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Picked up a bolt in the center of the rear tire today. 300 freakin miles on that tire  Last time I had a flat rear tire, the dealer refused to fix it. Said it's because of liability. Whatever. Tire was well past 50% so I replaced it back then. Anyway, is it a bad idea to fix it if I can find a local shop that will do the repair? Or if I get a stop and go plug kit and do it myself, would that be considered a permanent repair? |
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 03:36:43 PM » |
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Yes, a plug repair, properly done should be a permanent fix.
The best plug types seem to be the fiber/string kind, but some have had success with the kind that mushrooms inside the tire.
The whole success depends upon how well you do the job.
Don't try to be cheap with the cement, slather it on everything amply,
Clean the hole completely with the tool provided and then trim it in a good fashion.
Give it a few mile to "run in" before WOT runs.
And you should be aware that even if you do a lousy job, that it sure can be re-plugged and a a final option you can remove the tire and patch it from the inside.
Some do that anyway. Patch the inside, that is.
But, to each his own.
There are many tires on the road right now that have been running on plugs for many miles with no problems.
It's always your decision.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 03:52:53 PM » |
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When i worked in a tire store the best way to go about what you need to fix I M H O is breaking it down and patching it from the inside. Course depending on how large that bolt was you may have broken or comprimised belts in the tire. If it was me i'd patch it from the inside. And that's my $.02 and likely not worth that!!  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 04:17:11 PM » |
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There's a combination plug/patch. You would have to break the bead to do it. The plug has a wire that you push through first, apply the attached patch and cut the end of the plug off.
Many years ago, when I worked in a tire shop we would put a second, bigger patch on top of the smaller one. That could mess up your balance though.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 04:25:44 PM » |
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What Ricky said. I have used string kits for permanent repair. Ream hole good, use lots of cement, mostly for lube. Put a little on the hole in the tire too before sticking in the string.
I have never had one fail! That said, if it did leak, just replug it!
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 05:38:20 PM » |
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Personally I wouldn't trust a plugged tire long term.
OK to hobble home but I'd replace it ASAP.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 05:49:44 PM » |
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I plug 'em to get home, and if they have decent tread, pull 'em and put in a stinger patch.
Never had one of those fail.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 06:20:22 PM » |
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I have used several string plugs over the years.
Make sure the hole is roughed up good with the little rasp type tool.
Stick a load of glue in the hole, work it back and forth, pull the applicator out and stick the string patch in the glue, get a good load of glue on it.
Stick it in the hole, twist it and pull the inserter out.
Trim the excess plug even with the tread and if possible, run it around a square mile, and come back, check the pressure and let it set till morning.
Check pressure the next morning, to see if it has lost any air. If no loss, take it out and ride it, NO WOT jabs on the throttle, or you will tear the plug out. After 2 or 3 days, then you can hit a WOT run if you have the need to.
On my 2nd trip to Alaska on the way home, I got a pretty good sized bone in the face. Lost air real fast. Rolled it around to where the hole was accessible and plug it. Did the procedure listed above. Rode it the rest of that day, stopped for the night. Next morning it was about 1/2 flat. Plugged it again, and never lost any air the rest of the way home, like 4,000 miles. By the way it was one of my car tires. The station up there wouldn't mount a car tire, they wouldn't even let me mount it. So I checked the air and headed for home.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 07:06:05 PM » |
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When i worked in a tire store the best way to go about what you need to fix I M H O is breaking it down and patching it from the inside. Course depending on how large that bolt was you may have broken or comprimised belts in the tire. If it was me i'd patch it from the inside. And that's my $.02 and likely not worth that!! RIDE SAFE. I second the patch from the inside. Much better and more reliable than a plug or string patch. I've put 10,000 miles on my patched rear tire (car tire) on my Valkyrie and it does not leak a bit. It is a "do it yourself" repair for me. As I have gotten older, I also repair my car tires this way, but plugged many car tires in my younger days. Of course, way back when I used to run them with the cords showing and/or the tread missing in places. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 07:31:55 PM » |
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The best string type plugs that I have found are from NAPA. Seem to be a little larger diameter and very very gooey sticky. A friend 'helped' me plug the rear tire on my Wing and used a mushroom stopngo plug, he reamed the hole out so large that the mushroom would not seal and I then re-plugged w/ the NAPA plug which never leaked. Tire was too new for me to toss. Never had a problem with it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 07:39:09 PM » |
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I had a Stop n Go plug in the rear of my Wing. I pulled my tent trailer on a 2500 mile trip and finished using up the tire after I returned. Never leaked.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 10:18:09 AM » |
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Id plug it and have.If the tire is over 50 perc. good tread. But note if I wouldn't just only in the tread, not close to side walls.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 10:54:28 AM » |
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I have both stop-n-go and the cheap rope kind. The S-N-G mushroom plugs have popped out a few times. Ended up using the rope. Rope type works better. Havent gotten a puncture since I've gone to the dardside. A good front fender flap helps out dramatically.  |
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 04:33:42 PM » |
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Road my valk on a car tire for over 12,000 miles after I plugged it with the cord type plug. Mine was a deck screw. Reamed it out, bought fresh glue and didn't scimp on it. I then waited several hours before I inflated it. Then road another 12,000 miles on it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 07:09:39 PM » |
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+ 1 or replace, but i like inside patch, maintenance on rear end & watch pressures. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2013, 03:24:49 PM » |
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Thanks for the input. I went ahead and patched it with a string type kit I had in the car. I had "Slime" and a compressor with me when I got the flat. The slime did nothing but spray green goo all around the inside of my fender. AAA to the rescue.......
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2013, 03:20:35 PM » |
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2013, 03:51:09 PM » |
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I have lived a charmed life as far as tire failure is concerned, never had a flat that put me on the side of the road. Been riding since 1967. Had em go flat over night, but never on the road. I still carry a flat kit, and have used it after finding a tire flat in the morning. You never know when you will need it. Different story with car tires, have used the spare tire many times on the side of the road. Hoser ???
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2013, 04:15:15 PM » |
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Well I'm a little late on this one, but FWIW, I plugged my rear tire last year and have close to 10,000 kms on it.
I don't mind using the plug for the rear tire, but I'm kind freaked about doing it on the front!
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2013, 08:07:33 PM » |
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I agree with JP the former BMW guy. I would limp home and then change it out. I am running tubeless tires so there is no room for error. If I was back on the RoadStar with two layers of sealed rubber between me and roadrash with a burst of chrome sparks on a bad day, then maybe... But a new tire is about the same $ as my insurance deductible.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 06:44:26 AM » |
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Repaired thousands of tires. I used a plug-patch combination made by Tech called a Uni-Seal. You would only do a repair in the tred area nothing in sidewall.
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2013, 05:30:56 PM » |
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Do you have this product in your tires as I type this? No wheel weights? You have pulled a screw or nail out of your tire and it sealed up? |
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2013, 05:57:52 AM » |
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I've used string type plugs on my bikes, cars, trucks and bobcat many, many times with only one failure. That was on the bobcat at 55 psi. And it was my fault for not cleaning the hole better. I carry a tire plug kit with me in all bikes and trucks, at all times, and they've saved me a number of times.  I'll run a plug in the rear tire, of the bikes, till their used up, but would only use in it a front, to get home. |
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2013, 10:53:17 AM » |
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Do you have this product in your tires as I type this? No wheel weights? You have pulled a screw or nail out of your tire and it sealed up? I run it in the front.... http://lifeisaroad.com/blog/2010/07/10/and-then-i-got-all-stabby/ |
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2013, 11:15:49 AM » |
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Good to know, Guess it shouldn't make a difference. Luv the picture. I used a 3\8' drill bit to make the hole big enough to get the plug into. Zing zing, in out, glue on the hole, glue on the plug, insert, fill the tire and never looked back! |
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2013, 11:45:20 AM » |
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Please keep in mind that a repair of any kind only keeps the air in; it does nothing to repair the structural integrity of the casing which has been compromised.
Good luck!
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2013, 06:07:44 PM » |
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Sounds like you have all the help you need here! Got to love the VRCC.
If it were a brand new tire....running upwards of $170, I would pull it off and patch it the right way (Inside patch) rather than a plug. If the tire were near the end of it's life...I'd plug it and never think twice. Just my two nickels worth.
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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2013, 09:51:38 AM » |
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Please keep in mind that a repair of any kind only keeps the air in; it does nothing to repair the structural integrity of the casing which has been compromised.
Good luck!
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That's correct.... Always have to be on the lookout for a delamination afterwards which would be a bubble in most cases! Not so much with a car tire, but the motorcycle tire seems to be more susceptible to this affect! *** |
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2013, 10:07:41 AM » |
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There's a combination plug/patch. You would have to break the bead to do it. The plug has a wire that you push through first, apply the attached patch and cut the end of the plug off.
Many years ago, when I worked in a tire shop we would put a second, bigger patch on top of the smaller one. That could mess up your balance though.
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2013, 10:38:16 AM » |
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Please keep in mind that a repair of any kind only keeps the air in; it does nothing to repair the structural integrity of the casing which has been compromised.
Good luck!
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That's correct.... Always have to be on the lookout for a delamination afterwards which would be a bubble in most cases! Not so much with a car tire, but the motorcycle tire seems to be more susceptible to this affect! *** Especially if inside is buffed too hard/much. The air-proof layer is kind of thin and on the inside (at least on Avons and Dunlops). Grind through that and fail to cover it with a patch and the tire will eventually leak and fail. |
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