Going to be packing "Heat" on the B/G ride??...

[Stanley Steamer]

I have to check to see if my Georgia Concealed Carry Permit....(aka Georgia Firearm License) will be good for the States I'll be traveling through.....

At least I can carry it on the BRP now since they tacked it onto that credit card reform bill a few weeks ago....Britman, Coot and I are leaving tomorrow, hitting the BRP in Cherokee, and riding up to Asheville, NC to spend the night....then we'll ride the rest of the way up the Parkway on Thursday.....see the rest of you Guys and Gals in Chambersburg on Friday.... ..

[fudgie]

You afraid of us Billy Yanks Steamer?  Thought about it my self. Haven't decided....

[..]

Check for SC, W VA and TN as well. Who knows where our return trip will take us

[Duffy]

Wish I was going with y'all, but can't. 

Enjoy and be safe. 

[Lyn-Del]

We're not packing this trip, largely because we're planning to ride in Canada while we're up north.

I don't carry as much as I used to, guess I've gotten either more confident or more complacent.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I believe my Hoosier lifetime permit is good in NC, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Kentucky but not in either one of the Virginias so I'm still undecided. I would have to stop, unload,  pack and lock my pistol in one saddle bag and clip/ammo in the other to stay legal in the Virginias. Even then an LEO with pms might give a hoosier some grief. With the NRA sticker on my saddlebag, I would be asked if I was packing in the event of a traffic stop I'm sure. Also it might be alarming to the public and probably against the law to be seen unloading and locking away a pistol at a rest stop. Some insight from the LEO's on the board might be helpful if they are so inclined.

Concerning permits in national parks. Obama delayed the effective date of the new law for nearly a year to match the date the credit card bill it was attached to takes effect. I don't think he liked signing that bill. 

Then again, it’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

[fudgie]

I believe my Hoosier lifetime permit is good in NC, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Kentucky but not in either one of the Virginias so I'm still undecided. I would have to stop, unload,  pack and lock my pistol in one saddle bag and clip/ammo in the other to stay legal in the Virginias. Even then an LEO with pms might give a hoosier some grief. With the NRA sticker on my saddlebag, I would be asked if I was packing in the event of a traffic stop I'm sure. Also it might be alarming to the public and probably against the law to be seen unloading and locking away a pistol at a rest stop. Some insight from the LEO's on the board might be helpful if they are so inclined.

Concerning permits in national parks. Obama delayed the effective date of the new law for nearly a year to match the date the credit card bill it was attached to takes effect. I don't think he liked signing that bill. 

Then again, it’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Thx for the info. I have not gotten up to look to see what states I can carry in. From what little of WV I'll be in I'm sure I'd get stopped! I usually hate carring outta state anyway.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

The NRA website has info on which states permits are good where. You have to look a little but it's there.

[Serk]

To find out which states honor your resident or non-resident state issued CCW/CHL license, this is a great site:

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

[Stanley Steamer]

The NRA website has info on which states permits are good where. You have to look a little but it's there.

sticks in the mud!!!....Bast#$ds!!.....I guess I'll just leave mine at home...I have a couple of Big, scruffy, ugly body guards to protect me!!!... ... ...

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I don't carry a piece of paper but I always have a gun.

[hotglue #43]

We have riden all 48 states at least 2 times, and 5 Canadian Prov.... never carried... never had a problem...Not that I'm against guns... have several, and will keep them to the end....There are bad folks out there... but don't start none... there won't be none, works pretty good in most cases.

[Hoser]

I don't carry a piece of paper but I always have a gun.

Requiring a government issued permit is a violation of the 2nd admendment.  hoser

[Jess from VA]

I believe my Hoosier lifetime permit is good in NC, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Kentucky but not in either one of the Virginias so I'm still undecided. I would have to stop, unload,  pack and lock my pistol in one saddle bag and clip/ammo in the other to stay legal in the Virginias. Even then an LEO with pms might give a hoosier some grief. With the NRA sticker on my saddlebag, I would be asked if I was packing in the event of a traffic stop I'm sure. Also it might be alarming to the public and probably against the law to be seen unloading and locking away a pistol at a rest stop. Some insight from the LEO's on the board might be helpful if they are so inclined.

Concerning permits in national parks. Obama delayed the effective date of the new law for nearly a year to match the date the credit card bill it was attached to takes effect. I don't think he liked signing that bill.  

Then again, it’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Yes it is important to note the National Park recognition of State law CCWs is not effective for some time.

You have overstated the requirements for carrying a pistol without a CCW (or where yours is not recognized).  Just follow the two container rule.  Pistol unloaded in a gun rug (or something),  loaded mag(s) or speedloader(s)in a seperate container.....but these seperate containers can be right next to each other in the same saddlebag (how many trunks does a car have?), and nothing has to be locked...neither the containers or the saddlebag.  Though I would not walk away from my bike without locking the bag.  This is the general rule on State to State travel, but not likely adequate in places like Chigago or NYC or other People's Republics.

I am a lifelong member of the NRA, but I never would have an NRA sticker on my car or bike.....it is poor operational security.  I wouldn't have a bumper sticker that said I was insured by Smith and Wesson either.  I love the sentiment, but advertising that you might be armed is a mistake, unless you actually are never armed.

[Jess from VA]

I have to check to see if my Georgia Concealed Carry Permit....(aka Georgia Firearm License) will be good for the States I'll be traveling through.....

At least I can carry it on the BRP now since they tacked it onto that credit card reform bill a few weeks ago....Britman, Coot and I are leaving tomorrow, hitting the BRP in Cherokee, and riding up to Asheville, NC to spend the night....then we'll ride the rest of the way up the Parkway on Thursday.....see the rest of you Guys and Gals in Chambersburg on Friday.... ..

Hey Stan, check for a message over on VRF.  I would like to maybe hook up with you guys when you get up my way (Front Royal/Winchester VA).

[solo1]

I, too, do not have an NRA sticker on any of my vehicles although I am a NRA Life Endowment member.

I don't think it's a good idea to advertise that I might be carrying.

Some years ago the wife and I crossed over to Canada. I had no firearms in the truck( I'm not that dumb) but the Canadians searched our luggage and the truck.  I couldn't figure it out until I noticed that they had seen my ILA cap in the back of the truck's extended cab.  Institute of Legislative Action was a NRA department at the time.

[HayHauler]

I'm with you solo1, don't advertise that I "might" be carrying...
The element of suprise is right behind being armed in the priority list.

Hay 

[RoboCop]

I believe my Hoosier lifetime permit is good in NC, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Kentucky but not in either one of the Virginias so I'm still undecided. I would have to stop, unload,  pack and lock my pistol in one saddle bag and clip/ammo in the other to stay legal in the Virginias. Even then an LEO with pms might give a hoosier some grief. With the NRA sticker on my saddlebag, I would be asked if I was packing in the event of a traffic stop I'm sure. Also it might be alarming to the public and probably against the law to be seen unloading and locking away a pistol at a rest stop. Some insight from the LEO's on the board might be helpful if they are so inclined.

Concerning permits in national parks. Obama delayed the effective date of the new law for nearly a year to match the date the credit card bill it was attached to takes effect. I don't think he liked signing that bill.  

Then again, it’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Yes it is important to note the National Park recognition of State law CCWs is not effective for some time.

You have overstated the requirements for carrying a pistol without a CCW (or where yours is not recognized).  Just follow the two container rule.  Pistol unloaded in a gun rug (or something),  loaded mag(s) or speedloader(s)in a seperate container.....but these seperate containers can be right next to each other in the same saddlebag (how many trunks does a car have?), and nothing has to be locked...neither the containers or the saddlebag.  Though I would not walk away from my bike without locking the bag.  

Thanks for providing the 2 container info, I've often wondered about that, especially when travelling with only one piece of luggage.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I believe my Hoosier lifetime permit is good in NC, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Kentucky but not in either one of the Virginias so I'm still undecided. I would have to stop, unload,  pack and lock my pistol in one saddle bag and clip/ammo in the other to stay legal in the Virginias. Even then an LEO with pms might give a hoosier some grief. With the NRA sticker on my saddlebag, I would be asked if I was packing in the event of a traffic stop I'm sure. Also it might be alarming to the public and probably against the law to be seen unloading and locking away a pistol at a rest stop. Some insight from the LEO's on the board might be helpful if they are so inclined.

Concerning permits in national parks. Obama delayed the effective date of the new law for nearly a year to match the date the credit card bill it was attached to takes effect. I don't think he liked signing that bill.  

Then again, it’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Yes it is important to note the National Park recognition of State law CCWs is not effective for some time.

You have overstated the requirements for carrying a pistol without a CCW (or where yours is not recognized).  Just follow the two container rule.  Pistol unloaded in a gun rug (or something),  loaded mag(s) or speedloader(s)in a seperate container.....but these seperate containers can be right next to each other in the same saddlebag (how many trunks does a car have?), and nothing has to be locked...neither the containers or the saddlebag.  Though I would not walk away from my bike without locking the bag.  

Thanks for providing the 2 container info, I've often wondered about that, especially when travelling with only one piece of luggage.

I can't swear that is correct but that is my understanding. All bets are off in Illinois and some of the other truly anti-freedom states.

[Probie (Scooter57)]

I always carry when riding. SC doesn't recognize a GA permit...so what I was carrying anyway...like the saying goes Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

[Duffy]

We have riden all 48 states at least 2 times, and 5 Canadian Prov.... never carried... never had a problem...Not that I'm against guns... have several, and will keep them to the end....There are bad folks out there... but don't start none... there won't be none, works pretty good in most cases.

I'm with Hotglue on this one. 

Anyone surprised? 

Besides, Detn8er said he's got my back; thanks Mark. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I always carry when riding. SC doesn't recognize a GA permit...so what I was carrying anyway...like the saying goes Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

There's just something about guns and girls ain't there? 

[stormrider]

I don't carry a piece of paper but I always have a gun.

I'm with you Joe. Always armed and dangerous. I always ask God along for the ride and carry 45 rounds of 40's just in case someone causes some fluff that don't believe.

[Skeeter (Va)]

Just like American Express......I haven't left home without it for over 20 years...not even for a loaf of bread.......My wife and I have been asked aggressively for $$$$ at rest areas in the last 5 years and most of the 7--11s, libraries  ect  have armed Security in a wide spread area of Tidewater, VA where I live...

[Jess from VA]

RoboCop quote:  Thanks for providing the 2 container info, I've often wondered about that, especially when traveling with only one piece of luggage.


Well, I have another proviso here, where you are transporting without a CCW, or where yours is not recognized.  Even following the two container rule, you should not be in a position where LE could argue that the pistol and ammo were within your immediate  reach while operating the bike.  For instance, if that one piece of luggage was a tank bag (with the two containers in it), even though it would be practically difficult to release the controls and pull the pistol and load it while riding, this would not be difficult at all at a stop light, so you could still be at risk for a successful prosecution of illegal concealed carry.  The one piece of luggage on a Standard would be best on the luggage rack behind the sissy, and probably OK on the back seat, but you get the idea.  

So, two container rule, and beyond immediate reach.  

I may have said this before, but it bears repeating; you should never give consent to a search.  If consent is given, it obviates any later argument that LE lacked probable cause or reasonable suspicion to search, to exclude any evidence produced in the search.  Motor vehicles present "exigent circumstances" to the warrant requirement (they can drive away), so with probable cause, the search can occur without waiting for a warrant.  Good LE training will be to have an officer ask for consent, even if he thinks he has probable cause, to ensure a good search.  Anything found in a consent search is purely admissible, even if placed there by LE.     And I mean no offense to any current or former LE here or anywhere.   This is just good business practice, especially by anyone who carries a pistol.

This is what you say if asked for consent to search.....   "Officer, I'm a law and order man all the way and I have absolutely nothing to hide, but my best friend is a lawyer and he told me to never under any circumstances consent to any search.  Now if you have probable cause or want to get a warrant, I'll cooperate 100 percent with whatever you tell me to do."

[sandy]

This site might help.

http://www.carryconcealed.net/legal

[Skeeter (Va)]

We have riden all 48 states at least 2 times, and 5 Canadian Prov.... never carried... never had a problem...Not that I'm against guns... have several, and will keep them to the end....There are bad folks out there... but don't start none... there won't be none, works pretty good in most cases.

      As I age as we all do, like it or not, I must look more vunrable and attract pushy beggers at the gas pumps and rest ares on Interstate trips. They get in my face while I'm staddling the bike and refueling and the wife is in the restroom. This happened TWICE last year from Kissimmee Fl to Va Bch, Va...twice..I keep $5.00 in my wallet and rather than get crazy, I give it to them. The rest is elseware on me....Now when I refuel, I raise my shirt over my CC and put it in view, then it becomes non consealed and sends an effective message to the punk.My wife carries legally as well. God help the punk if she comes out of the restroom and I'm on my back in a fight..Guess I better start coloring my hair......

[Michael K (Az.)]

To add to what Jess was saying, I've had LEOs tell me that if they want to take a look-see, and the perp says no way, they just call a canine unit and darnit if the dog doesn't indicate right away. Can anyone confirm this practice?

[Bladedog]

Although I read this on a site where they were discussing the suggested course of action after a KNIFE fight; I would assume the following would hold true for firearms "situations":

1. My (or my spouse/child/etc) life was in danger.

2. I'm too upset to talk about it right now.

3. I want a lawyer.

 

[RoboCop]

RoboCop quote:  Thanks for providing the 2 container info, I've often wondered about that, especially when traveling with only one piece of luggage.


Well, I have another proviso here, where you are transporting without a CCW, or where yours is not recognized.  Even following the two container rule, you should not be in a position where LE could argue that the pistol and ammo were within your immediate  reach while operating the bike.  

Thanks for the further clarification, I typically carry my pistol when I'm moto-camping, and it resides in my seat pack when on the road.  I appreciate the friendly advice

[fudgie]

I'm with you solo1, don't advertise that I "might" be carrying...
The element of suprise is right behind being armed in the priority list.

Hay 

I guess I would prefer to advertise so that way they would think twice about it. You wouldn't want to step on toes of a biker with a HA rocker would ya!

[Jess from VA]

Although I read this on a site where they were discussing the suggested course of action after a KNIFE fight; I would assume the following would hold true for firearms "situations":
1. My (or my spouse/child/etc) life was in danger.
2. I'm too upset to talk about it right now.
3. I want a lawyer.
 

I used to teach use of deadly force to USAF SPs.  Rules of engagement for military, cops and the rest of us are different, and the same.  In it's simplest form, you can only use a lethal force against an immediate lethal threat.  This is the golden rule of deadly force.  And usually, the standard is subjective (what you reasonably believed), not objective (what would the proverbial 'reasonable man' have done).  Next, you must have some generalized knowledge of your State laws; whether your State has a 'duty to retreat' (even if you face a lethal threat, you must run away or retreat, when you can do so safely, before use of deadly force), and other things like castle doctrine.  You generally can use deadly force to protect others as you would yourself.  Things are easier, but not unlimited, in your own home.  

But when you go about armed, the truth is you use deadly force at your peril, and you are subject to all the politics and policies of State and local officials (and the wrongful death civil suit by the deceased's family).  You must be more polite and much more willing to suffer verbal abuse, harassment, threats or anything else short of an immediate lethal threat than you might otherwise be.  And harder yet, you must be willing to put up with this same non-lethal crap directed at your wife, family members and friends.  You can never be the aggressor.  

As a general rule, if you have used deadly force, any attorney will tell you to say nothing (and make no formal statement) without advice of counsel.  To some extent, this is self serving since the attorney's job is harder if you have said anything incriminating.  But too many people who have acted reasonably are so shook/hyped up, they say stuff that isn't smart or even accurate;  many are mad as hell that the perp did something bad enough to make them shoot him, and that anger makes them look bad.  If the apparent situation looks in any way questionable, silence is always the best (but very hard to do since any good man naturally wants to explain his actions).  

On the other hand, while we all have the right to remain silent, it is almost universally viewed by LE as a strong indication of guilt, so the radar immediately goes up and it can set the wrong mindset right from the start.  Clearly, some situations are so overwhelmingly indicative of justifiable self defense, especially with one or more likely favorable witnesses, that speaking freely holds little risk.  But there is always risk if you speak, and you must think before you speak, and if you think you are smarter than trained and experienced investigators, think again.   They've done it hundreds of times, and it's probably your first.

The middle ground is to say something very brief that is perfectly true and provides good, simple justification but when detail is sought, ask for time to calm down and end the conversation.  You don't have to ask for counsel to stop talking.  

I suppose all of this is pretty common sense, but anyone who goes armed should spend some time thinking about the what-ifs.

A fellow named Massad Ayoob (US born, lifetime cop and gunwriter) wrote a book in 1980 called "In the Gravest Extreme..The role of the firearm in personal protection."  It is a little dated, but not a bad read on the subject

[LemonDrop]

Don't know if this site will help you, but maybe you can find a similar one for your state

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm

[vanagon40]

The federal "transporting" requirements (traveling with a handgun in a non-reciprocity state) are provided by 18 U.S.C. § 926A:

during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console

How this would apply to a motorcycle saddlebag is another question.