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dano1946
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« on: October 27, 2012, 11:27:59 AM » |
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i have installed shorter rear shocks and as a result my kickstand is too long and the bike wants to stand straight up. is there a shorter kickstand - or a way to shorten this one. i have a 99 IS.
thanks.
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mmurffy03
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2012, 11:47:42 AM » |
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my standard does the same thing after i put the 11 inch progressive shocks on it did you try adjusting the preload to a higher setting with the tool that comes with the shocks cant hurt to try let me know after you try it my back tire lost air a few weeks ago and it tipped but i had a axle stand under the crashguard and that stopped it from going over mine stays up as long as the handlebars are straight forward
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 05:39:20 AM » |
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I removed the kickstand and cut a half inch out with a cutting wheel, and welded it back together when my IS fell over on the right side when the back tire went flat in the garage. Hoser  |
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 08:26:57 AM » |
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Probably the easiest would be to heat the kickstand in a good spot and bend it out some.
It would not affect the strength if you bend it towards the end and would have the effect of being longer giving the bike more stability as opposed to cutting a section out which I feel would be less stable.
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Sam Shlitz
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 10:25:15 AM » |
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The kickstand is attached to a "crossmember" running across and is attaching to the frame with 2 bolts. I inserted a 1/4" shim under the right side. This resulted in the kickstand to angle farther and the bike leans more. Not as much as I would like to, but better than keeping the bike almost vertical and very unstable.
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mmurffy03
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 11:24:24 AM » |
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sam did you install shorter shocks like i did and have the same issue come up or did you have some other problem that made the bike sit more uprite ?
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Sam Shlitz
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2012, 05:34:03 PM » |
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Same situation as yours. After lowering the bike, 11" rear shocks and a 3 degrees front fork tree.
Shimming worked for me. I hope it will work for you as well. As I mentioned, I wish my bike
Leans more. Some day I will bend the kickstand using heat. I own a shop so doing it is just a matter of when.
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mmurffy03
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2012, 06:41:00 PM » |
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sam every valkyrie owner with a 2x4 block of wood under there stand must think we are nuts sayin it tips over but with the raked forks your problem is worse than mine
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2012, 06:47:51 PM » |
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Probably the easiest would be to heat the kickstand in a good spot and bend it out some.
It would not affect the strength if you bend it towards the end and would have the effect of being longer giving the bike more stability as opposed to cutting a section out which I feel would be less stable.
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The foot would'nt rest flat on the ground if I had done that, Ricky, and the weld will not weaken the strength if the weld is done correctly, and it was done correctly. Hoser  |
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 09:29:53 AM » |
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If you heat and bend a kickstand, heat the outside , the side you can see , to a bright orange but not to a cherry red . Then bend the stand, This is called a wrinkle bend. If you do the backside, it is called a streach bend. This type can cause the metal to crack unless the heat is brought to a cherry red. The lower temp with a slower bending is better. Once bent, let it cool on its own for about 10 minutes before cooling with a wet rag.
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RP#62
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 06:14:58 PM » |
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And hope its strength wasn't dependent on heat treating, because it won't be anymore.
-RP
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 07:57:32 PM » |
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Rub it with viagra , It will get hard again!
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dano1946
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 02:12:16 PM » |
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i ended up cutting out 1/2 inch (just below the foot peg thing) and having it welded (professionally) back together - worked perfect - now have a nice gentle lean and feel safer when parking on uneven ground. thanks all for the advise.
btw, prez, the "v' works better for my other kickstand - the one that's not too long :-)
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 04:04:52 PM » |
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I really don't think the kick stand is heat treated.
It has plenty of mass and you can see it's been forged.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 05:45:02 PM » |
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I really don't think the kick stand is heat treated.
It has plenty of mass and you can see it's been forged.
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Yeah, I don't know if it is or not, hard to tell without some analysis. Forging doesn't necessarily enter in to it though. I've forged lots of stuff that then went on to heat treat. Depending on the alloy and the carbon content, some steels have to be heat treated (annealed and then brought back up to temper) to remove forging stresses. -RP |
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 07:41:07 AM » |
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Yep, I'm out of my yard on the subject but I know forging does increase the properties of steel in a very positive manner. I always think of pliers and wrenches which are also forged items.
You can look at the kick stand and see it has gone through a lot of processing - that's for sure.
I also know that Honda would go to an awful lot of care when they make kick stand since it is doing so much physical work.
Heat treating: That's another question, although I think it probably has been heat treated.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2012, 07:07:32 AM » |
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i ended up cutting out 1/2 inch (just below the foot peg thing) and having it welded (professionally) back together - worked perfect - now have a nice gentle lean and feel safer when parking on uneven ground. thanks all for the advise.
btw, prez, the "v' works better for my other kickstand - the one that's not too long :-)
Pretty easy and quick, worked well for me too. Hoser  |
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 03:19:02 PM » |
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i ended up cutting out 1/2 inch (just below the foot peg thing) and having it welded (professionally) back together - worked perfect - now have a nice gentle lean and feel safer when parking on uneven ground. thanks all for the advise.
btw, prez, the "v' works better for my other kickstand - the one that's not too long :-)
What size rear shocks are you running? Do you have a front rake kit? I have 11.5 inch rears and a 6 degree rake and really need to shorten my kick stand. I am thinking I need to take off more than 1/2 an inch. I have already shimmed it as much as possible. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2012, 06:33:42 AM » |
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I shortened my forks and replaced the shocks with 11 1/2' Progressives 12 years ago. At that time I heated and bent the side stand as required to attain a stable lean angle when parked. Never a problem yet and it did not even hurt the chrome.
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dano1946
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2012, 07:45:34 AM » |
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Steelers,
Actually 1/2 inch worked very well - it tipped the bike quite a bit - a little more than I expected but well within safe lean - I wouldn't go much more, maybe 5/8ths.
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2012, 07:49:58 AM » |
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I don't know?
I think either way, bend or shorten, will work well but I feel
Welds will break occasionally and bending can bend more when you don't want it.
That's why I would prefer bending.
I think breaking would necessarily ground the bike.
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