stuff!!

For many years, I never experienced tire bounce from a new tire that had been balanced.

Is it possible that the problem is the person doing the balancing (not taking the time or caring enough to do it right) and or the balancing machines (regardles of how high-tech they may look) are simply not doing a good job.  I have noticed that machines don't spin-up the tire very fast.  They look to me to be at the most maybe 50 mph!!     

[hubcapsc]

Question::  What ever happened to good old fashioned proper wheel balancing???  We should not need any liquid "in-the-tire" balancing stuff!!

I use a Marc Parnes static balancer, I think it works great.

I wouldn't use Ride On as a balancer.

But I'm sold on how it prevents some flats.

-Mike "and it balances, too..."

[X Ring]

Flat prevention is the primary reason for using Ride On.  Balancing is a secondary benefit.

Marty

[F6MoRider]

Earl, I don't use Ride-on.  I do use the ceramic beads to balance my motorcycle tires, car and trailer tires, too.  

I use an alternative balancing option because motorcycle dealers often don't balance new tires; they align the dot and the valve stem, they say they did but didn't, they want to move too much money from my hand to theirs (because I didn't buy it there), or they say it's not needed on a motorcycle.  Tires need balancing.

As I change my own tires, and as I repair my flats (plug patch) that fall within the manufacturers recommended thresholds for repair and because dealers won't, at least here in central Florida, balancing the tire outside of a dealer option is a necessary thing.  Weights fly off and tires wear irregularly and quickly on the motorcycle adding to the need to rebalance during the life of the tread.

 You shouldn't mix the beads and liquid balancing products and I shy away from tire sealants because of long past issues but the Ride-on intrigues me, especially its flat recovery capabilities partnered with balancing.  I also enjoy reading about the experiences of others.  I won't live long enough to be able to make all the mistakes in life so I try to learn from those of others.

[bscrive]

I have Bridgestones and I put Ride-on in this year.  What a big difference with the Ride-on.  Much smoother than with weights and I suspect it will stay that way.  With regular weights, once the tire starts to wear uneven it will continue to wear even more unevenly.  With the Ride-on it supposed to constantly re-balance the tire.