fudgie
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« on: July 21, 2009, 02:44:05 PM » |
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I don't carry a handgun when I travel (Thx Illinois!) on my Valk, but do carry my boot knife. I was wondering if it was illeagal to do so. I thought I heard it once was, something about being double edged. Mines only a 3" double sided blade.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 02:45:30 PM » |
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I would think that would be considered a "concealed weapon" and therefore you must have a permit.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 02:59:04 PM » |
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Different states hav e differnt laws. Doub le edge might get ya. Dosen't sound too long. If ya think about it any pocket knife is concealed....
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 03:31:22 PM » |
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I would think that would be considered a "concealed weapon" and therefore you must have a permit.
Dave
so if you cant see the baseball bat under my coat........is that a concealed weapon? ot if i was to assault someone with a baseball bat, techincally that would make it an assault weapon, would it fall in the same class as a ak? |
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 03:45:59 PM » |
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Is a weapon concealed if it is holstered on your hip in plain sight???  |
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JimC
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 04:11:44 PM » |
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Fudgie,
That would most likely be considered a concealed weapon when in your boot.
Big Red,
No it would not be concealed if in plain view on your hip, in fact the Atty Gen from Wisconsin just ruled (much to the dissatisfaction of the liberal politicians) that if a weapon was in plain view on your hip it was legal to carry. His ruling was pretty much an in your face to our liberal governor who twice vetoed the concealed carry law in Wisconsin.
Now instead of doing a back ground check for mental disease and mandatory training of the concealed carry people, you have anyone that wants walking around with one on their hip. (other than bars, courtrooms ect)
Jim
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Ghillie
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 05:00:14 PM » |
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I know for a fact that a double edged blade constitutes a weapon even if it wouldn't cut warm butter in Texas. Don't ask me how I know.
Any knife or gun is generally only illegal to conceal if it meets the criteria of an illegal weapon. For instance a knife that is legal to be carried on your belt as a sheath knife or folding knife may also be concealed.
A quick review of IL statutes shows the following.
With the qualifying statement preceding weapons descriptions.
"Carries or possesses with intent to use the same unlawfully against another"... the following weapons are illegal
"a dagger, dirk, billy, dangerous knife, razor, stiletto, broken bottle or other piece of glass, stun gun or taser or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character"
IL law does not specifically address blade length or concealment. However Chicago city ordinance limits blades to 2.5 inches.
Unless you have a criminal conviction for assault or violent crime, an attorney could make the affirmative defense that your knife was never intended to be used unlawfully against another.
Personally, I would either replace that Arkansas pig sticker, or grind down one edge of the blade. BTW spring assisted knives that require you touch the blade in some manner to open them are not illegal. Slightly slower, but very safe to carry.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 05:43:34 PM » |
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I don't carry a handgun when I travel (Thx Illinois!) on my Valk, but do carry my boot knife. I was wondering if it was illeagal to do so. I thought I heard it once was, something about being double edged. Mines only a 3" double sided blade.
Knife laws are almost exclusively State and local laws, and it is up to you to research those that apply where you are (or going). You may not carry a knife into any Federal building in excess of a 2 1/2 in blade. Switchblades are a Federal offense, but amazingly provide an exception for a ....one-armed man. (The idiots in DC are thinking of applying this law to spring assisted knives which have been out and considered legal for 10 years. I have one and it is slower to operate than either of my other knives.) This is often a good question for the local cops if you know any, because they will tell you what they care about. Personally I like my folding Ernest Emersons and Spyderco 3 1/2 and 3 3/4 half serrated and half plain blades in a hip pocket (usually with the clip and tip of the hilt showing, so its arguably not concealed). They are pocket knifes intended for ordinary chores almost everywhere. A straight double edged blade in a boot invites an application of the law, if one can be made to apply to it. And I can beat you to the draw with mine every time. Stick the double edge in your tool bag, and get a folding fighter. JMHO |
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 07:05:16 PM » |
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As far as I'm concerned (It's better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it) so I would say if the criminals can carry all the stuff they do why do up-standing citizens need to worry about this.....it's just not right. I say don't ask just carry it quietly and if you need it you'll have it.
"the inspector"
I checked you out at the B/G and you appear to be up-standing.....
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 01:14:18 AM » |
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As far as I'm concerned (It's better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it) so I would say if the criminals can carry all the stuff they do why do up-standing citizens need to worry about this.....it's just not right. I say don't ask just carry it quietly and if you need it you'll have it.
"the inspector"
I checked you out at the B/G and you appear to be up-standing.....
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 03:44:48 AM » |
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keep it and stickem if you have to.......nuff said!
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it's always easy if someone else is doing it.....
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 05:48:30 AM » |
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Is a weapon concealed if it is holstered on your hip in plain sight??? Not in Kentucky, open carry is legal. What`s that old saying, "Don`t bring a Knife to a Gun fight"  |
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 06:44:13 AM » |
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you know fugie....maybe you should get a gun. what the hell, that saying is true.....hummmm
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it's always easy if someone else is doing it.....
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 07:05:16 AM » |
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I never thought boot knives or ankle holsters made much sense. I have a hard time picturing myself hoping around on 1 foot trying to get my pant leg up to reach it.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 08:16:58 AM » |
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And it is legal to carry... Mount a beverage holder and carry this http://tinyurl.com/h9lmy |
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 08:24:54 AM » |
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Fudgie, In Indiana, the only prohibition regarding knives is the prohibition against switchblades, which includes any spring assisted knife. It is a Class B misdemeanor for a person to manufacture, possess, display, offer, sell, lend, give away, or purchase any knife with a blade that:
(1) opens automatically; or
(2) may be propelled;
by hand pressure applied to a button, device containing gas, spring, or other device in the handle of the knife.
Ind. Code § 35-47-5-2 It is also against the law carry any knife on school property, if the knife "is intended to be used as a weapon." Ind. Code § 25-47-5-2.5. Therefore, in Indiana, unless you are on school property, it would not be against the law to carry a double edged knife in your boot. As a previous poster suggested, every state regulates knives differently. You would have to check each state to know what the state permits or outlaws. To my knowledge, there is no federal law that "trumps" state laws regarding knives. On the other hand, there is a federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 926A, that specifically permits a person to transport a handgun through any state so long as 1) the handgun and ammunition are in the trunk and 2) the person is legally allowed to possess he handgun in the state where the trip started and the state where the trip ends. "In the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. " I offer no advise as to how this section applies to saddlebags on a motorcycle. I would also offer no guarantee that every Illinois (or other state) police officer knows and understands the federal law and that so long as you complied with the federal law you could not possibly be arrested. Finally, I understand that an unloaded handgun locked in a container does not serve much of a function for providing for self defense. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2009, 09:57:03 AM » |
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Yep, I have lost a couple of boot knifes to Texas LE. Something about the double edge gets them real excited and worked up. Just remember that in Texas carrying a pair of wire cutters in the back pocket is still illegal and some local LE are just looking for a reason to give you grief... http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/05/texas.police.seizures/index.htmlGot in trouble a few years back with customs in England for bringing my McGyver Swiss army knife, the one with the bazillion dodads. Bobby wanted to know why I was bringing a "weapon" into the UK. I blinked at him and said something to the effect of: "In Texas we call that a pocket knife." He let me keep it. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2009, 11:41:30 AM » |
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DOH< Don't know why I thought you were in Illinois Fudgie.
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