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« on: March 24, 2014, 04:48:58 AM » |
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After having the engine out not once, but twice because of an issues with my rear case near the starter idle gear (besides the point), it's become a burning desire to keep this airbox out and install pinecone intake spikes where each of the intake hoses are. If the bike has been desmogged, could the airbox be deleted? I could install a separate filter for the crankcase breather as well by extending that hose out and starboard.
I am already purchasing a custom re-jet kit, would it be as easy as letting them know this in the 'modifications' section while ordering?
Thoughts? Problems? Has anyone else done this before?
I'm inclined to wonder why I cannot find another thread with this topic..
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2014, 04:58:42 AM » |
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I'm not aware of anyone modifying an air box and liking the result, That said I realize you aren't talking aout modifying, ut changing over to individual air cleaners like the crankcase breathers several people put on the car covers, correct? If so, I would give it a try, I suspect at the very minimum you will experience an increase in induction noise, as far as performance goes I don't have a clue. ut as long as you don't moleste the air box you can always switch back to the production setup.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 05:16:50 AM » |
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True. Is there something I'm missing though besides the desmog/removal of all the extra bs?
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 05:25:32 AM » |
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Just That You Would Have To Do Something With The Crancase Breather. You Could Go Old School And Just Dump To The Ground. Ifyou Tried To Run It To Just One Intake, I Would Think You'd Have Issues With Combustion On That Cylinder.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 05:34:58 AM » |
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I guess I don't understand how that works, I was under the impression that you could pop a breather filter on the end on the hose and call it a day. What am I misunderstanding about how a crankcase breather works? ???
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 06:11:49 AM » |
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I'll report back with a result as soon as it's complete. I will also be advancing the timing, removing the 6-6 exhaust baffles (although what I'd really like to install are the 4"OD x 36"ers) and installing the respective jet kit.. this is 1 of two Valks I own so I'd like to tinker a bit. I'll follow up with the results. Meanwhile, does anyone know of a dyno between Melbourne-west palm beach fl?
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 06:22:00 AM » |
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I guess I don't understand how that works, I was under the impression that you could pop a breather filter on the end on the hose and call it a day. What am I misunderstanding about how a crankcase breather works? ???
That's how it works ,but stock on the Valk goes to the air box. If you just put a breather filter on the fitting, (I can't remember where it is located) you may end up with crankcase vapor residue on your engine cases, that's all. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 08:11:49 AM » |
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Back in the day there was a small company (or just a guy?) that took the carbs and turned them the opposite direction or outwards. He then installed a set of slide carbs and made up some custom linkage. Sold for around $1100 IIRC. Claimed BIG performance but nobody bought it and it went into obscurity. This bike seems to have strange needs for air and when messing with the airbox sometimes it doesn't work out. I too have tried things in the past such as putting in 130 jets and cutting the entire top off of the airbox. Pulled VERY hard from idle but bogged at 3500 and then took off again at 4500 and pulled like crazy. Couldnt get past the mid range bog and scrapped the test. People used to cut holes in the airbox and cut the plate off but I will advise you to buy extra tops if you do that. The bike will run like crap as the airbox is designed around those carbs and will act funny when you mess with it.
My idea is to eliminate the airbox completely and clamp spike filters to each intake hose separately, what's your thoughts on this? |
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 09:50:01 AM » |
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If anyone has had it done - pointers would help..insider knowledge if you will. Problems you have been faced with, how you managed to do this without mid-range bog, or if it's as simple as getting the correct jet kit?
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 11:38:55 AM » |
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Honda is very good at intake pulse scavenging. We have an aggressive cam and that results in a backpressure pulse on each cylinder in each combustion cycle. The airbox is designed to use that to help with other cylinder's incoming fuel/air load. That's why it's rare to be able to remove/modify it and get any good results.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 11:53:28 AM » |
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That's a hell of an eye opener  |
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2014, 12:08:54 PM » |
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This was done by a couple fellas years ago. Didn't work for crap. If there is a modification that one can think of, its been done.
Its hard to beat what Honda came up with.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2014, 12:13:15 PM » |
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If only Honda came up with an overflow tube in the carbs which would have prevented hydrolocking, I'd say they thought of it all...  I like the idea of it though. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2014, 12:18:25 PM » |
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If anyone has had it done - pointers would help..insider knowledge if you will. Problems you have been faced with, how you managed to do this without mid-range bog, or if it's as simple as getting the correct jet kit?
Sorry but I do not have any info on them as I never bought them oir did any mods like that. I do remember that they took the carbs from a four bank of them from a different bike and removed the fourth carb. Then they had some weird linkage all set up. It was a very strange looking system but they claimed that the power was impressive. I also remember a guy that did it with the Valk carbs. He took the left side and put it on the right and reverse. The carbs poked out the oterh way on each side. I dont think it ran very well lol. If you want more power get a blower kit and go from there. I have done this for 15 years trying to get more power without buying the hardcore equipment and it is very hard to get a hp or two. Attic Rat seems to have a good system but he too is getting to shaving heads and doing things I never have. I haven't dyno'd mine but here is what I have and a guess at power. desmogged stock air filter Viking Exhaust Polished and Ported GW SE heads Stock trigger wheel IS ECM 38 slows /102 mains / stock needles / 1 3/4 pilot turns / IS springs stock intake runners stock air box Maybe 98hp/98tq and thats a big maybe. I might pull a dyno sometime soon this summer. Tell me about these polished and ported heads? I have never understood the terms and/or hp return |
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2014, 03:52:04 PM » |
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twdurdentwd - I see you are a Florida guy. Sometime go to the Florida chapter and look for the rides we do and join us. You would be more than welcome.
May want to edit your profile and add your home town.
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2014, 03:58:27 PM » |
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Thanks for the offer  |
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2014, 04:58:17 PM » |
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twdurdentwd - I see you are a Florida guy. Sometime go to the Florida chapter and look for the rides we do and join us. You would be more than welcome.
May want to edit your profile and add your home town.
Yes, by all means join us. Then we'll have the first chance to pick your brain when it comes to those mods. As for turning the carbs outward, a member by the name of Trick Rick down in the Ft. Myers area did it. Also has added flame throwers to his exhaust, puts on quite a show at various gatherings down that way....along with a burnout. Kinda fun to watch. Found the YouTube video of him doing a burnout. Note the carbs, among other things. That boy just ain't right, great friend though. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2014, 05:15:35 PM » |
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That's crazy and probably worth $30k? Wadda ya say?
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2014, 05:29:59 PM » |
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Stock with grumpys tuned exhaust tips. Hoser  |
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2014, 05:41:24 PM » |
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Stock with grumpys tuned exhaust tips. Hoser what do you mean tuned exhaust tip? |
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2014, 07:19:26 PM » |
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what do you mean tuned exhaust tip?It is debatable how many horsepower they add, but Grumpy makes some swell looking exhaust tips -Mike
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2014, 05:23:14 AM » |
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In more ways than one I hear.. Supercharger
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2014, 05:48:41 AM » |
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is there a catch that can applique any super charger to the Valkyrie or is it a specific supercharger that you have to purchase?
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2014, 05:50:15 AM » |
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Kit.. Apply. voice to text
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2014, 06:44:20 AM » |
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Send Dogg a P M He's got great charger set up . Lots of guys on here have them on every day riders , Magna Charger is one company that makes them for Valks . Best way for speed and only one carb . IMHO
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2014, 06:51:12 AM » |
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are you saying the supercharger only uses one carb or are you saying that the kit requires a one Carb change over
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2014, 07:03:37 AM » |
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Magnacharger.us used to sell the kits. Their web site is dead - at least at this time. The supercharger only uses one carb. The most recent one uses a slightly tweaked Mikuni HSR-45 carb. The main jet taper needle has a custom taper.
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2014, 01:41:07 PM » |
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twdurdentwd - I see you are a Florida guy. Sometime go to the Florida chapter and look for the rides we do and join us. You would be more than welcome.
May want to edit your profile and add your home town.
Yes, by all means join us. Then we'll have the first chance to pick your brain when it comes to those mods. As for turning the carbs outward, a member by the name of Trick Rick down in the Ft. Myers area did it. Also has added flame throwers to his exhaust, puts on quite a show at various gatherings down that way....along with a burnout. Kinda fun to watch. Found the YouTube video of him doing a burnout. Note the carbs, among other things. That boy just ain't right, great friend though. 4-14-12 Cape Coral Bike Night. "With Trick Rick Burn Out"Just saw the video...so he's figured out how to flip the carbs and it run properly?? |
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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2014, 09:05:23 PM » |
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The OE carbs and airbox work really well (if the carbs are not gummed up).
My best prediction of big carb and airbox mods is..... You will spend money, and you will be sorry.
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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2014, 05:53:31 AM » |
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The OE carbs and airbox work really well (if the carbs are not gummed up).
My best prediction of big carb and airbox mods is..... You will spend money, and you will be sorry.
Thats my impression as well; this guy doesn't look too sorry though lol Just gathering info....this is my #2 Valk Std (other is I/S) so I'd like to research possible mods...this one is possible but only with the skill and know-how |
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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2014, 06:13:17 AM » |
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BDL also makes a supercharger for the Valkyrie.
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2014, 06:21:36 AM » |
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BDL also makes a supercharger for the Valkyrie.
I couldn't find a website for them, which one have you used to peruse? |
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