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Poor Ol Harry
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« on: May 17, 2012, 03:59:57 PM » |
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I was told my 99 IS / 60 k was HYDROLOCKED ....I trailered it home,pulled all 6 plugs & spun it over.....I saw 1 little tiny speck of liquid fly out of the center cylender on the throttle side & not a trace of liquid on the other side.First I thought it was only the starter spinning.......then I put a fingeg over the spark plug holes & felt the compression & was releived !? When I was approched with this hydrolock situation the bike was on the side stand & the 2... to the rear plugs on the shifter side were out.The mechanic wanted me to see the gas in those 2 cyls......but I told him I beleived him & I didn't need see.As I read #6 is comes up often & I don't know which is which YET......but I soon will.So........once a petcock begins to leak....does it ever stop or is in done? I don't think mine is leaking NOW but it's getting replaced.I plan to raise or remove the tank so's I can service the air filter. Where & what to look for or replace concerning vacume lines while tank is off? THANKS HARRY
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Gear Jammer
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 04:30:07 PM » |
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#6 cylinder is the rearmost on the shifter side of engine. Replacing the petcock is easy. New they run about $130,, and rebuild kits go for about $20 . Not difficult to rebuild if you pay attention to where the parts go, and what order. good luck
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valkyriemc
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 05:17:42 PM » |
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FYI, there are hundreds of posts on this subject going back through the current tech board into the old tech board. Just use the search function for hydrolock and petcock. You can purchase an another OEM from Honda, rebuild your current OEM p/c or purchase an after market p/c. I've done all three. And then you have to get into those carbs, clean the gas tank, and its in tank" filter" and possibly add a decent ( high flow, high filtration) after market gas filter. Done that too. http://www.valkyrieforum.com/forum/tech_archive.cgi |
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Patrick
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 03:22:18 AM » |
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OK Harry, so you were told you were fuel-locked.. How do you know that ?? What was/were the symptoms ?? How many times did you press the starter button ??
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 04:29:32 AM » |
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#6 cylinder is the rearmost on the shifter side of engine. Replacing the petcock is easy. New they run about $130,, and rebuild kits go for about $20 . Not difficult to rebuild if you pay attention to where the parts go, and what order. good luck
The rebuild comes out at around $50 if you get a new in-tank fuel filter too, and then, add shipping... But it's not hard, and if you have not already damaged the gears at the starter and if you do have a bad petcock, it will be the best $50 you could spend.... the important vacuum line goes straight from the petcock to the #6 intake runner, so it is easy to know for sure which one it is. There's an easy test you can do after you rebuild your petcock, but before you put it back on the tank described here: http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/petcock.htmAfter you put the petcock back on the tank, but before you put the tank back on the bike, you can observe that no gas comes out at any petcock setting, unless you put a vacuum on the petcock vacuum line, in which case gas should come out at "on" and at "reserve"... Good luck! -Mike |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 05:36:49 AM » |
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If you are going to remedy the real problem and greatly reduce your chances for a future hydrolock its not only the fuel valve you need to be concerned with. If every component was working right you should be able to run the fuel line directly to the carbs and still not get locked.
First I am a firm believer that that OEM petcock does not deserve a place on a Valkyrie.....in my opinion its just junk. So wether you replace it or repair it, thats only half the problem
Next if I had a hydrolock Id remove the entire carb bank and clean/ replace components that werent perfect especially floats and needle valves. Pretty much if a hydrolock on a Valkyrie occurs a float/needle valve failed.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 08:50:05 AM » |
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Sitting on bike :left 2-4-6
Right 1-3-5
That is front to back.
Shortleg[Dave]
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Poor Ol Harry
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 11:55:41 AM » |
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Patrick , let put a little more out there.....I got rhe $600.00 + carb job 8 monthe ago. It began to stumble @ lower speeds & would not idel.........I took it in & the shop wanted to ck. for vacume problem.....I left it & they called with a price to do carbs......I declined & told them I would pick it up.That was noon Sat. ...so I got there on Tue. AM.......that is when I was told of HYDROLOCKE........so I never touched the button till I (trailered) it home & had all 6 plugs out.......but I have wondered how they discovered it without hurting the motor.......but at that time I was just toooo frustrared to discuss it.Thanks for ur concern. HARRY
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 12:31:28 PM » |
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That is a truly sad story.
I would suggest trying like hell to get them to accept responsibility.
A lawyer might be a remedy!
It's doubtful they have any certified mechanics which puts them in a very libel situation.
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 05:43:09 PM » |
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A lawyer is gonna cost you a lot more than $600 or the cost of repair if it was a damaging hydrolock. You might try threatening them with a lawyer and see how they react. Other than that...well, I feel your pain. I think most of us have been there which is why many wrench their own bikes.
You never did confirm a hydrolock did you? I believe you said you spun the engine over with no plugs? Hopefully that would indicate that the starter and gears are okay. After verifying that the petcock is working right, you can put a vacuum on it to open it and see if any of the floats leak statically. But it sounds like you may have to rebuild the carbs or at least replace the slow jets. You can do it yourself.
Its really not that difficult. I just finished rebuilding mine and tomorrow I'll start stacking the bank back together. Thank God for this forum cause it where I get most of my help.
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Patrick
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 05:48:28 PM » |
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Ok, so the shop told you of the fuel-lock.. What does that mean ?? Did the fuel-lock happen with them or did they say it happened prior to them looking at it.. Did a fuel-lock ever happen with you ?? Did you get the bike from the shop with the sparklers removed or did you remove them once back home ?? If there is no fuel in a cylinder and the engine spins over with no sign of damage then I wouldn't pay much attention to what the shop said and if you don't want to do the work yourself I'd recommend looking for another.. All this said, when starting just tap the start button and if it ever stops spinning with a 'CLANK' ,,, stop... Don't hit the button again until the cylinders are cleared..
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John U.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 08:34:04 PM » |
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I agree with Patrick and Dozer. If the starter will spin the engine then no damage has been done. There is a very good chance the the hydrolock report from the dealer is BS.
It sounds to me like that hydrolock story was a last ditch effort on the part of the dealer's shop to lighten your wallet after you refused their carb job price. Pull the plugs fill a cylinder or two with gas and get you to look at it, then reel you in.
Either buy a shop manual and do your own work or at the very least find an honest shop.
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Poor Ol Harry
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2012, 09:44:32 PM » |
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Patrick, that means if I ever buy as much as a can of polish from those folks.....I must be a tree climbing ,nut cracking SQUIRREL !!!! & deserve everything I get from them. I rode the bike to them & the mechanic rode it into the shop.The next day they called me with carb report.2 days later I went to get it.......waited !/2 hr. & the girl said I needed to come back & see my hydrolocked bike.....it was on sidestand with # 4 & 6 plugs out for me to see.I did not look & told him to leave it alone & I would handel it.......when I got back with trailer it was sitting outside with plugs in it......I took it home & pulled the plugs....it has never hydrolocked with me & I don't beleive it did then either.....but when someone yells WOLF... I'me running !! I don't mind working on it.......just weak in back,hips & knees & eyes....but when I get to where I can't ..........I need to have a sale.In fact if I ever get this bike on the ground.....it's for sale as I have a IS trike as well & I sure don't need 2 HYDROLOCKERS no more than I ride these days.I plan to start it this weekend & if all is well......I'me going after the petcock & carbs. Thanks to ALL for support & advise . I'll make you proud
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Poor Ol Harry
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2012, 09:58:04 PM » |
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John.....looks like you Pat & Dozer & I are on the same page.I have ordered 2 manuels Clymer & Honda.......& if I can't fix I can't ride it!!!!!!!!! Every thing you said in your post is pretty much where I'me at!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for your input HARRY
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