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Soooooooo Britman-the nice lady goes from $199.00 a month $1500.00 deductible to $278.00 a month $6500.00 deductible-She should have a LOT of orgasms over this forced change. Yeah-this gonna wurk out well-specially fer folks what NEVER had insurance before. Just one simple question here for the obuminater lovers. How is this woman and other folks now better off that the gubmint has stepped in and effed this insurance stuff up?? I mean this JUST has to be sooooooooooo much better for her!!  RIDE SAFE.
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I believe that Obamacare is working as it is intended. I think dis guy is reading more into it than is there though. Anyone who ever asked Obama or his Democrat associates what they would like to see for Heath care and their answer was always a "single payer government run program" They also would tell you that we could not do that right away. It would take a long time to make such a change. We are in the process of making that change. It is clear from the onset that "Obamacare" is fatally flawed. Anyone who really wanted this to work would not have allowed it to start until it made sense and was ready to be rolled out. That it would ensure a stable economic environment for the healthcare industry and be user friendly. Not even remotely close is it? So here's the deal. In order to achieve a single payer system, the current system must be ruined. The private insurance industry must not be able to function. This is the job of Obamacare. To make things so complex, so problematic, that the private health care economic environment cannot viably exist. When that is achieved, the only option left will be the single payer government system. So this is why there is seemingly little concern from this administration about things not working and the desire for "full steam ahead" in spite of things not working. They don't want this to work. It is designed not to work. It is designed to move people to the position that only the government can solve this. And with the insurance companies dropping coverage for 100's of thousands, which is just the beginning, and cost skyrocketing, most people will grab for what's left. A single payer system.
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My brother asked his doctor recently how he thought this was all going to go down.......His doctor said that the first thing you will see is your insurance premium double. Well....so far he is right on tract.......then he said you will see a mass exodus of the doctors who will not work for what Obama Care offers. We'll see.
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Anyone try to watch the congressional hearings yesterday ? It was telling. Our wonderful pres. didn't want the public to hear that his admin. purposely shut down the ACA website browser weeks ago so he goes on TV talking about the new illegal immigrant problem effectively shutting down the televised ACA hearings. Talk about political diversion. If he can stoop low enough for something like this, he can set up a fake fainting. I think he now realizes things are coming crashing down around his shoulders.
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Anyone try to watch the congressional hearings yesterday ? It was telling. Our wonderful pres. didn't want the public to hear that his admin. purposely shut down the ACA website browser weeks ago so he goes on TV talking about the new illegal immigrant problem effectively shutting down the televised ACA hearings. Talk about political diversion. If he can stoop low enough for something like this, he can set up a fake fainting. I think he now realizes things are coming crashing down around his shoulders.
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One of our employee just now told me that his wife's medical insurance, under which he is covered, is going up $200/month. I told him to just be happy it's not more  I know they cannot afford a $200/month hit Well, if he's your employee, and is an adult, then you should be paying him enough to so he could provide a middle class lifestyle including owning a home and driving a toyota or honda (the two co.'s that made out during cash for clunkers), full health insurance, life insurance, and unemployment insurance (just in case). [sarcasm font] 
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One of our employee just now told me that his wife's medical insurance, under which he is covered, is going up $200/month. I told him to just be happy it's not more  I know they cannot afford a $200/month hit Well, if he's your employee, and is an adult, then you should be paying him enough to so he could provide a middle class lifestyle including owning a home and driving a toyota or honda (the two co.'s that made out during cash for clunkers), full health insurance, life insurance, and unemployment insurance (just in case). [sarcasm font]  ATTENTION G-MAN!!!! REPORT HOME AT ONCE!!! Wayne H has snuck into yer house and is posting from your computer 
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This abomination is designed to make all Americans into serfs serving the Obama kingdom. Single payer, wealth redistribution, a new tax to rob the public, a system to track everybody and have full access to everyones personal data, controll over life and death decisions, eventual take over of everything medical, doctors, hospitals, clinics. Mainly it is a vehicle to controll the populace. There is no end to the power this will hand to the ruling class, Medical will become so expensive that the government will be able to take liens out on anything you own to secure payment and sieze whatever they want when you are unable to pay. Only the elite will be above this mess, they did already do a bipartisan vote to exempt themselves.
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This is an email I sent to some friends on Oct 12th, 2012. Not my words.
DO YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?
Remember that on October 9, 2007, 11 months before our “economic crisis” occurred, the Dow hit its highest point ever, closing at 14,164.53 and reaching 14,198.10 intra-day level 2 days later. Unemployment was steady at 4.7%. But things were already being put in place to create the havoc we’ve all been experiencing since then. And it all started, as this email explains,on January 3, 2007. This tells the story, why Bush was so “bad” at the end of his term. Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in doubt, check the facts yourself. The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007, which was the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. For those who are listening to the Democrats propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this: January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%The Unemployment rate was 4.6%George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTHRemember the day...January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank (D) took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd (D) took over the Senate Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES! Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy. Who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress. So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... the day the Democrats took over. Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.In that first year they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush belatedly got tough on spending increases. For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in fiveyears, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.
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i like my government controlled health care __ the V.A.
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As a retired Vet, I avoid the V.A. healthcare like the plague. I have had great experience with Medicare and Tricare for Life. My experience trying to work with the V.A. system was worse tha dismal. Here in Louisiana it is very racially biased and not in favor of caucasians. I have been fighting Cancer since 2004, first prostate, then mesothelioma. Right now I am in an experimental program through M D Anderson, the cost of all the treatments I have had at facilities around the country are astronomical, and without them I would have been pushing dasies long ago. Right now I am being kept alive by two pills a day that are not available except through clinical trials. Oabama care is threatening this and all innovation in the medical field. I feel the same way. I want nothing to do with them. What I see happening to friends because of them I find criminal, but, they don't see it. MB, I hope you continue to stay well and beat this thing.
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As a retired Vet, I avoid the V.A. healthcare like the plague. I have had great experience with Medicare and Tricare for Life. My experience trying to work with the V.A. system was worse tha dismal. Here in Louisiana it is very racially biased and not in favor of caucasians. I have been fighting Cancer since 2004, first prostate, then mesothelioma. Right now I am in an experimental program through M D Anderson, the cost of all the treatments I have had at facilities around the country are astronomical, and without them I would have been pushing dasies long ago. Right now I am being kept alive by two pills a day that are not available except through clinical trials. Oabama care is threatening this and all innovation in the medical field. i traded my tricare for v.a. when i was diagnosed with cancer. don't matter what kind, enough to say it added a 50 % disability to make well over 100% with the V.A. if you are a retired vet i don't have to explain it to you. fortunetly we have the number one V.A. hospital in the country here (for real) i was given 30 days to get my life in order and die, that was 7 1/2 years ago, today i am completely healed with no signs of ever having cancer. i am living proof the v.a. system is not the dinasour it used to be. in fact google best health care anywhere and see what you get. i am told the v.a. system pops up every time. its unfortunet you have a poor v.a. hospital, but we have an excellent honda dealer too, and lots of folks don't. please don't judge the system over one bad hospital. if you need help negotiating the system get hold of your local dav office, if you don't have one call dave dunnigan at 970-263-2848 he can handle anything in any state and he is really good at taking care of veteran benifits.
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Still waiting on the 7,000,000 young healthy people that are voluntarily signing up for this "affordable" government forced program  ha ! yeah, their busy right now.
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2013, 03:22:36 PM » |
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Still waiting on the 7,000,000 young healthy people that are voluntarily signing up for this "affordable" government forced program  The Obamacare law does hinge on 7,000,000 young healthy people signing up for health insurance. The same 18 - 26 year olds that the SAME LAW allows to stay on their parent's insurance policy till they are 26 years old. Brilliant.
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i traded my tricare for v.a. when i was diagnosed with cancer. don't matter what kind, enough to say it added a 50 % disability to make well over 100% with the V.A
It does matter what kind, I also draw a disability from VA, but they would not even discuss the Mesothelioma which I had to be exposed to during my 23 years of active. This is due to the extremely long 30+ year incubation period after exposure. And I am sure not near 100% I to am clean from the Prostate cancer, but some of the after effects of that cure i will have for the rest of my life. Glad you are happy with your experience, but I would wager that is the exception rather than the rule. I see a lot of malpractice around here, and when their doctor has a little frindly chat after the examination that determines your percentage of disibiity, they use ambush tactics. I had to fight like hell to get any disability even though exposure to agent orange is ligit, and I was exposed.
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It does matter what kind, I also draw a disability from VA, but they would not even discuss the Mesothelioma which I had to be exposed to during my 23 years of active. This is due to the extremely long 30+ year incubation period after exposure. And I am sure not near 100% I to am clean from the Prostate cancer, but some of the after effects of that cure i will have for the rest of my life. Glad you are happy with your experience, but I would wager that is the exception rather than the rule. I see a lot of malpractice around here, and when their doctor has a little frindly chat after the examination that determines your percentage of disibiity, they use ambush tactics. I had to fight like hell to get any disability even though exposure to agent orange is ligit, and I was exposed.
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I wanted to let you know that earlier today I received my "Obama care enrollment packet" from the White House. It contained: · An aspirin. · A band-aid. · An 'Obama Hope & Change' bumper sticker. · A 'Bush's Fault' yard sign. · A 'Blame Republicans first, then anybody and everybody' poster. · A 'Tax the Rich' banner. · An application for unemployment. · An application for food stamps. · An application for disability. · A prayer rug. · A free cellphone. · A letter assigning my debt to my grandchildren . · And lastly, a coupon for a machine that blows smoke up my ass. Everything was made in " China " and all directions were in Spanish. Keep an eye out. Yours should be arriving soon. Hoser
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please trust me on this, I have never seen anyone deal with the v.a. directly and win. please go see your local DAV service officer and allow him to help you. Very good advice CMA.  I spent 18 years adjudicating veterans appeals in DC (BVA), and it was my experience that it took new attorneys a minimum of two years to get a decent handle on the complex, convoluted laws and regs at 38 USCA and 38 CFR (and medicine in general), and years more to become expert. Among the many VSOs (veteran service organizations), DAV and PVA consistently produced the best trained and most effective representatives of them all (and you do not have to be paralyzed to be represented by PVA). And they are all free of charge. Some of the poorer VSOs did nothing more than help organize the paperwork and submit boilerplate argument. Of course my opinion is based on reading thousands of veteran's appeals and claims folders..... the actual representative assigned to help you from any VSO (and his level of experience) can be good or poor regardless of his Organization. It is also true that the quality of medical care and treatment varies widely among VA Medical Centers, but the best of them are very good. Some of the worst doctors migrate to (hide at) VA, but many are top notch, and many who spent long successful years in the private sector go to VA late in their careers to get away from the malpractice insurance costs and hassles of running a private practice business (and believe it or not, to gain access low cost government health insurance for themselves and family members... after only 5 years of VA/govt service). VA employs thousands of doctors, and just like the private sector....... you rolls your dice and you takes your chances. I have seen veterans succeed in the VA system unrepresented, but the numbers are small, and the longer you have been separated from military service before filing one or more VA claims, the more you need good representation to help you.
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Just got my news from CDPHP, my provider. My current plan is being eliminated. They say since it no longer will exist, the plan I will need, is going to cost a lot more. My family plan, which I pay for is going from $700/month to well over $1200! Needless to say it is out of my range. My deductible will go from $10,000/year to $12,0000. I have a 22 year old with a rare disease (AHUS), and there is only one known cure. His treatments cost $80,000/ month. A month! Now, I have to scramble and figure this all out! The question I have is what happens when I no longer can afford health care for my family? I used to strain to do it, and got by. But what now? What if I can't?
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bammies pal, ayers said we need to lose 25 million folks any way. This is a good start. "Some folks live, some folks die". "What difference, at this point, does it make anyway".
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Aot of guys with burn marks,gnarly scars and funny twitches ask why I spend so much on safety gear
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