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« on: August 10, 2013, 06:54:03 PM »

Noticed a low speed wobble a few days ago. Not very noticable at high speed. I thought it was my front tire was wore frkm the montana winds. New tire today. Wobble still thr. It moves from left to right kinda wobble. Kit followed me today and said my rear tire moves back and forth. I need a new rear this spring and its not quite to the wear bars. Its a car tire. 40 psi. Not sure where to go from here. Might over inflated it to see if it changes anything.  All was fine at sturgis and beartooth. Noticed it tht morning.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 07:02:56 PM »

The most common reason for a low speed wobble is loose steering head bearings. Too loose, ya get the wobble, too tight and ya get a "weave" or "swimming" motion.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 07:10:01 PM »

U kno i had all the sockets laid outvto check them but couldnt without dropping my bars. So. I didnt. Ill do that in the morning. Thx six!  cooldude
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2013, 07:11:56 PM »

Swing arm bearings. Rear wheel bearing. Head bearings. Back tire. But, I would put my money on the swingarm bearings cooldude
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2013, 07:12:52 PM »

I also lifted and twisted the bars without the tire on it. Felt tight to me. A few yrs ago my bars were loose ans i retourqed them. They were replaced 5 yrs ago.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2013, 07:14:57 PM »

Swing arm bearings. Rear wheel bearing. Head bearings. Back tire. But, I would put my money on the swingarm bearings cooldude
How do i check the swingarm bearings?
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2013, 07:47:26 PM »

Noticed a low speed wobble a few days ago. Not very noticable at high speed. I thought it was my front tire was wore frkm the montana winds. New tire today. Wobble still thr. It moves from left to right kinda wobble. Kit followed me today and said my rear tire moves back and forth. I need a new rear this spring and its not quite to the wear bars. Its a car tire. 40 psi. Not sure where to go from here. Might over inflated it to see if it changes anything.  All was fine at sturgis and beartooth. Noticed it tht morning.
Any ideas?

Fudgie, I had the same thing and it turned out to be the rear tire.  My Toyo Proxes DS tire was delaminating.  Bad shock bushing can do this too.

Why not start with the easy stuff and work towards steering head and swing arm?
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2013, 08:05:03 PM »

Im gonna check the steering stem in the morning and research a new rear
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2013, 09:11:39 PM »

Had kit set on the bike and move the bars back & forth as fast as she could. Rear tire looks good with the rest of the bike. No abnormal movement. I did notice the wobble is 'worse' without the extra weight of all my camp gear, which makes me think it is rear related.
Its odd all this happened overnight. I did ride home (700+ miles) like this cause I thought it was a wore front tire. The 'wobble' is still present at 75-85 mph, I can see a little vibration in my windshield. It was fine for 2000+ miles and then the next morning noticed the wobble. I did beartooth with no wobble, leaned left for 300 miles in MT due to the winds so the front wore on that side, which is always normal for me. That morning, wobble.
Sorry for this post but I was on my phone for the previous posts and didnt want to type this all out!  Grin Hoping for loose steering stem.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2013, 09:40:38 PM »

leaned left for 300 miles in MT due to the winds so the front wore on that side,

If Kit can "see" it then it IS from the swingarm back! I'd bet dollars on it!
Do you have the double row bearing conversion on the left rear?
Man, find it! Could get you kilT!
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 05:33:18 AM »

You can check swingarm bearings by lifting the bike off the ground, and grab the tire, and try moving it side to side. I agree with going with the easy stuff first, like shock bushings, tire, and stuff like that. cooldude
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 05:44:13 AM »

Raise it on a jack and then bring the swing arm up to sort of normal tension to keep the u-joint straight with straps or such.  Spin the rear tire and you should be able to tell if the tire is delaminating or out of round.  You can check play in the rear bearings at the same time.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 05:56:07 AM »

Rear shock bushing wore out.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 06:13:23 AM »

They are the neoprene? ones from gary. Do they wear out? I glanced at the shocks and they looked fine. I'll recheck here soon.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 06:44:13 AM »

bushing sure do wear out..
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 07:07:55 AM »

The shock bushings only wear out if they're the rubber type. The neoprene should be
a long term fix.

And, the shock bushings only show wobble at high speed. I know, I have that wobble now.

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 07:09:41 AM »

Headed to the garage now.  Angry
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 07:13:57 AM »

The majority of all wobble problems are tire related.

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 09:08:59 AM »

U kno i had all the sockets laid outvto check them but couldnt without dropping my bars. So. I didnt. Ill do that in the morning. Thx six!  cooldude

You also have to remove the upper plate of the tripple tree.  Its not hard but that nut under the center of the bars is not what you need to tighten
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 09:22:19 AM »

U kno i had all the sockets laid outvto check them but couldnt without dropping my bars. So. I didnt. Ill do that in the morning. Thx six!  cooldude

You also have to remove the upper plate of the tripple tree.  Its not hard but that nut under the center of the bars is not what you need to tighten

Yup relized that!
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 09:28:48 AM »

ok. Jacked the rear up and everything is solid, no play any where. Took the front apart for the steering head check. They were loose, 10-12 fp and book calls for 17 fp. 40 fp for the initial bearing seat. Took for a small ride and it is better. I would say half is gone. Came back and aired up the tire to 50 psi, 44 is max and I run it about 40 psi. No change. Let the air out, no change. So I dont think its rear tire related.
Now should I go ahead a replace the bearings or just recheck them? They were replaced with all balls about 5 yrs ago, 40k ish.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 10:50:25 AM »

Retourqued and its still there. More pronounced in left hand swerves, which is where i always lean out west. No wobble on right hand swerves. Ordering a new ct today. Mine has been discontinued but found a slightly used one on ebay. Still has the paint on it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2013, 12:59:21 PM »

my low speed wobble was due to a worn rear tire.
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2013, 02:56:59 PM »

my low speed wobble was due to a worn rear tire.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2013, 07:21:34 PM »

Took the rear off and everythink looks great. I rolled the tire on the sidewalk and found a bad spot. Tire almost falls over when it hits the spot. Cant see or feel the spot. New (used) K-106 should be here tommorrow. I was hoping to replace it this spring so I can research a new ct since the k-106 is discontinued but found this 'used' one on ebay. Still has the tits and paint on the tread.
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2013, 04:30:47 AM »

I hope the tire is the issue fudgie.   I was gett'n worried you had been slugg'n down some shine.  Wink
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2013, 04:30:27 PM »

I hope the tire is the issue fudgie.   I was gett'n worried you had been slugg'n down some shine.  Wink

Shine would take the wobble away.  Evil
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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2013, 07:13:07 PM »

New rear tire, no wobble.  cooldude
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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2013, 07:43:14 PM »

 cooldude  good news .. now send me a few good pictures
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2013, 05:01:45 PM »

cooldude  good news .. now send me a few good pictures


lol I'll get on that!  Wink
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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2013, 07:17:20 PM »

trippy that a rear tire causes front end wobble . I wonder if a burned out turn signal bulb could be causing my ever elusive front end squeak when I hit a bump ????? The world may never know ...
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