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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2012, 06:15:34 PM » |
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Did he pave the roads to his business? What about building the schools that educated his employees? I can only assume he built a hospital to provide health care for his employees as well. That is what the President was talking about in his speech. If you listen to the whole speech, not just the parts that FauxNews shows, you will see that he wasn't suggested that business owners didn't build their own businesses, he was simply saying that the gov't provided the basic services to make it possible to have a business. No roads=no business.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 06:19:53 PM » |
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Did he pave the roads to his business? What about building the schools that educated his employees? I can only assume he built a hospital to provide health care for his employees as well. That is what the President was talking about in his speech. If you listen to the whole speech, not just the parts that FauxNews shows, you will see that he wasn't suggested that business owners didn't build their own businesses, he was simply saying that the gov't provided the basic services to make it possible to have a business. No roads=no business.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 06:21:01 PM » |
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Taxes paid for all this and he's a tax payer. Government never produced a dime in revenue 100% of it's money comes from taxpayers so yes, he did pay for all those.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 06:21:13 PM » |
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Did he pave the roads to his business? What about building the schools that educated his employees? I can only assume he built a hospital to provide health care for his employees as well. That is what the President was talking about in his speech. If you listen to the whole speech, not just the parts that FauxNews shows, you will see that he wasn't suggested that business owners didn't build their own businesses, he was simply saying that the gov't provided the basic services to make it possible to have a business. No roads=no business.
Using that logic, one could say that it was the government that killed those people at the movie theatre in Colorado. The scumbag that pulled the trigger couldn't afford all those guns and ammo on his own - he was able to buy it with the money from the government grant he had received. -RP
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 06:24:33 PM » |
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That is what taxes which I am quite sure he paid. A business is built by an individual or individuals, not the government. It was not the government that put their blood sweat and tears into it. It was not the government that put up everything they had as collateral to start that business. It was not the government that risked everything. Give me a break. The government is there to assist not control.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 06:49:31 PM » |
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That is what taxes which I am quite sure he paid. A business is built by an individual or individuals, not the government. It was not the government that put their blood sweat and tears into it. It was not the government that put up everything they had as collateral to start that business. It was not the government that risked everything. Give me a break. The government is there to assist not control.
I agree 100%. That is essentially what the President was saying as well. His speech was talking about how teachers are there to help educate, inspire, and motivate people to start business, etc. I wasn't suggesting that a business owner didn't do anything, simply that their taxes are put to good use paying teachers, building roads, etc, to provide for the community that the business was in. And, I will also add, the (local)government probably spends a good bit of money in his business. People want to gripe about gov't spending, but what about when the local public works crew comes in and buys a truckload of 2x4s? I bet the owner doesn't complain about gov't spending when he is doing the selling.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2012, 07:55:57 PM » |
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The whole point of Obama's argument was that business owners should be proud to pay more in taxes than they already do. Obama figures they "owe" it to the govt.
Then, he can give it to non-productive segments of the population, who do not work.
In his world, and liberals, those who work 16 hour days for years on end to "make" it, OWE it to pay more of their hard earned money, to those who do NOT work.
Sorry, work for your OWN money, do not take it from someone else.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2012, 09:17:48 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 09:45:36 PM » |
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That is what taxes which I am quite sure he paid. A business is built by an individual or individuals, not the government. It was not the government that put their blood sweat and tears into it. It was not the government that put up everything they had as collateral to start that business. It was not the government that risked everything. Give me a break. The government is there to assist not control.
I agree 100%. That is essentially what the President was saying as well. His speech was talking about how teachers are there to help educate, inspire, and motivate people to start business, etc. I wasn't suggesting that a business owner didn't do anything, simply that their taxes are put to good use paying teachers, building roads, etc, to provide for the community that the business was in. And, I will also add, the (local)government probably spends a good bit of money in his business. People want to gripe about gov't spending, but what about when the local public works crew comes in and buys a truckload of 2x4s? I bet the owner doesn't complain about gov't spending when he is doing the selling. BS! Let's put it in full context to see exactly what the essential part of that speach was......
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2012, 05:04:28 AM » |
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What about all those businesses that are on government provided roads that failed? Was that the governments fault? You can't take credit for the success without sharing the blame for the failure.
Obama can KMA as well.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2012, 05:22:13 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2012, 07:21:45 AM » |
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This is a pos that never worked a day in his life, never built anything, never had to make a deadline or payroll. In other words someone that has gamed the system and scammed his way through life and has complete distain for anyone that actually is stupid enough to strive to achieve greatness through hard work and the desire to achieve something. Another thing the infastructure only came along after good people built the cities and businesses that made it desirable and possible.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2012, 08:12:35 AM » |
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As I was growing up I remember my parents having vote on a bill to fund the maintenance of roads. The state had to float a bond in order to do so only if it passed in an election. Roads are run by the states so Why is the government now responsible for the roads. And why can't the president put forth a balanced budget?... He is the only one not to do so
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2012, 09:17:38 AM » |
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Did he pave the roads to his business? What about building the schools that educated his employees? I can only assume he built a hospital to provide health care for his employees as well. That is what the President was talking about in his speech. If you listen to the whole speech, not just the parts that FauxNews shows, you will see that he wasn't suggested that business owners didn't build their own businesses, he was simply saying that the gov't provided the basic services to make it possible to have a business. No roads=no business.
Completely clueless.... Government pays for nothing because they have only OUR money. Taxes paid for all this and he's a tax payer. Government never produced a dime in revenue 100% of it's money comes from taxpayers so yes, he did pay for all those. Completely has the clue... Read and learn forjj, and that was not what obama meant, this is what he meant.. The whole point of Obama's argument was that business owners should be proud to pay more in taxes than they already do. Obama figures they "owe" it to the govt. Then, he can give it to non-productive segments of the population, who do not work. In his world, and liberals, those who work 16 hour days for years on end to "make" it, OWE it to pay more of their hard earned money, to those who do NOT work. Sorry, work for your OWN money, do not take it from someone else. MP
If he gets back in in November, with no re-election to stop him, God help us. They will run out of successful peoples money, then guess who's money he is coming after..Yours !! Hope the summary helps forjj.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2012, 11:47:05 AM » |
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No roads=no business.
it was the LACK OF GOVERNMENT that built that road. that road started as a dirt path, then the local town people developed it into a road, the the federal government taxed the hell out of the other businesses and this guys lumberyard was able to survive because the owner worked himself without collecting a paycheck to make ends meet...... the government is businesses worst enemy.
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 01:05:19 PM » |
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obama meant what he said and I listened to the whole ridiculous speech.. He has been back pedaling ever since.. It wasn't even his speech,, he stole it from that 1/697 part native american idiot congress woman that is running against Senator Scott Brown.. I can't think of that stupid woman's name right now.. I hope obama keeps running his mouth like he has and hope he would take his buddy Joe along with him.. It'll be nice when more folks realize that he is the anti christ[ like i think he is,, is it still legal to have an opinion]..
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2012, 01:25:21 PM » |
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but what about when the local public works crew comes in and buys a truckload of 2x4s? I bet the owner doesn't complain about gov't spending when he is doing the selling.
Yes that is true, but you have to wait 60-90 days to get paid, so they have time to steal the money from someone else...sorry. but goverments take your money and give to people who do not earn their own, build bridges to no where and so on...
What I need the goverment to do is protect this country and let me lead my life as I please...Maybe you need them I dont!!!
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2012, 02:26:37 PM » |
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The government should be there for protection [from from anything but ourselves] and infrastructure.. Apparently everyone but the liberals understand that everything from the government comes from the taxes paid by those that work [and invest].. That certainly includes the infrastructure a business sits on.. A business is built by the person that invested time, sweat and taxes in HIS business..
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 03:05:52 PM » |
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He HAD to be preaching to a union choir. Listen to the "you got it" and the Amen'ish response from the crowdlette. ( crowdlette, less than a real crowd.) That was no arena. As for the roads, tell that to Ransome E. Olds and Henry Ford. Annnnd, He's proven himself to be such a friend and nurturing hand to the small business... Annnnd, With the Military cuts, dont look for defence from any threats foregin or domestic. $.02,,,,,,,,Flame suit on.
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2012, 04:06:36 PM » |
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Did he pave the roads to his business? What about building the schools that educated his employees? I can only assume he built a hospital to provide health care for his employees as well. That is what the President was talking about in his speech. If you listen to the whole speech, not just the parts that FauxNews shows, you will see that he wasn't suggested that business owners didn't build their own businesses, he was simply saying that the gov't provided the basic services to make it possible to have a business. No roads=no business.
we had successful businesses in this country before we had infrastructure
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2012, 04:56:58 PM » |
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we had successful businesses in this country before we had infrastructure And we will have sucessfull businesses again when we get rid of "president" Fraud Obama. We will not survive what he will do in four more years. Take a second and let that sink in. If he stays four more years the United States of America will not survive it! If you dont believe that youve had your head in the sand (or somewheres else) look around More unemployed than ever More on Welfare than ever Military fixin to be in shambles God is illegal, but illegals run wild The Constitution has been made a joke by this fraud I could go on and on........ IMPEACH OBAMA
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2012, 08:09:40 AM » |
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That crazy congress woman's name is elizabeth warren from Mass.. Since there are only 11% of their population registered as republican, she can say anything as radical as she wants and get away with it.. I believe her ' you didn't build that' speech was in August 2011 and should be somewhere on youtube..
We have had successfull businesses before infrastructure,, thats true.. But, not now.. But, so what.. That infrastructure was paid by an inordinate amount of tax money by that business.. He paid more than his share,, I'd bet..
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2012, 05:36:57 AM » |
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Small business and the people who work for them have an incentive; to make money and put out the best product t possible. By giving people money to stay home, and adding more taxes to small businesses, the government will kill peoples incentive.
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2012, 05:43:56 AM » |
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Small business and the people who work for them have an incentive; to make money and put out the best product t possible. By giving people money to stay home, and adding more taxes to small businesses, the government will kill peoples incentive.
the higher taxes also make it harder for small businesses to produce a product and still complete with foreign labor markets.....thus fewer American jobs.
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2012, 06:46:32 AM » |
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oh and I've listened to the entire minute plus part of the speech, so it was in context and the message didn't change.
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