General Motors is becoming China Motors

[Grumpy]

This sucks, after we spend Billions of  US tax payers dollars bailing their ass out. They are building 7 out of 10. vehicles in China. I personally will never buy another GM vehicle from the commies.  

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[Serk]

I too will never buy GM, but for different reasons (That they took the Obama bribe money), but... Since the majority of the cars they SELL are sold in China, it actually makes sense that the majority of them are made there...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/01/general-motors-sells-record-2-5m-vehicles-in-china/

[Patrick]

At this point I will not buy a GM product..  The info I come up with shows them closing 14 US plants, 2 in Canada and using stimulus money, of which they refuse to pay back 30 Billion, to move and build more factories in other countries.. Their statement is that they can not afford the union wages and benefits as well as the ultra-restrictive US regulations.. They have also lobbied congress to increase the federal fuel tax to $1/gal in an effort to force more of those Volts down our throats.. The folks I really feel for are all the non-union workers whose lives were destroyed by these practices..
Its seems really odd that the US factories are being moved out of this country and the ' foreign ' companies are building factories here..
I'm looking for a new truck.. Of the ' big three ' ,, equally equipped,, Chevy is more expensive than Ford or Dodge.. Must be the importation taxes..
Don't get me wrong, GM isn't the only one doing this.. It appears to me that they just do it more than the others right now.. I don't think there is such a thing as an American vehicle today..

[solo1]

Just for info, the Getrag 6 speed manual tranny in the current Ford Mustang, is made in China.  

I think that the 2012 GT Mustang is a great sporty coupe but now this?   I understand that there are reliiability problems with the tranny.  

Looks like our domestic car mfrs are getting on the bandwagon to kiss China's arse.  I do not like the government of China since I'm a Korean war veteran and their government is the same as it was in 1952,

In a similiar subject, a friend sent me this T shirt

[Serk]

Its seems really odd that the US factories are being moved out of this country and the ' foreign ' companies are building factories here..

Yup... Very odd... Helps explain how we got to this point though:

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade0611

Most "Made in America" new car you can buy? A Toyota Camry. Most "Made in America" truck you can buy? Toyota Tundra...

[Momz]

Solo1
 Mustangs are built in Rockwood MI by Mazda.

[solo1]

Momz, I didn't know that but have no problem with Japan as I'm still riding Japanese bikes. By the way, I thought that Ford divested themselves of Mazda stock not too long ago.

 My problem is with China and as noted, the tranny is made in China. 

[Momz]

I've owned more Ford products than any other vehicles. I have a Chevy truck and once owned a Pontiac.
I've owned VWs, Fiats, Renaults, a Mitzubishi and even an NSU.

My next vehicle will be a Dodge Ram Express. Made right here in Sterling Heights MI. by American union labor.

[Skinhead]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,42646.msg404467

I posted this as a response the first time this was posted:

FTIW, Here is GM's response to that video:

GM – An American Company
 
You might have seen an inflammatory video that suggests GM is positioning itself to become "China Motors," which simply is not true. Comments made by GM Chairman and CEO Dan Akerson were grossly exaggerated and taken out of context to support this claim.

Here are a few facts that you can share with your circle of influence to dispel this rumor: 


GM’s global policy is to “build where we sell.” The benefit of this practice lowers the cost of the vehicle for the consumer. GM does business in more than 120 countries.

Roughly 70 percent of GM sales are generated outside of the U.S. In most cases, those vehicles are not exported to the U.S.
There are no vehicles imported from China to the U.S. Every Chevrolet sold in the U.S., with the exception of the Spark, is built in North America. However, there are some vehicles (the Chevy Volt, Buick Enclave and Cadillac SRX, CTS and Escalade) that are exported from the U.S. to China. 

GM started doing business in China in the 1920s and exited the market following the 1949 Chinese Revolution. GM returned to the country in the late 1990s in partnership with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. (SAIC) and formed the Shanghai GM (SGM) joint venture (JV) to produce Buicks in China. Other auto manufacturers like Ford, VW and BMW are now racing to the China market in order to play catch up to GM's sales success.

GM did not use U.S. government bailout money to build its manufacturing footprint in China. Since the bankruptcy, GM has announced investments at 30 U.S. facilities totaling more than $7.1 billion, which created or retained 17,800 jobs.

GM emerged from bankruptcy as a more nimble and robust company. GM employs 77,000 people in the U.S. and 205,000 people globally.

In order to do business in China, every manufacturer must have a JV partnership with a Chinese company. GM has strategic partnerships in 30 countries, including China, that positions the GM brand as a leading automaker in the world’s largest and fastest-growing automotive markets.

Last year, a Chinese patriotic film, The Birth of the Party, was produced to recognize the 90th anniversary of the communist party. The film was sponsored by SGM, not GM. SGM is a company owned jointly by GM and SAIC, one of the world’s largest industrial companies. As part of the sponsorships, Cadillac SLS vehicles were provided to transport the crew and actors. These vehicles were not filmed in the movie itself. GM did not endorse the film and does not have operational control of SGM.

[Grumpy]

I've owned more Ford products than any other vehicles. I have a Chevy truck and once owned a Pontiac.
I've owned VWs, Fiats, Renaults, a Mitzubishi and even an NSU.

My next vehicle will be a Dodge Ram Express. Made right here in Sterling Heights MI. by American union labor.

I have a 2500 Ram Quad cab, and love it, has been a very reliable truck. But it is not made in the US, dammed near every thing on it is made in Mexico.

[BigAl]

Well if your looking for a vehicle that is made of every part that was made in the USA.

You will not find one.

Pragmatic as it may sound, you should buy from American Companies to ensure you are giving

a job to at least some Americans.

Buying from a foriegn company will ensure the least amount of return to our country as far as dollars that stay here.

But Harleys were once built in Japan and that's a fact Jack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikuo_Motorcycle



Kinda favors my Fatboy

[scoot]

I've owned more Ford products than any other vehicles. I have a Chevy truck and once owned a Pontiac.
I've owned VWs, Fiats, Renaults, a Mitzubishi and even an NSU.

My next vehicle will be a Dodge Ram Express. Made right here in Sterling Heights MI. by American union labor.

I have a 2500 Ram Quad cab, and love it, has been a very reliable truck. But it is not made in the US, dammed near every thing on it is made in Mexico.

From Wiki: The Ram is currently built at Saltillo Truck Assembly in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico; Saint Louis Assembly North in Fenton, Missouri, United States; and Warren Truck Assembly in Warren, Michigan, United States.

[cookiedough]

Well if your looking for a vehicle that is made of every part that was made in the USA.

You will not find one.

Pragmatic as it may sound, you should buy from American Companies to ensure you are giving

a job to at least some Americans.

Buying from a foriegn company will ensure the least amount of return to our country as far as dollars that stay here.

But Harleys were once built in Japan and that's a fact Jack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikuo_Motorcycle



Kinda favors my Fatboy

What do you mean to not buy from a Foreign Company and buy from an American Company so you give a job to an American citizen?

Everyone of my chevy silverados, 10+, were built in Mexico or Canada.  All 3 of my toyota tundras were built in Texas employing Americans and yet some say Toyota is a Foreign Company.  Please explain yourself?  I can see a German car built in Germany with mostly German or Japan parts as Foreign, but no longer are the Big 3 more American than Honda or Toyota nowadays.  Personally, I have seen the Big 3 in more recent years ship jobs overseas and assembly plants more overseas to build their vehicles vs. Toyota doing just the opposite employing Americans in North American plants with more American made parts than the Big 3 (chrysler, GM, and Ford).  Sad, but true.

[Buda]

  Its not just GM that does this....I work for Cat and I'd be willing to bet their stats (as far as what gets built where) are not all that different.

[cookiedough]

 Its not just GM that does this....I work for Cat and I'd be willing to bet their stats (as far as what gets built where) are not all that different.

I'm sure, sad but true like stated. 

Disgraces me that I work for a company that 96% of their non-food products in inventory comes from China shipped over on a freighter all boxed up for pennies on the dollar and mark it up 200-300% to make a profit.  20 years ago food sales employing 'real' Americans locally were 80% of the companies business but now non-food China junk make up 80% of sales.  ONLY until us American stop buying that junk will companies wise up and get back to quality food/merchandise. I may work there but don't agree what the upper mgmt. has been doing the past 20+ years just to make a quick buck and line their pockets and still pay us piddly inventoring non food merchandise.  We even had once a speaking doll and I swear when we tested it the voice sounded almost like Chinese to me, definitely not an American citizen recording the voice. 

[BigAl]

What do you mean to not buy from a Foreign Company and buy from an American Company so you give a job to an American citizen?

Everyone of my chevy silverados, 10+, were built in Mexico or Canada.  All 3 of my toyota tundras were built in Texas employing Americans and yet some say Toyota is a Foreign Company.  Please explain yourself?  I can see a German car built in Germany with mostly German or Japan parts as Foreign, but no longer are the Big 3 more American than Honda or Toyota nowadays.  Personally, I have seen the Big 3 in more recent years ship jobs overseas and assembly plants more overseas to build their vehicles vs. Toyota doing just the opposite employing Americans in North American plants with more American made parts than the Big 3 (chrysler, GM, and Ford).  Sad, but true.
 

 
Sad But True, how many pensions are the Jap Plants paying to Americans?

Yes they build them here, but where does the big profit go?

Lastly, Yes the Jap cars last a little longer, but they will pull out of here and never look back one day, they don't live here and are not citizens.

they just want your business and care not about your country.