BIG--T
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« on: June 29, 2012, 05:12:30 AM » |
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I've heard that but don't know for sure. There is an old boy on the VTX forum that is wanting to buy this low mileage 97 and I told him I'd find out for sure. Also does the GL1500 GW have the same frame as the Valkyrie?  |
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Jabba
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 05:27:40 AM » |
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Everybody says so.
My 97 is not faster than my 2002 with a Dyna-3000. Nor is it faster than Squealy's 99 with truck stacks.
It IS faster than every Interstate I have ever ridden though.
I don't believe the Valk and wing share framework.
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BIG--T
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 05:32:57 AM » |
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Everybody says so.
My 97 is not faster than my 2002 with a Dyna-3000. Nor is it faster than Squealy's 99 with truck stacks.
It IS faster than every Interstate I have ever ridden though.
I don't believe the Valk and wing share framework.
Jabba
Yeah, I'm talking totally stock like a stock 97 STD vs a 98-03 STD.  |
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 05:44:34 AM » |
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I recently bought a '97 Tourer (jade green/ivory) after owning a great running '98 standard for years. I had heard on the forum and read several early cycle magazines reviews proclaiming better performance from the '97 model. I kinda figured it was just more or less bull corn. I have to say in this case, the test drive on the '97 showed a very noticeable increase in performance over the '98. I am kinda dissapointed, because I bought the Tourer to rob the bags & windshield for the blue/ivory '98. I don't care for the oem windshield over the MS, so it stays. I was going to turn the '97, but I like to ride it. It is for sale, but I'm not in a big hurry to move it.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 07:01:18 AM » |
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Also does the GL1500 GW have the same frame as the Valkyrie? No! |
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Serk
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 07:07:46 AM » |
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A 97 is faster, but only if it's been repainted blue...
(The basis for the 97s are faster thing is, I believe, the fact that 97s are the only year with a real mechanical difference from all the others, and it is that they have a different model of carburetor. Beyond that is beyond my technical mechanical knowledge so I won't venture there, but wanted to give a little background to justify my original comment about the blue ones being fastest, which IS settled fact, of course.)
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KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 07:09:21 AM » |
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Also does the GL1500 GW have the same frame as the Valkyrie? No! I always understood that they had to stretch the frame(so to speak) for the Valkyrie so again, No! |
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 07:10:36 AM » |
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the cams on the 97 are a little hotter,,the main jets are just a tad larger,,
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 07:45:40 AM » |
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What ever it is, not only is it faster, it just runs better. Starts better, no choke needed. Just start, warm up about 30 secs & dump the clutch. According to the early cycle mag articles on the subject, Honda denied any difference, contrary to the writers reviews & dynos.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 07:53:05 AM » |
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I'll let you know in 28 years...
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R J
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 09:26:22 AM » |
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I have a question, it sounds like a smart assed one, but it is not intended that way.
Why do you care what is the fastest? No matter what ya have, there is a sleeper out there somewhere that will just bust your butt.
I know, I been there.
Have a 428 Ford Shaker hood Ranchero. It would run like a scalded dog or a cat with creosote on it's butt.
Went to Pomona Drag Strip thinking I had a Trophy in my hand. Round 1, Won, Round 2, Won, Round 3, was way out in front and this damn little AMC Coupe, pulled me at the finish line. I never went back to the Drag Strip there. I never missed a gear or lost out in the take off. He just flat assed out pulled me in the final 100 ft. So much for thinking I had the hottest rig in town.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 01:20:54 PM » |
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my 97 is faster,but its been ported and polished and milled heads for more compression.plus carb work to match
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 01:30:09 PM » |
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the cams on the 97 are a little hotter,,the main jets are just a tad larger,,
parts book and factory tech manual do not support your claim. california spec bikes have emissions/mpg better cams than 49 state bikes. some mags have stated including DRP racing who were behind some bonnevile valkyries that all '98s have calf., cams also. there was a member yrs ago measured the '98 cams and stated there was no difference btwn other yr 49 state bikes, however these were cams in his possession, so the jury is still out on this one. all calf., bikes should be slower than 49 state bikes due to the cams. the frame is unique to the valkyrie. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 02:02:10 PM » |
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My 97 is fast enough for me and that's all I care about.  |
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 02:14:55 PM » |
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Only previously red and white black ones are faster. |
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2012, 04:35:06 PM » |
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A 97 is faster, but only if it's been repainted blue...
(The basis for the 97s are faster thing is, I believe, the fact that 97s are the only year with a real mechanical difference from all the others, and it is that they have a different model of carburetor. Beyond that is beyond my technical mechanical knowledge so I won't venture there, but wanted to give a little background to justify my original comment about the blue ones being fastest, which IS settled fact, of course.)
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T-Bird
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2012, 06:35:11 PM » |
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Everybody says so.
My 97 is not faster than my 2002 with a Dyna-3000. Nor is it faster than Squealy's 99 with truck stacks.
It IS faster than every Interstate I have ever ridden though.
I don't believe the Valk and wing share framework.
Jabba
I agree with you Jabba, Squealy's bike is very fast... I think a lot faster than mine. My interstate was a pig also. It was completely stock. |
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 06:50:18 PM » |
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The 97 is the fastest Valkyrie I've EVER been on............. of course, it's the only Valkyrie I've been on.  |
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 06:52:20 PM » |
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I have a '97 Red&White. She runs awsome, its the fastest Valkyrie I own (I own one) When people ask if I want to race I say No when they ask how fast is she I say I can hit 70mph very easily and just smile.
If your motivation is pure speed you bought the wrong bike....many out there that can smoke ya
If you bought it for miles per gallon you deffinetly bought the wrong bike
If you wanted the latest technology....you bought the wrong bike
You bought the right bike if you want class, style....all day comfort and personality, plus an all around fantastic ride.
After saying all that.....the answer is yes the '97 is faster even with Cobras on it...has more butt dyno than any other year Valkyrie I have ridden. I am not going to try to explain why....it just does....maybe its just more Valkyrie spirit from being the first year.....maybe its carbs maybe its something else.........bottom line, does it really matter.......not so much
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Tropic traveler
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 06:59:34 PM » |
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the cams on the 97 are a little hotter,,the main jets are just a tad larger,,
parts book and factory tech manual do not support your claim. california spec bikes have emissions/mpg better cams than 49 state bikes. some mags have stated including DRP racing who were behind some bonnevile valkyries that all '98s have calf., cams also. there was a member yrs ago measured the '98 cams and stated there was no difference btwn other yr 49 state bikes, however these were cams in his possession, so the jury is still out on this one. all calf., bikes should be slower than 49 state bikes due to the cams. the frame is unique to the valkyrie. Parts books which give you replacement part numbers which are not necessarily the same as what originally came with the vehicle. We see this all the time in the OE car parts biz. Supercessions & part number consolidations are very common which give you a part that will work but not always the exact specification as the factory installed part. That may explain the same part # for multiple years application. A parts book from 1997 or 1998-99 may tell a different story. I think Honda proved it's point {with overkill} concerning horsepower on the '97 model & since it was so far above the competition of the time Honda decided to dial it back a bit from then on. Maybe that & the lack of a potato-potato sounding exhaust note is what did the Valk in sales wise back in the day. My anecdotal 2cents worth tells me my '97 is quicker than the wife's '98 but about the same as my '99. Bear in mind my '97 is a 100K+ bike.  |
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 07:16:36 PM » |
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the cams on the 97 are a little hotter,,the main jets are just a tad larger,,
parts book and factory tech manual do not support your claim. california spec bikes have emissions/mpg better cams than 49 state bikes. some mags have stated including DRP racing who were behind some bonnevile valkyries that all '98s have calf., cams also. there was a member yrs ago measured the '98 cams and stated there was no difference btwn other yr 49 state bikes, however these were cams in his possession, so the jury is still out on this one. all calf., bikes should be slower than 49 state bikes due to the cams. the frame is unique to the valkyrie. Parts books which give you replacement part numbers which are not necessarily the same as what originally came with the vehicle. We see this all the time in the OE car parts biz. Supercessions & part number consolidations are very common which give you a part that will work but not always the exact specification as the factory installed part. That may explain the same part # for multiple years application. A parts book from 1997 or 1998-99 may tell a different story. I think Honda proved it's point {with overkill} concerning horsepower on the '97 model & since it was so far above the competition of the time Honda decided to dial it back a bit from then on. Maybe that & the lack of a potato-potato sounding exhaust note is what did the Valk in sales wise back in the day. My anecdotal 2cents worth tells me my '97 is quicker than the wife's '98 but about the same as my '99. Bear in mind my '97 is a 100K+ bike. I notice that u didn't address what I also wrote about the factory service manual. it list the same size jets and size carbs for all yrs/models. Lamonster's '97 which he did a few dyno runs with had the the normal 92-95 hp even with glass packs. This is the reason he searched out and installed a supercharger. I have a set of '97 exhaust pipes, there is ZERO difference btwn them and the ones from my '98. the only thing special about '97 bikes is that they are the first yr of the valkyrie. or wait, they are faster cause the front wheels have smaller bearings thereby having less friction, yea that will account for 5-10 extra HP. the airbox and exhaust, all yrs are the same. no extra air going in or going out to make more HP. |
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Jabba
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 07:26:11 PM » |
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I heard somewhere... not factual data here... that the original cam spec was a little different.
We have done several runs, strictly 5th gear roll ons with Squealy's 99 Tourer, my 2002 Std, my 97 Std My 99 IS and another buddies 99 IS.
The 2002 Std with a dyna 3K and the 99 tourer with truck stacks are a total wash. I have 100 lbs on Squealy. The 97 is consistently a TOUCH slower. Squealy's tourer will out pull it EVERY time. Again... I have 100 lbs on him. Even the 97 Std will out pull both the 99 IS's. Consistently. Again... 5th gear roll ons from about 35 mph on up.
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R J
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 07:38:22 PM » |
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The 97 had a different needle in it.
I have a set of them laying here on my desk out of MGM.
They are # J6KG, I can't swear by it but the other years had a J8KG, I think that was the number on them.
Some time back, someone wanted a set of these needles for a 98.
I got his address and mailed them too him.
Almost by return mail, I got them back and the letter enclosed really tried to rip me a new A'Hole. I just tossed them up on the desk and left them lay. I don't even remember who he was, and really don't care to know.
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 07:51:29 PM » |
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"I notice that u didn't address what I also wrote about the factory service manual. it list the same size jets and size carbs for all yrs/models."
Don't really care what you wrote about factory service manuals. Just pointing out that in the OE parts world things are not always as they appear. Replacement parts manuals are NOT always the Gospel as to what came on a vehicle from the production line.
Been there , seen that.
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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2012, 08:08:22 PM » |
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I'll let you know in 28 years...
JEJE Hope I'm around to hear your report, but I'm sure I'll be on a trike by then.  |
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