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why this simple procedure is made to be so difficult? Why do we think that we need "kits" or even worse freeze plugs?  All of this can be done for less than $10 without beating freeze plugs into your cylinder heads, cracking them or wasting money on kits. The plastic plug from the end of a BIC pen, JBWeld (24 hour stuff) and some caps and you're done. Why make it so difficult?
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 09:13:43 AM » |
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why this simple procedure is made to be so difficult? Why do we think that we need "kits" or even worse freeze plugs?  All of this can be done for less than $10 without beating freeze plugs into your cylinder heads, cracking them or wasting money on kits. The plastic plug from the end of a BIC pen, JBWeld (24 hour stuff) and some caps and you're done. Why make it so difficult? First off...difficult is relative in that there are those on the board that have done it and assisted others in doing it. Then there are those of us like me that could run circles around you wrenching on my 'Wing, but being our first venture into the phat girl we want to get it right. And in doing so we ask questions that may seem overly obvious or rhetorical to you. So excuse those of us that may not be as mechanically expert as others...we'll get to that level eventually. Secondly, I want my job to look good and professional. Sorry, but arm chair engineering with a plug from a Bic pen doesn't measure up to my standards. And, in the event that I ever sell her I want all the stock parts to go with her and jamming a plug of JB Weld wherever you intend to put it isn't where I want to go with that. Just makes reversing the procedure damn near impossible. I ordered the Shiny kit because of the good reviews and figured $50 with ship a good investment in my bike. And, I like the idea of having the Viton-B plugs for the intakes. Sure my wife bitched about it...but she's getting her nails done today to the tune of $55...so it's a wash. So, just be patient with us. While pulling my carbs and desmogging....I am slowly elevating myself to a level that....hopefully, will be equal to those on the board with years more experience.  And that's about as diplomatic a response as anyone is gonna get from me.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 10:00:38 AM » |
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It isn't difficult, you're right. Desmogs were being performed long before these new-fangled kits came about. Nothing wrong with making kits for this, its just good ole American capitalism. I made all the plugs, easy. I do remove the exhaust though for better access to the bottom, thats a good opportunity for a good cleaning. I install cap screws in the intakes, they don't rot.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 10:36:53 AM » |
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The kit is nice in that you get all the parts you need and they look better than the piecemeal stuff. IMHO
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 11:02:17 AM » |
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?? I dunno. You sound like you're trolling.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 11:33:03 AM » |
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I cannot imagine any circumstances where a desmog would need to be reversed (undone).
The Valkyrie will pass all pollution (smog) testing except maybe the California testing.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 11:40:50 AM » |
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I cannot imagine any circumstances where a desmog would need to be reversed (undone).
The Valkyrie will pass all pollution (smog) testing except maybe the California testing.
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Probably right. But I'm still not gonna paste a hole full of JB Weld just because I can. I find that tacky...to be diplomatic again.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 07:11:54 PM » |
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?? I dunno. You sound like you're trolling.
Sounds more like he's lamenting the situation.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2014, 10:29:04 PM » |
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That's kind of a dick head response.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 05:39:17 AM » |
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That's kind of a dick head response.
I`ll say! It is his bike, he is very proud of it & it is his $$$$$$. Some of these comments you post here you wouldn't say to their face, so why do you write it?
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 06:14:42 AM » |
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why this simple procedure is made to be so difficult? Why do we think that we need "kits" or even worse freeze plugs?  All of this can be done for less than $10 without beating freeze plugs into your cylinder heads, cracking them or wasting money on kits. The plastic plug from the end of a BIC pen, JBWeld (24 hour stuff) and some caps and you're done. Why make it so difficult? First off...difficult is relative in that there are those on the board that have done it and assisted others in doing it. Then there are those of us like me that could run circles around you wrenching on my 'Wing, but being our first venture into the phat girl we want to get it right. And in doing so we ask questions that may seem overly obvious or rhetorical to you. So excuse those of us that may not be as mechanically expert as others...we'll get to that level eventually. Secondly, I want my job to look good and professional. Sorry, but arm chair engineering with a plug from a Bic pen doesn't measure up to my standards. And, in the event that I ever sell her I want all the stock parts to go with her and jamming a plug of JB Weld wherever you intend to put it isn't where I want to go with that. Just makes reversing the procedure damn near impossible. I ordered the Shiny kit because of the good reviews and figured $50 with ship a good investment in my bike. And, I like the idea of having the Viton-B plugs for the intakes. Sure my wife bitched about it...but she's getting her nails done today to the tune of $55...so it's a wash. So, just be patient with us. While pulling my carbs and desmogging....I am slowly elevating myself to a level that....hopefully, will be equal to those on the board with years more experience.  And that's about as diplomatic a response as anyone is gonna get from me. Don't hurt yourself ....  Now it makes sense. I understand that a plug from a Bic pen and JB Weld was the best you could do.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2014, 07:23:31 AM » |
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you plugged a hot exhaust port with something from a plastic bic pen? 
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2014, 09:57:32 AM » |
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My fault entirely. I inferred that your OP was directed at the current threads on the topic. But I guess your timing on opening your thread was just coincidental. My apologies for assuming that your OP was anything other than just a random musing on the subject. Silly me.... 
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2014, 07:31:06 PM » |
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why this simple procedure is made to be so difficult? Why do we think that we need "kits" or even worse freeze plugs? uglystupid2
All of this can be done for less than $10 without beating freeze plugs into your cylinder heads, cracking them or wasting money on kits. The plastic plug from the end of a BIC pen, JBWeld (24 hour stuff) and some caps and you're done.
Why make it so difficult? I'm not sure what is going on with this post, but I agree with this. I cannot imagine any circumstances where a desmog would need to be reversed (undone). I can fore see a time when modifying a motorcycle's exhaust or pollution control system will be illegal and the systems will have to pass as stringent an inspection as cars. In my state, some legislation was considered to repeal the helmet law, but making it illegal to modify the OEM exhaust. If it comes to that, maybe our Valks will be "Grandfathered", maybe not.
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2014, 07:50:28 PM » |
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 " but she's getting her nails done today to the tune of $55...so it's a wash " not exctly ... the desmog is a one time modification ...  not so with the nail solon ... 
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2014, 03:54:53 PM » |
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I lived in san diego from 76 to 03 never had to have a bike inspected cars only needed smog inspections if less than 20 years old and until the mid 80s there were no insurance requirements at all I know new cars were either 49 state smog equipment or all 50 and I rode mostly Kawasaki 2 stroke 3 cylinders that were real smoke blowers but never had to had any go thru a inspection ever
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2014, 05:57:24 AM » |
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Kommiefornika I can see it but grandfathering in a 15 year old bike? Meh. Butcher the dang things off and close the loop of vacuum leaks and ride on. Maybe Ill make up a DIY for those that want to go the simple route and bypass everything else? Kommiefornika Ha! That's good  But I live in Assa2shits. We are only 1/4 step behind fruit and nut land in our socialist views and doctrine. I wouldn't put it past the baby sitting legislators and pseudo environmentalists that live in and around rte 128 to go back 25 years. I'm not sure "Valkyrie" and "Butcher" should be in the same sentence.  I think you should do the kit for those that want to "take it off, take it all off".
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2014, 09:58:06 AM » |
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Kommiefornika I can see it but grandfathering in a 15 year old bike? Meh. Butcher the dang things off and close the loop of vacuum leaks and ride on. Maybe Ill make up a DIY for those that want to go the simple route and bypass everything else? Kommiefornika Ha! That's good  But I live in Assa2shits. We are only 1/4 step behind fruit and nut land in our socialist views and doctrine. I wouldn't put it past the baby sitting legislators and pseudo environmentalists that live in and around rte 128 to go back 25 years. I'm not sure "Valkyrie" and "Butcher" should be in the same sentence.  I think you should do the kit for those that want to "take it off, take it all off". I wanna get in on this! I live in Cans A$$, who's next?  Hoser
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 12:17:06 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2014, 12:51:54 PM » |
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2014, 01:51:26 PM » |
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That's east of New Brass Key if I'm not mistaken.  Hoser
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2014, 01:59:48 PM » |
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And here I didn't think you could get there from there.
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2014, 08:47:20 PM » |
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W' ill annoy here.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2014, 01:42:11 AM » |
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Flor-i-duh. Made that way by the foreign immigrants from the northern lands.  I have seen JB Weld fail in other exhaust plugging applications. I used JB in all the de-smogs I have performed {6} but only on top of steel cup plugs to fill the hole.  I agree, the de-smog procedure is not rocket surgery but it does clean up a goofy needless mess.
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2014, 01:15:34 PM » |
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2014, 05:18:01 PM » |
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My desmog kit came with my supercharger... so' I installed it. WOW what a difference!
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