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From WTTC News in Dallas, we get this heartwarming tale of a
long-time criminal, 33-year-old Deyfon, who tried to climb in a window
of a Texas home.
The elderly owner occupant saw him and fired one shot, ending
Deyfon's criminal career.
As the police do, they came by to investigate, gathered the
corpse, then went to notify Deyfon's family of his unfortunate demise.
It seems that the family was very upset, because they showed up at the
scene.
"He could have used a warning," Lakesha Thompson, Pipkins'
sister-in-law, complained. "He could have let him know that he did have
a gun on his property and he would use it in self-defense."
COMMENT FROM THE SIDELINE: "That's certainly true, Lakesha. He
could also have invited him in and given him a beer, then helped him
cart the TV out to the curb.
"Unfortunately for Deyfon, Texas is a Castle Doctrine state, and
the homeowner chose to shoot Deyfon, as is his right, and proper to do
in Texas.
"For that matter, Lakesha, you could have warned Deyfon. Why
didn't YOU tell him: 'Deyfon, yo' needs to quit breakin' into those
peoples' houses and stealin' they crap. Someone is goin to pop a cap in
yo'ass.'"
God must love stupid people; He made so many.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2014, 04:19:09 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2014, 06:06:06 PM » |
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"Deyfon, yo' needs to quit breakin' into those
peoples' houses and stealin' they crap. Someone is goin to pop a cap in
yo'ass."
Classy way of writing that. Something wrong with regular English? Or are you trying to make a point, and what point might that be?
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2014, 06:10:31 PM » |
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Just typin in Ebonics the way it woulda been said by her I would say.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2014, 06:23:02 PM » |
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"Deyfon, yo' needs to quit breakin' into those
peoples' houses and stealin' they crap. Someone is goin to pop a cap in
yo'ass."
Classy way of writing that. Something wrong with regular English? Or are you trying to make a point, and what point might that be?
Chiefy..... it appears the original article was quoted .... don't shoot the messenger.... LOL. Oh my, and look at the name of the paper ..... http://www.millercountyliberal.com/news/2013-11-13/Public_Safety/He_could_have_fired_a_warning_shot.html |
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2014, 06:40:16 PM » |
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I thought he wrote the area himself after "Comment from the sideline" appeared. (Maybe not?) |
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2014, 06:41:52 PM » |
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I thought he wrote the area himself after "Comment from the sideline" appeared. (Maybe not?) Click the link, it's got the quote in question in the original article. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2014, 07:12:47 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2014, 08:37:24 AM » |
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God must love stupid people; He made so many of them.A quote for the ages. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2014, 08:41:04 AM » |
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That was a warning shot. The next thief has been warned.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2014, 08:48:09 AM » |
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I use to practice at a range where a local organization of women gun owners also practiced. Their saying was, "We give one warning shot.. to the forehead".
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2014, 10:48:14 AM » |
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There is no such thing as a warning shot, specially in this case. The warning shot shoulda been on his ass years ago when this kid was growing to teach him right from wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2014, 11:09:26 AM » |
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I thought he wrote the area himself after "Comment from the sideline" appeared. (Maybe not?) hey chiefy!! main you needs to go an lern you some bonics main!! |
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2014, 11:26:38 AM » |
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We should be able to keep what we kill.
No giving it back.
Then let the Criminals think about that for a while.
DO I really want my dead body healed and hided to a barn door till it rots.
I am a big fan of bringing back public executions. Why hide it.
If you believe in the Death Penalty, why hide it. Have commercials so we don't have to
pay for the cost of the thing. Pay per View would be huge.
Or Not.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2014, 11:37:56 AM » |
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Warning shots are the product of Hollywood. As is the "Racking of a round".
Perp#2 hears the racking of a round as he wonders what got on his shirt.
In as much as "I speak Jive", I'll refrain from it here, so as to not vex Chiefy further.
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2014, 11:42:01 AM » |
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We should be able to keep what we kill.
No giving it back.
Then let the Criminals think about that for a while.
DO I really want my dead body healed and hided to a barn door till it rots.
I am a big fan of bringing back public executions. Why hide it.
If you believe in the Death Penalty, why hide it. Have commercials so we don't have to
pay for the cost of the thing. Pay per View would be huge.
Or Not.
Why limit it to just those that have cable TV..... take it to the Stadium or Arena so that all can make it there. Think of the income that could be generated by beer and hot dog sales as well. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2014, 11:53:55 AM » |
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I would not glorify or goreify public executions, but believe they should be conducted out in front of the courthouse from whence they came (with the all the bars closed).
A properly conducted hanging is instant and nearly painless, neither cruel or unusual, and sends exactly the right message.
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2014, 11:58:19 AM » |
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True enough, however, some need/deserve to be dragged behind a train.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2014, 02:14:36 PM » |
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If the home owner was using subsonic ammo, the perp did get a warning shot. That loud sound warned him that there was a bullet on the way.
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2014, 03:09:08 PM » |
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Isn't a warning shot just a waste of good expensive lead ?
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2014, 04:19:15 PM » |
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Warning shot-WHY would you waste good whiskey on a thief/rapist/nere do well/home invader when a slug to center mass ends the problem??  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2014, 04:29:43 PM » |
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What part of "Thou shalt not steal" do you not understand.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2014, 08:16:15 PM » |
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If someone was trying to break into my house, I'd for sure as heck get the gun and pop em' Depending on the circumstance though I may try to hit his legs or arms first. 10 rounds of .22 shells would slow him down enough to not run too far.
A homeowner has every right to protect his belongings/themselves/family members even if the perp has no gun, but the law in some cities/states see otherwise which is B.S.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2014, 03:45:33 AM » |
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If someone was trying to break into my house, I'd for sure as heck get the gun and pop em' Depending on the circumstance though I may try to hit his legs or arms first. 10 rounds of .22 shells would slow him down enough to not run too far.
A homeowner has every right to protect his belongings/themselves/family members even if the perp has no gun, but the law in some cities/states see otherwise which is B.S.
Although I have stayed at a Holiday Inn, I am NOT a lawyer. What I have been told in CCW classes though, is that the law says you can only shoot someone IF you feel your life is in danger, and you fear for it. By shooting to wound, on purpose, rather than kill, the lawyers can make a good case that you really did NOT fear for your life, thus the shooting is a bad one. And, you are liable for $, and jail time. I am sure each incident stands on its own, but I would sure check it out. MP |
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2014, 04:59:26 AM » |
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If someone breaks into your home shoot to kill if you haven't asked the question do I have the balls, morally, financially and legally, then don't own a gun. Anything else is inviting troubles from all kinds of sources including reprisals from the perp. End of story. If you fire a warning shot and the perp has a gun you may be dead. If you shoot to wound and the guy is on crack he may not even feel it then you may be dead. Remember surprise is on your side once that is gone your in the fight and you may not win. Kiss your loved ones good bye and say to St Peter, I was stupid and gave the crack head thief who broke into my house the chance to kill me thinking he cared for me out of some false sense of morality I was projecting on him. Accurate appraisal of the situation in the dark in the am scared not knowing what you are up against or how many is not the time to make bad judgements. You don't have the luxury except if you don't care about yourself, family, property. If you give up your chance to surprise the perp and protect yourself and your family then anything that comes after that is your fault.
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2014, 05:29:44 AM » |
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If someone was trying to break into my house, I'd for sure as heck get the gun and pop em' Depending on the circumstance though I may try to hit his legs or arms first. 10 rounds of .22 shells would slow him down enough to not run too far.
A homeowner has every right to protect his belongings/themselves/family members even if the perp has no gun, but the law in some cities/states see otherwise which is B.S.
Although I have stayed at a Holiday Inn, I am NOT a lawyer. What I have been told in CCW classes though, is that the law says you can only shoot someone IF you feel your life is in danger, and you fear for it. By shooting to wound, on purpose, rather than kill, the lawyers can make a good case that you really did NOT fear for your life, thus the shooting is a bad one. And, you are liable for $, and jail time. I understand it the same way. And I hope not but as Robert says there may be retaliation. Hope the shooters are stocked up on ammo. I wouldn't be surprised if al sh!thead or jessy jacka$$ aren't planning a trip to Texas right now!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oops! My bad! I'm just assuming here with the names (Lakesha and Deyfon)!  |
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If someone was trying to break into my house, I'd for sure as heck get the gun and pop em' Depending on the circumstance though I may try to hit his legs or arms first. 10 rounds of .22 shells would slow him down enough to not run too far.
A homeowner has every right to protect his belongings/themselves/family members even if the perp has no gun, but the law in some cities/states see otherwise which is B.S.
Although I have stayed at a Holiday Inn, I am NOT a lawyer. What I have been told in CCW classes though, is that the law says you can only shoot someone IF you feel your life is in danger, and you fear for it. By shooting to wound, on purpose, rather than kill, the lawyers can make a good case that you really did NOT fear for your life, thus the shooting is a bad one. And, you are liable for $, and jail time. I am sure each incident stands on its own, but I would sure check it out. MP That's what I've been taught in CCW class and read in many books on the subject. |
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2014, 05:59:28 AM » |
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IMHO Never shoot to kill... That's an execution. You shoot to stop. Center of mass, shoot to stop whatever it is that the individual is doing that has escalated the situation to the point of deadly force. Quite often the outcome is the same, but "kill" should never be your goal... "stop" should be... IANAL of course... (I Am Not a Lawyer for the less TLA learned members...) |
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2014, 06:26:19 AM » |
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shoot to kill
IMHO Never shoot to kill... That's an execution. You shoot to stop. Center of mass, shoot to stop whatever it is that the individual is doing that has escalated the situation to the point of deadly force. Quite often the outcome is the same, but "kill" should never be your goal... "stop" should be... IANAL of course... (I Am Not a Lawyer for the less TLA learned members...) Serk. You are correct. |
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2014, 09:27:36 AM » |
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If someone was trying to break into my house, I'd for sure as heck get the gun and pop em' Depending on the circumstance though I may try to hit his legs or arms first. 10 rounds of .22 shells would slow him down enough to not run too far.
A homeowner has every right to protect his belongings/themselves/family members even if the perp has no gun, but the law in some cities/states see otherwise which is B.S.
Although I have stayed at a Holiday Inn, I am NOT a lawyer. What I have been told in CCW classes though, is that the law says you can only shoot someone IF you feel your life is in danger, and you fear for it. By shooting to wound, on purpose, rather than kill, the lawyers can make a good case that you really did NOT fear for your life, thus the shooting is a bad one. And, you are liable for $, and jail time. I am sure each incident stands on its own, but I would sure check it out. MP Kinda like I was taught years ago. A dead man can't talk or testify. |
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shoot to kill
IMHO Never shoot to kill... That's an execution. You shoot to stop. Center of mass, shoot to stop whatever it is that the individual is doing that has escalated the situation to the point of deadly force. Quite often the outcome is the same, but "kill" should never be your goal... "stop" should be... IANAL of course... (I Am Not a Lawyer for the less TLA learned members...) Absolutely. You can intend/want/hope to kill all you want, but NEVER SAY THAT OUT LOUD. Out loud, as in to officials of the G, you say I was afraid for my (family's) life, and I shot to stop them from hurting us. |
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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2014, 10:05:38 AM » |
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You know what, if we're in bed and some dickhead ends up standing in the doorway, and I'm rudely and suddenly woken, I'm not about to be thinking about whether to stop, wound, or kill. I'll probably be pointing in the dark at some shadow and pull both triggers on the sawed-off double gun that lives against the night stand, and, or, a clip full of .45s from the officers model that resides in the night stand. Then I'm apt to dig a hole in the back yard and bury the POS. No questions, no paperwork.
That's always been my plan as well. First you have to go and look quickly to see if there is a wheel man/accomplice, and if so, you are stuck. My yard is too small: I like gloves, a shower curtain and a local dumpster, with no cameras, and no forensic evidence left behind. Who needs the authorities deciding if the shoot was up to snuff (I won't shoot unless it is, and I need no one else's blessing), a crime scene with dozens tracking mud in your house, a grand jury, local politicians looking for reelection, newspapers looking to sell news and a liberal gun hating agenda, vengeful family/friends, and wrongful death lawsuits? Risky, but far superior, IF you don't get caught. If you are, you are in big trouble. This is NOT legal, just practical. |
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2014, 11:17:06 AM » |
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Laws vary a good deal from state to state. It would be worth your time to find out just what constitutes the legal use of deadly force in yours.
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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2014, 11:34:48 AM » |
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Absolutely.
Except if it ever did come to pass, these posts should never have been made.
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2014, 04:42:10 PM » |
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Absolutely.
Except if it ever did come to pass, these posts should never have been made.
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