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Author Topic: Help! Possible fuel issue  (Read 1353 times)
Hobo Joe
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« on: May 31, 2014, 04:12:29 PM »

Brand new to riding and brand new to my beautiful  '97 Valkyrie Tourer with cobra 6 into 6 pipes - not afraid to read and get hands dirty - replaced lower FR fork tube and seals - front brakes also.

I've spent several hours searching for possible posts with my issue - most have come close but none of the members had exactly the symptoms that I have - so here goes:

THIS IS A LONG POST

Gradual loss of power after cruising at around 60 - 65 mph (around 3k rpm) not right away maybe 10 or 15 min of highway travel. Never occurs at street level speeds.
If I roll off the throttle for 2-3 sec and then roll back on again I can hear just the right side cylinders starting to kick in again. The left side cylinders never have a problem. I do this a couple of times and some times this fixes it and some time not at all.
Some times rotating the petcock from on to reserve helps but not always. Not sure of the brand of the pet rooster but I'm pretty sure it's after market.
I may have noticed a pattern finally - but still not sure - when I drop to the last 1/3 tank of gas the problem has kicked in.  I'm still pretty sure it has done it to me with a full tank but I can't be 100% sure. It just seems that the majority of time it has been at or below 1/3 tank level - I think I'm running out of fuel even though I know I'm not so when I filled it went away but, by then I'm getting off the highway any way. (as I mentioned earlier - it never happens on street level)
One of the previous owners seemed to do a no tank removal de-smog. I heard a screw bounce all over the place one day - pulled over but couldn't find where it came from. Some days later I noticed tubes going to intake manifold 1 and 5 were cut with #5 plugged with a brass screw - did some reading up and found that the #1 should be plugged if it was a poor mans de-smog (source of bouncing screw) so I plugged that and it seemed to work - yet again the problem returned - examining the vent tubes and tube for intake manifold # 3 were "cramped" a little I re-ran the tubes and found the bottom of tube for intake  #3 had a worn hole in it. Repaired it and that seemed to do the job - I rode for 40min one way and back again on the highway during a very hot day with no problems... YET AGAIN the problem returned.
So now I am at a loss to explain this. Thought it might be a vapour lock with the hot weather but it did it to me on a nice cool morning.
A month or two after I first got the bike and learning to ride I noticed that when I really hammered down on the gas (in all gears) it would sputter and hesitate before finally kicking in and tearing up the road. A few cans of B-12 solved that - but this present issue just started recently since the good weather hit - not an issue during my commute in the winter months (weather permitting) - I rode her even as low as -12 F one day. She needed a boost at lunch  Undecided.
The one thing I have noticed after plugging up the leaks - my idle speed doesn't gradually change any more like it used to and now on the highway at 60mph it runs at around 2600 - 2800 rpm where as before it was consistently at around 3100 rpm.

I apologize for being all over the place - just trying to give as much history/info as possible.
Right now I'm going to try some multiple doses of techron  and possibly try a new battery (needs one any way - goes dead if the lights are on for more than 10-15min)
After this I'll take the tank off and check the petcock and vacuum hoses etc. Just waiting for Red Eye to come back on line so I can do a proper de-smog.
I'm just confused as to why it's just the right side and why rolling off the throttle for a few seconds and rolling back on again seems to alleviate the problem (sometimes) - ?? giving time for the bowls to fill up ??

Many thanks,
The Hobo
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 04:58:42 PM »

It sounds as though you may have a kinked fuel tank vent line or a bad petcock [ if its vacuum operated].

The change in engine speeds at 60mph makes no sense.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2014, 05:47:13 PM »

Id look at the filter in the tank ...
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2014, 06:33:51 PM »

The fuel line from the tank HAS to run downhill the entire distance from the petcock to the carb bank. If it has a low spot, it won't maintain fuel supply when the fuel gets low. If the petcock is still vacuum operated, check the line going from the intake manifold to the petcock. Check the petcock for vacuum leak down to see if the vacuum side is leaking. Just some stuff you can check cooldude
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Grandpa Bigbuck
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2014, 08:49:03 PM »

Bad diaphram in petcock. At higher speed engine needs more fuel supply. If you have a hole in the diaphram fuel flow becomes weak. My wifes trike had the exact same symptoms. Found two splits in diaphram. (this is assuming you have an OEM petcock.)
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 05:49:05 AM »

Typical symptoms of a stock petcock failure Hobo Joe. The petcock is vacuum operated from #6 intake (rear cylinder on shifting side) check the vacuum line for damage,, remove fuel supply line from petcock and insure fuel flows when SLIGHT vacuum is appllied to vacuum line, and it will not leak down. I suspect you will need this or similiar product to repair your problem.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-GL1500-VALKYRIE-97-04-FUEL-PETCOCK-REBULID-KIT-NEW-/380913146853?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58b0315be5&vxp=mtr


Welcome aboard and be safe on your bike,,, you chose a big heavy one to get started on, but you got a good one.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 08:13:18 AM »

Thanks everyone, I will roll up the sleeves and get under the tank and check the petcock and vacuum lines.
Cheers!
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 02:27:06 AM »

Can you test the petcock for a vacuum leak by pinching off the hose while it's running and disconnecting it from the carb?
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 04:28:26 PM »

Any update on your issue?
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Hobo Joe
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 10:53:37 AM »

Sorry for the long delay in response. Thanks to all for your help. I was on vacation for most of June. Right now I'm installing the "Shiny Desmog Kit" from Red Eye. Everything is going smooth with that.
I did order a new petcock and it's on it's way. When I removed and examined the diaphragm of the original petcock I notice a small tear along the edge at the center point where it encircles that small black plastic pin. Problem solved.  laugh

Shout out to Grandpa Bigbuck for picking that one up!!!  cooldude

Not sure if this was also part of the problem but when I removed the petcock, the ring nut securing the unit to the tank unscrewed with just fingers! Just touched it and it turned! Also there is no line attached to the fuel tank breather nipple - I blew in it and it's not obstructed, but I'm thinking there should be a line traveling down to the kick stand side like in the manual. I'll have to add that after desmogging it.

Again thanks to this community for helping me out - it's great to have a resource like this!!!
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 11:05:22 AM »

Also there is no line attached to the fuel tank breather nipple

It may not have been hooked back up, if the tank had been removed by the PO...  Look around that area, and check if you don't see a small black rubber hose just hanging there, looking for somethijng to do  Wink

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 11:07:55 AM »


No problems with the un-tight ring nut... threads don't do the sealing
there, a O-ring does.

I did order a new petcock and it's on it's way.

Send me your old one and I'll rebuild it and store it in my
saddlebags...  Smiley

-Mike
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 01:42:33 PM »

And if your vent line is missing...very important to replace it as that is also an overflow...and would probably spit gasoline on your alternator when doing so...

When adding a new vent line (if your old one is gone) there should be a plastic "T" fitting in it...with nothing hooked to the extra port...about 4 or 5 inches down from the tank. It's a vacuum/siphon break and is important. Then the tube continues down to the bottom of the bike in the tube holder with the "dragon drool" tube.

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Hobo Joe
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2014, 05:48:57 PM »

I'll be adding a new vent line as soon as I can. Yea, I don't want vented gas running down to the alternator!
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