Purolator car filters?

[Mallett]

I found this info if any of y'all are using this filter....


I just got off the phone with Purolator and was trying to find a sales distributor for their PureONE filters in the Toronto area...this is what their tech support advised me about their filters:

1) Purolator PureONE PL14610 oil filter is a automotive oil filter ONLY and is NOT tested OR recommended by them for motorcycle application. They stated that the type of filter paper used is not acceptable for motorcycle engines and also that they have too high a pressure drop.

2) Purolator PureONE ML16817 is their recommended ST1300 motorcycle filter, which thay stated is 96% efficient at 30 micron (They say this is a very respectable efficiency).

I wanted to post this as it seems disconcerting to me especially with so many people in these forums posting that they use a PureONE PL model car oil filter.

[wild6]

Here's a page with a reference to that warning:
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html

(btw: I have put over 110,000 miles on PL14610's with no malfunctions)

[sandy]

135K and have used PL14610 since about 50K. No problems.  He stated the pressure drop was too high for an MC engine. The 610 is longer and has more filter surface area. This means the pressure drop is less but I use the PL14612 (shorter) on my wing with no problems. I'd guess the MC specific filter costs a lot more than the car filters. HMMM!!!!

[R J]

135K and have used PL14610 since about 50K. No problems.  He stated the pressure drop was too high for an MC engine. The 610 is longer and has more filter surface area. This means the pressure drop is less but I use the PL14612 (shorter) on my wing with no problems. I'd guess the MC specific filter costs a lot more than the car filters. HMMM!!!!

MC filter costs more, bingo, you hit the nail on the head.

If ya take a filter of each #, cut them open and they sure as hell look alike to me, but, I'm no Master Tech either.

[BF]

I would assume that Purolator is concerned that the normal motorcycle oil pump isn't capable of pumping enough oil to overcome the restriction of the their high-end oil filter. 

I suppose that could be a concern, however, with sooooo many people using them on Valks and Goldwings for many years and many miles that it's probably a mute point at best.

Could be a concern with other bikes and types of bike engines I suppose, but I've never heard of a Valk's oil pump failing or a loss of oil pressure in a Valk motor.   

I like the extra length of the extra long Purolator filter, but I hate the butt ugly yellow coating that they put on it.  Maybe just for esthetic reasons, I might be convinced to try one of their black "motorcycle" filters.   

[Blackduck]

96% at 30 Micron is not all that good a rating and with open filter media like that I would doubt they have a high pressure drop.
Sales spin by the sound of it.

[Toledo Mark]

Only ever used the Honda filter on my Valk.  Don't care if it cost a little more.  I will stick with it and the Honda GN4 20x50w oil.

A few dollars more is better than a repair and makes me feel better because there is no question whether or not it is safe.

[Rio Wil]

Only ever used the Honda filter on my Valk.  Don't care if it cost a little more.  I will stick with it and the Honda GN4 20x50w oil.

A few dollars more is better than a repair and makes me feel better because there is no question whether or not it is safe.

I would be willing to bet that none of the high mileage Valks (100K-450K miles) are using Honda brand filters and oils......when do you think they might need a repair.....my 182K mile Valk hasn't seen  Honda oil or filter in the last 160K miles....when is the unsafe part gonna kick in and get me.....

[Rio Wil]

1) Purolator PureONE PL14610 oil filter is a automotive oil filter ONLY and is NOT tested OR recommended by them for motorcycle application. They stated that the type of filter paper used is not acceptable for motorcycle engines and also that they have too high a pressure drop.

If I remember correctly, the valk oil pressue is spec'ed at 70 psi at 5000 at operating temp.  Wonder what his honda motor car oil pressures are??

[Disco]

Over 55,000 miles on PL14610s and no problems yet.

I like the extra length of the extra long Purolator filter, but I hate the butt ugly yellow coating that they put on it. 

Aw, come on.  All you need is a yellow bike and the filter's not that bad...   

Actually, I usually paint mine black with rattle can bed liner.  Of course, I have to mask off the label first... 

[dubsider]

I spray paint over the baby doo yellow, careful to not get any on the gasket.

[salty1]

Pure Ones worked fine on my VTX's and others also. Too much real world testing on MC tells me that Purolator needs to do the testing and formally open up a new market for themselves. 

[Thrud]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

[BF]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

You do know that some think that they've outsmarted Honda by running a.......CAR TIRE.   

But of course, most all of them have gone down in a firey flaming death.

[Jabba]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

Because some of us ride... a LOT.  I am not saying that you don't, but every dollar adds up.  And we thoroughly believe that "motorcycle specific" parts, are mostly, if not ALL just a badging effort to separate us from MORE of our moolah.  Me... I run the Fram MC filter.  15w50 Mobile one, and a car tire on the back.  I don't have a bazillion miles on my valks, but I split miles between two.  40K on one and 46K on the other.  I ride about 10K per year now-a-days.  I mean they charge $10/qt for "motorcycle" oil.  Even DINO MC oil.  WTF?  when I can get Mobile 1 in a 5 qt jug plus a filter for $30?  I just get filters for my cars and trucks on the deal, and still buy the Fram MC filter for the Valk.  When I can get a deal on the Honda filter I do.

I still believe frequent fluid changes, and frequent servicing is the key a lot more so than WHAT is used...

Just MY opinion.  Use that and $2.69 and you can get a cup of StarBucks Coffee.

Jabba

[old2soon]

I wuz TRYIN to stay on the sidelines on this but dad gum I gots ta pipe up here.  15-50 Mobil 1 Synthetic AND a Purolator L-14459 filter which allows me to use the full 4 quarts at the oil change.  And if it matters the filter is white with blue lettering and where it's sitting the color matters not.  And I decided on this filter cause of price and it is one of many suggested on our very own shop pages with the rather large discussion of oil filters.  Oh and B T W-so far this particular combination is working very good.  RIDE SAFE.

[six2go #152]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

Because some of us ride... a LOT.  I am not saying that you don't, but every dollar adds up.  And we thoroughly believe that "motorcycle specific" parts, are mostly, if not ALL just a badging effort to separate us from MORE of our moolah.  Me... I run the Fram MC filter.  15w50 Mobile one, and a car tire on the back.  I don't have a bazillion miles on my valks, but I split miles between two.  40K on one and 46K on the other.  I ride about 10K per year now-a-days.  I mean they charge $10/qt for "motorcycle" oil.  Even DINO MC oil.  WTF?  when I can get Mobile 1 in a 5 qt jug plus a filter for $30?  I just get filters for my cars and trucks on the deal, and still buy the Fram MC filter for the Valk.  When I can get a deal on the Honda filter I do.

I still believe frequent fluid changes, and frequent servicing is the key a lot more so than WHAT is used...

Just MY opinion.  Use that and $2.69 and you can get a cup of StarBucks Coffee.

Jabba

Jabba, Where do you find the Mobil 1 15w-50 in the 5qt jugs? I use it in both of my bikes but have to buy it in 1qt bottles. Walmart(up here) doesn't carry it at all and O'Reilly's only has the quarts.

[Mallett]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

Because some of us ride... a LOT.  I am not saying that you don't, but every dollar adds up.  And we thoroughly believe that "motorcycle specific" parts, are mostly, if not ALL just a badging effort to separate us from MORE of our moolah.  Me... I run the Fram MC filter.  15w50 Mobile one, and a car tire on the back.  I don't have a bazillion miles on my valks, but I split miles between two.  40K on one and 46K on the other.  I ride about 10K per year now-a-days.  I mean they charge $10/qt for "motorcycle" oil.  Even DINO MC oil.  WTF?  when I can get Mobile 1 in a 5 qt jug plus a filter for $30?  I just get filters for my cars and trucks on the deal, and still buy the Fram MC filter for the Valk.  When I can get a deal on the Honda filter I do.

I still believe frequent fluid changes, and frequent servicing is the key a lot more so than WHAT is used...

Just MY opinion.  Use that and $2.69 and you can get a cup of StarBucks Coffee.

Jabba

Jabba, Where do you find the Mobil 1 15w-50 in the 5qt jugs? I use it in both of my bikes but have to buy it in 1qt bottles. Walmart(up here) doesn't carry it at all and O'Reilly's only has the quarts.

Autozone will give you the sell price of the 5 quart jug & let you get the quarts...4 bucks more you can upgrade to a Mobil 1 filter instead of free Bosch..I just picked up 5 quarts & a Mobil 1 filter M1-108...for 36.37

[Rio Wil]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

Repeat:

I would be willing to bet that none of the high mileage Valks (100K-450K miles) are using Honda brand filters and oils......when do you think they might need a repair.....my 182K mile Valk hasn't seen  Honda oil or filter in the last 160K miles....when is the unsafe part gonna kick in and get me.....

Some fish.....some are the fish....

[sandy]

This filter by Purolator (L-14459 filter) is their cheap line produced in China. The Pure One line is made in America to a much higher standard.

[Disco]

You do know that some think that they've outsmarted Honda by running a.......CAR TIRE.   uglystupid2

But of course, most all of them have gone down in a firey flaming death.

Well, you caught me riding with a painted PL14601.  And a car tire - an asymmetrical one, at that!  And one-handed!  And my head on fire!

Please email me that pic.  

[salty1]

Great picture BF!

[vanagon40]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

Because some of us ride... a LOT.  I am not saying that you don't, but every dollar adds up.  And we thoroughly believe that "motorcycle specific" parts, are mostly, if not ALL just a badging effort to separate us from MORE of our moolah.  Me... I run the Fram MC filter.  15w50 Mobile one, and a car tire on the back.  I don't have a bazillion miles on my valks, but I split miles between two.  40K on one and 46K on the other.  I ride about 10K per year now-a-days.  I mean they charge $10/qt for "motorcycle" oil.  Even DINO MC oil.  WTF?  when I can get Mobile 1 in a 5 qt jug plus a filter for $30?  I just get filters for my cars and trucks on the deal, and still buy the Fram MC filter for the Valk.  When I can get a deal on the Honda filter I do.

I still believe frequent fluid changes, and frequent servicing is the key a lot more so than WHAT is used...

Just MY opinion.  Use that and $2.69 and you can get a cup of StarBucks Coffee.

Jabba

Jabba, Where do you find the Mobil 1 15w-50 in the 5qt jugs? I use it in both of my bikes but have to buy it in 1qt bottles. Walmart(up here) doesn't carry it at all and O'Reilly's only has the quarts.

I'm not Jabba, but I found it at the Walmart in Greenwood at Emerson and County Line.

If you can't find it in Fort Wayne, you might try www.walmart.com and site to store pickup.

[six2go #152]

I don't understand why some in this forum think they can outsmart Honda and use automotive parts as substitutes for their bikes' operation.  Is it to save money and at the same time thumb your nose at Honda?  I just think you are asking for trouble down the road.  Spend a little more money on genuine motorcycle parts and ride safe!!

FLAME ON!!!

Because some of us ride... a LOT.  I am not saying that you don't, but every dollar adds up.  And we thoroughly believe that "motorcycle specific" parts, are mostly, if not ALL just a badging effort to separate us from MORE of our moolah.  Me... I run the Fram MC filter.  15w50 Mobile one, and a car tire on the back.  I don't have a bazillion miles on my valks, but I split miles between two.  40K on one and 46K on the other.  I ride about 10K per year now-a-days.  I mean they charge $10/qt for "motorcycle" oil.  Even DINO MC oil.  WTF?  when I can get Mobile 1 in a 5 qt jug plus a filter for $30?  I just get filters for my cars and trucks on the deal, and still buy the Fram MC filter for the Valk.  When I can get a deal on the Honda filter I do.

I still believe frequent fluid changes, and frequent servicing is the key a lot more so than WHAT is used...

Just MY opinion.  Use that and $2.69 and you can get a cup of StarBucks Coffee.

Jabba

Jabba, Where do you find the Mobil 1 15w-50 in the 5qt jugs? I use it in both of my bikes but have to buy it in 1qt bottles. Walmart(up here) doesn't carry it at all and O'Reilly's only has the quarts.

I'm not Jabba, but I found it at the Walmart in Greenwood at Emerson and County Line.

If you can't find it in Fort Wayne, you might try www.walmart.com and site to store pickup.

Thanks vanagon40, just checked the .com store & it's out of stock. I don't need it right now, but I'll keep an eye on the site.

[RP#62]

If it were just the engineers that you were dealing with that would be one thing, but with a big company, you're dealing with information that the engineers originated, that's interpreted by a technical writer, that's tweaked by marketing, lawyers and finance guys.  They're not going to allow information out that could undercut their products or pose any liability to the company.

-RP

[CB1]

meh, I think it is a marketing ploy.

dealer filters are a money maker, just like my F150 manual says use motorcraft oil filters.

I'll stick with my pure one filter and mobil 1 v-twin oil versus the dealer filters and oil.