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jer0177
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« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2012, 06:21:55 AM »


Bottom line, President Obama has repeatedly said he was a Christian, he attended a Christian Church for years BEFORE campaigning for President, so the real question is, why do you think he is anything other that a Christian?  And don't say "because he has a funny name"  As far as Christian Values, to what do you refer?  He is tolerant of others, he has publicly discussed his prayer life, etc...Just because you don't agree with POLITICAL decisions, doesn't mean he doesn't have Christian Values.


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In time, Obama became a follower of Reverend Wright and a part of the Trinity Church family. . . . Rev. Wright was found on Trinity Church recordings to have stirred up his congregation by claiming that the 9/11 attacks on America were “America’s chickens coming home to roost” as he blamed the U.S. for the travesty.  His most famous quote was when he told his congregation: “…not God bless America.  God damn America.”
(source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/revisiting-obamas-rev-wright-controversy/ - you'll notice that it's NOT Fox news, it's CBS)

These are "Christian" values?  No thanks.

He may not be an outright  muslim, but he's only a "christian" like the westboro baptist church are.

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« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2012, 06:39:09 AM »

This is very scary and shouldn't be made into a political circus, our very lives are at stake! I googled and checked it for myself so I wouldn't find biased opinions slanted either way and suggest you do the same!

What is the matter with us? Do we still not want to believe it can happen here?

This is serious stuff!!  Be sure to wait at the end for the comments.

 Obama gave The MUSLIM Brotherhood 1.5 BILLION of your dollars. Why? Because he (Obama) like all Muslims, is a hater of the USA/Israel/Christians.   We are on the verge of disaster.  Be prepared.
 



Huh?  I don't understand. If President Obama is a muslim(he isn't), why would he run for President?  It is one of the hardest jobs in the world, where a normal day is 15-20 hours, 6 1/2 days a week.  I didn't bother the watch a hate spewing video about muslim paranoia, I just don't understand why people can't accept that President Obama is a Christian.  I have no problem with you disagreeing with his politics, decisions, policies, etc, but why do people have to smear him by calling him an American hating muslim.  Personally, I am disappointed in some of the things that the President has done, but calling him a muslim just makes you sound like a nutjob...

jj


I don't care who you are, I will bet every penny I have and will ever make that you have never mistakenly said you are of a different faith, or that your eyes were a color they aren't, or even the motorcycle you ride.   "What kind of bike is that?"  "It's a V-Star,...I mean a Valkyrie".  These things just don't happen.  Especially during a nationally televised interview of a person who they claims to be nothing short of a genious.

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For a guy who claims to be Christian, he sure knows an awful lot about, defends, speaks the language, and lies about the  contributions of Islam to the world. 

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« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2012, 06:40:32 AM »


Bottom line, President Obama has repeatedly said he was a Christian, he attended a Christian Church for years BEFORE campaigning for President, so the real question is, why do you think he is anything other that a Christian?  And don't say "because he has a funny name"  As far as Christian Values, to what do you refer?  He is tolerant of others, he has publicly discussed his prayer life, etc...Just because you don't agree with POLITICAL decisions, doesn't mean he doesn't have Christian Values.


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In time, Obama became a follower of Reverend Wright and a part of the Trinity Church family. . . . Rev. Wright was found on Trinity Church recordings to have stirred up his congregation by claiming that the 9/11 attacks on America were “America’s chickens coming home to roost” as he blamed the U.S. for the travesty.  His most famous quote was when he told his congregation: “…not God bless America.  God damn America.”
(source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/revisiting-obamas-rev-wright-controversy/ - you'll notice that it's NOT Fox news, it's CBS)

These are "Christian" values?  No thanks.

He may not be an outright  muslim, but he's only a "christian" like the westboro baptist church are.




That's a fair criticism. I wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior in my church. I'd walk right out.

Personally, I don't believe he has a "religion". Like a lot of intellectuals he probably thinks that religion is for dumb people but being a politician he has to appeal to a wide range of voters so he belongs to a church.
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jer0177
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« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2012, 07:01:45 AM »


Bottom line, President Obama has repeatedly said he was a Christian, he attended a Christian Church for years BEFORE campaigning for President, so the real question is, why do you think he is anything other that a Christian?  And don't say "because he has a funny name"  As far as Christian Values, to what do you refer?  He is tolerant of others, he has publicly discussed his prayer life, etc...Just because you don't agree with POLITICAL decisions, doesn't mean he doesn't have Christian Values.


jj



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In time, Obama became a follower of Reverend Wright and a part of the Trinity Church family. . . . Rev. Wright was found on Trinity Church recordings to have stirred up his congregation by claiming that the 9/11 attacks on America were “America’s chickens coming home to roost” as he blamed the U.S. for the travesty.  His most famous quote was when he told his congregation: “…not God bless America.  God damn America.”
(source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/revisiting-obamas-rev-wright-controversy/ - you'll notice that it's NOT Fox news, it's CBS)

These are "Christian" values?  No thanks.

He may not be an outright  muslim, but he's only a "christian" like the westboro baptist church are.




That's a fair criticism. I wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior in my church. I'd walk right out.

Personally, I don't believe he has a "religion". Like a lot of intellectuals he probably thinks that religion is for dumb people but being a politician he has to appeal to a wide range of voters so he belongs to a church.


Except for this part:
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Besides, in “Dreams from My Father,” Obama claims just the opposite.  He very powerfully wrote that during his first experience as part of a Reverend Wright church service, he wept.  A child next to him, he wrote, had handed him a tissue to dry the tears streaming down his cheeks.
(from same source)

He's a politician.  They all lie - end of story.
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« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2012, 07:04:15 AM »

This is very scary and shouldn't be made into a political circus, our very lives are at stake! I googled and checked it for myself so I wouldn't find biased opinions slanted either way and suggest you do the same!
What is the matter with us? Do we still not want to believe it can happen here?

This is serious stuff!!  Be sure to wait at the end for the comments.

 Obama gave The MUSLIM Brotherhood 1.5 BILLION of your dollars. Why? Because he (Obama) like all Muslims, is a hater of the USA/Israel/Christians.   We are on the verge of disaster.  Be prepared.
 



Huh?  I don't understand. If President Obama is a muslim(he isn't), why would he run for President?  It is one of the hardest jobs in the world, where a normal day is 15-20 hours, 6 1/2 days a week.  I didn't bother the watch a hate spewing video about muslim paranoia, I just don't understand why people can't accept that President Obama is a Christian.  I have no problem with you disagreeing with his politics, decisions, policies, etc, but why do people have to smear him by calling him an American hating muslim.  Personally, I am disappointed in some of the things that the President has done, but calling him a muslim just makes you sound like a nutjob...

jj


Well JJ, If you watched the video and read the article I didn't write a word of it. If the national media covered it I guess I missed it. Just curious, how do you know his hours and schedule? I know ANY president is under a lot of pressure and I wouldn't want it if I were qualified! Look how fast they all age in 4-8 years...faster than I!  Grin As Donald Trump, Lou Dobbs and others ask why the problem of producing a birth certificate, it creates suspicion! There are some things I like that he did and I can say that about all presidents. I agree that no one should smear the prez but it happens to all of them....especially poor old Busch- they blamed him for tornados and blue skies! Grin

The nut job comment?? First of all I never said he's a muslim, but you prove he's not!! He certainly does not have Christian values, so what IS he?? The bottom line is that we can't allow Sharia law in OUR country and it's already made the news in Texas of all places!! Borders???

You did say he was a muslim--Direct quote from previous post"Because he (Obama) like all Muslims..."
Birth Certificate--He had already produced his birth cert, what Trump was asking for is the long form BC(the one they keep on file in a hospital).  Think about the BC you have--the one like that has been public record since before the election, but for some crazy reason, that wasn't enough for Trump.
I don't know the President's schedule, but you said it yourself, they age way faster in 4-8 years than you or I, so I don't think its from playing video games all day. 

Again I am fine with attacking the President on the issues, but calling him an American hating muslim just makes you sound like a crazy person.  Sharia law goes against multiple US laws, including a couple of the Bills of rights, so the is no way that it would happen.  How would you like me to prove that President Obama is a Christian?  Here is the snopes article:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp   which has approx 15 independent sources.

Bottom line, President Obama has repeatedly said he was a Christian, he attended a Christian Church for years BEFORE campaigning for President, so the real question is, why do you think he is anything other that a Christian?  And don't say "because he has a funny name"  As far as Christian Values, to what do you refer?  He is tolerant of others, he has publicly discussed his prayer life, etc...Just because you don't agree with POLITICAL decisions, doesn't mean he doesn't have Christian Values.


jj



What I highted in red was all I personally wrote and the rest copied.
If he hadn't been so slow of producing some kind of BC, this would never have been an issue.
Again, "The American hating muslim" was copied. Only the first two sentences in red are mine.
Sharia law? I hope and pray it doesn't ever happen, but they already have their foot in the door. It is a known fact that islam wants world domination, it is in their quran.
Christian?  The gospel according to snopes is a good resourse, but not 100%. I like to see what the two has to say about it but also do my own independent research and reach my own conclusions.

Christian? Bottom line, people can call themselves anything they want but that doesn't  mean they are. Just because someone sits in a garage makes them no more a car than a person sitting in church makes them a Christian! Yes he and his wife went to church for 20 years under Jeremiah Wright as pastor. Seems they would have to share the same beliefs of Wright after 20 years!
No, no problem with the name, race, or gender.

"As far as Christian values, to what do I refer"?  I refer to the the infallible, inerrant Word of God called the Bible. I think you know what Christian values I'm refering to.  Smiley
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« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2012, 07:17:52 AM »


Bottom line, President Obama has repeatedly said he was a Christian, he attended a Christian Church for years BEFORE campaigning for President, so the real question is, why do you think he is anything other that a Christian?  And don't say "because he has a funny name"  As far as Christian Values, to what do you refer?  He is tolerant of others, he has publicly discussed his prayer life, etc...Just because you don't agree with POLITICAL decisions, doesn't mean he doesn't have Christian Values.


jj



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In time, Obama became a follower of Reverend Wright and a part of the Trinity Church family. . . . Rev. Wright was found on Trinity Church recordings to have stirred up his congregation by claiming that the 9/11 attacks on America were “America’s chickens coming home to roost” as he blamed the U.S. for the travesty.  His most famous quote was when he told his congregation: “…not God bless America.  God damn America.”
(source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/revisiting-obamas-rev-wright-controversy/ - you'll notice that it's NOT Fox news, it's CBS)

These are "Christian" values?  No thanks.

He may not be an outright  muslim, but he's only a "christian" like the westboro baptist church are.




That's a fair criticism. I wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior in my church. I'd walk right out.

Personally, I don't believe he has a "religion". Like a lot of intellectuals he probably thinks that religion is for dumb people but being a politician he has to appeal to a wide range of voters so he belongs to a church.


I believe you hit that nail squarely on the head.
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« Reply #86 on: June 06, 2012, 01:00:46 PM »

Anvil, I can say I actually agree with you on that!!  Shocked   Cheesy
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« Reply #87 on: June 06, 2012, 01:22:34 PM »

Check this out; Barry aka the prez!  I wonder how a college kid could get this kind of money?  Undecided
















Written by a female Obama supporter who voted for him for president.
 
Legitimate Question
 

This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. I voted for Obama. McCain was a Washington insider and we don't need any more of

them. I have changed my mind three times, since then. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband

crazy. But, I feel if you view CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. I started thinking "where does all the money come from for President Obama"? I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's history for my own peace of mind.
 
Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California . He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was

wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name he used all his life) during

this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan .. During the summer of 1981, after his second year in


college, he made a "round the world" trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.
 
My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they were in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York . It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.

Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It's not cheap to say the least.

My girls asked me; where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe it's none of my business?
 
After Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year.. Why Chicago ? Why not New York ? He was already living in New York . By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery several times in the past and in 2011. Rezko, was named

"Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association".. About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School ?

Where did he get the money for Law School ? More student loans? His family has no money that's for sure.
 
After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

Guess what I discovered? They represented "Rezar" which is Rezko's firm.

Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago . In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race.
 
In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for this property? On

the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before

Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.
 
Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any

major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Am I going nuts or is there a pattern here?
 
On May 10, 2008, The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with "Hamas", which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran . This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq , he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things". What the heck does that mean?
 
Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that were born in Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign

>>>contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East ?
 
And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2009, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim faith". When questioned, "he made a mistake". Some mistake huh?
 
All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett:

Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.
 
Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this? Is this a Kettle of Fish??
 
As Arsenio Hall would say.----"HUMMMMMMM! Does something stink or is it my imagination?" These are legitimate questions for our president.

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« Reply #88 on: June 06, 2012, 01:44:21 PM »

Quote from: G-Man link=topic=43155.msg411319#msg411319 date=133898994
jj
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For a guy who claims to be Christian, he sure knows an awful lot about, defends, speaks the language, and lies about the  contributions of Islam to the world. 

Obama Admits He Is A Muslimpowered by Aeva



If it swims like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck; then guess what?
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« Reply #89 on: June 06, 2012, 02:28:59 PM »

Quote from: G-Man link=topic=43155.msg411319#msg411319 date=133898994
jj
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For a guy who claims to be Christian, he sure knows an awful lot about, defends, speaks the language, and lies about the  contributions of Islam to the world. 

Obama Admits He Is A Muslim


If it swims like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck; then guess what?


Right on Bro!  cooldude
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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2012, 02:59:10 PM »

This is very scary and shouldn't be made into a political circus, our very lives are at stake! I googled and checked it for myself so I wouldn't find biased opinions slanted either way and suggest you do the same!

What is the matter with us? Do we still not want to believe it can happen here?

This is serious stuff!!  Be sure to wait at the end for the comments.

 Obama gave The MUSLIM Brotherhood 1.5 BILLION of your dollars. Why? Because he (Obama) like all Muslims, is a hater of the USA/Israel/Christians.   We are on the verge of disaster.  Be prepared.
 



Huh?  I don't understand. If President Obama is a muslim(he isn't), why would he run for President?  It is one of the hardest jobs in the world, where a normal day is 15-20 hours, 6 1/2 days a week.  I didn't bother the watch a hate spewing video about muslim paranoia, I just don't understand why people can't accept that President Obama is a Christian.  I have no problem with you disagreeing with his politics, decisions, policies, etc, but why do people have to smear him by calling him an American hating muslim.  Personally, I am disappointed in some of the things that the President has done, but calling him a muslim just makes you sound like a nutjob...

jj


I don't care who you are, I will bet every penny I have and will ever make that you have never mistakenly said you are of a different faith, or that your eyes were a color they aren't, or even the motorcycle you ride.   "What kind of bike is that?"  "It's a V-Star,...I mean a Valkyrie".  These things just don't happen.  Especially during a nationally televised interview of a person who they claims to be nothing short of a genious.

Obama: "My Muslim Faith"

For a guy who claims to be Christian, he sure knows an awful lot about, defends, speaks the language, and lies about the  contributions of Islam to the world. 

Obama Admits He Is A Muslim




Now this really makes me want to vomit!!  This one video says it all and the former Islamic lady (scholar) whom I've heard before tells how violent islam is and their beliefs but no one listens. After 9/11, this guy comes into office and I believe they have already won. Boy I thought I'd never say it but I sure miss George!!
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« Reply #91 on: June 07, 2012, 10:53:39 AM »

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?

One network did, and they were labelled racist by all the others and those that watch them.  He then waged a war against that network after he was elected.

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« Reply #92 on: June 07, 2012, 10:58:22 AM »

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?

One network did, and they were labelled racist by all the others and those that watch them.  He then waged a war against that network after he was elected.



Yeah that's TOTALLY it.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

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