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« on: May 13, 2013, 03:31:47 PM » |
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I have a timing wheel with a 006 on it. I can assume it is a 6 degree wheel. I went thru the archives and read up many times but want to know from someone who has a 6 degree . What issues or fuel and was jetting needed . If it is more than I want to get involved in this season , I may wait or trade for a 4 degree.
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 03:46:44 PM » |
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It is a 6ยบ wheel. The 6 was for STD/Tour and the 4 was for IS. Most have had to use high octane with the 6. I've found them to cause hard cold starting and a very high pitched vibration felt thru the bars. I don't like the aftermarket wheels.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 04:42:06 PM » |
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Hey, I just changed mine too the.004 advance, She runs great increaded fuel milage too35.6 from 31 mpg and ut adds some get up also very responsive Truthfully I don,t know aboht the 006 degreeadvance try it don,t like it change back!
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 04:46:48 PM » |
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www.factorypro.com recomends the 4 and not the 6. 4 is what u want to use the 6 was org designed for the GW GL1500 which has zero degrees of advance at idle whereas ALL valkyries have 3.5 degrees at idle. 6 as stated will cause mild detonation if premium is not used and 6 will have to much advance in the higher rpms resulting in lower HP.
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Tx Bohemian
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 08:27:24 AM » |
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...I've found them to cause hard cold starting... My bike had a 6* TW on it when I bought it and if the temp was 50* or below it would not start!! PO claimed he didn't have this problem. (not sure if he rode when it was that cold) I changed it to a stock TW (the tabs looked way different than the aftermarket) and this thing will now start at 32*!! I also read a bunch on here from the motorheads about this and then decided to pull the stock TW off and file the crankshaft tab .030 to gain 4* advance. Bike runs really well this way, unfortunatly my MPG dropped dramatically! From 32ish to now about 26ish!! But I will say I've been having carb issues (misadjusted, vacuum leaks) and am working those out, so we'll see. I adjusted the mixture screws and found a couple of the vacuum port plugs old, hard, and cracking, which I replaced. They musta been leaking a bit because this bike will now start without using the choke, which it never did that before. I'm gathering up stuff to do a carb sync so we'll see what happens after that. |
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Patrick
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 08:56:47 AM » |
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I too recommend filing the original wheel if someone really feels the need to advance the base ignition timing.
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matt
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 10:22:12 AM » |
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so as I sit and search I know I have seen an arcticle showing how and what to file. Well I searched and cannot find. I figure might as well do some stuff to bike as I messed up tendon in right ankle and will be not riding for a bit
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 01:18:12 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 01:40:00 PM » |
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Another question if I may? I have a standard and had put a six degree wheel in did not like as bike needed uppper fuel. Question can i match 6degree with stock one and file right side a little and poss make it a four degree just by filing the oposite side of stock one? Thank You
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 02:03:45 PM » |
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MGM got one of the early on from LaMont. Put it in, gas mileage dropped maybe 1 or 2 MPG.
Have never used premium. All he gets is 10% Gasohol, or straight 87 oct gas..
To tell if ya need Premium, take a fairly long ride, come home and pull the plugs. If you find any little round balls of aluminum you need Premium. Ive put over 240+K on him and no problem.
MGM before I Triked him would run the balls off of most Valk's. The Blower one's gave him a very hard time.
I also realize all the gas in the lower 48 is not the same from station to station or brands. I've found Standard sucks in MGM in all the 48. Shell was good. Anymore I just use Quik Trip, Kum & Go and etc.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2013, 02:25:01 PM » |
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RJ I did pull plugs and there was nothing on them but had a strange noise and vib at certain rpm,s I rechecked belts still had issue put stock back in and all is well. But seat dyno liked how it felt so would like to do a four degree but funds are low and figure if people are filing stock to increase I figure should be able to file right side of six degree alittle and make it a four degree
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 02:42:04 PM » |
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...file right side of six degree alittle and make it a four degree
Hmmm... Never thought of that but don't see why it wouldn't work. With instructions from a member here (I think it was Patrick) I filed .030 off of the right side of the crankshaft tab (this is as your sitting on the bike) to gain 4* advance on a stock TW. I would think filing .015 off the left side of the tab of a 6* TW would bring it close to 4*, right? |
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 04:04:17 PM » |
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...file right side of six degree alittle and make it a four degree
Hmmm... Never thought of that but don't see why it wouldn't work. With instructions from a member here (I think it was Patrick) I filed .030 off of the right side of the crankshaft tab (this is as your sitting on the bike) to gain 4* advance on a stock TW. I would think filing .015 off the left side of the tab of a 6* TW would bring it close to 4*, right? Maybe talking out my backside here but maybe shim the 6 degree?? RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 04:55:49 AM » |
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'01 Standard
4* Trigger Wheel
Interstate ISM
Premium non-ethanol
Starts great at all temps. Runs great.
I get between 31 and 34 mph, but she has two speeds: 90 and parked.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 06:33:57 AM » |
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...file right side of six degree alittle and make it a four degree
Hmmm... Never thought of that but don't see why it wouldn't work. With instructions from a member here (I think it was Patrick) I filed .030 off of the right side of the crankshaft tab (this is as your sitting on the bike) to gain 4* advance on a stock TW. I would think filing .015 off the left side of the tab of a 6* TW would bring it close to 4*, right? Maybe talking out my backside here but maybe shim the 6 degree?? RIDE SAFE. Maybe... Not sure if we're on the same page here... Where would the shim go? |
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Remember, if you are on a bike and wreck with a car no matter how "in the right" you are you are going to lose. RIDE LIKE EVERBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU!!
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 06:35:45 AM » |
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97 Tourer
4 degrees on the wheel (Filed stock)
IS Ignition module
LOVE it.. 34-36 mpg
Ride fairly sane but when I need her to romp... Hang on!
I DO run premium... Everything here is the 10% garbage.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 07:10:16 AM » |
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using premium what not needed will reduce mpg and can cause excessive carbon buildup on the pistons, which will lead to the need of premium but will get to a point where even premium will not be enough octane to prevent pinging.
if plug inspection with magnifier shows no black specs on the insulator then a lower octane can be used.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 09:11:11 AM » |
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Some folks have to use premium with the aftermarket trigger. Some folks run premium due to not being able to find non-ethanol in the lower octane ratings.
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