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« on: October 10, 2014, 06:09:52 PM » |
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Hi everyone!! I have a 1998 Valk 1500 Standard 42000 miles on it, I bought it 5 months ago. I tried to start it one day and it didn't turn over, I could here a loud click noise at the starter relay, I tore into the switch itself on the handlebars, It looked bad so I replace the whole switch assembly, it started right up about a week later same intermittent problems I would just get a loud click noise. I bought a cheap relay switch from ebay, it worked great for a week or two then click! When I cleaned the terminal on the relay (i put the original one back in and it worked for 2 weeks or so, (everyday driver, lots of stops) I cleaned it sprayed electrical stuff on it and it started and ran for 4 days or so then click, I probably shouldn't of but I did the Rattlebars by Chet "Fix your Solenoid for $6.00 (cost me $38.00) I did everything to the T, made sure my solder were clean, heat shrinked it and so on. Darn thing just click! Question: Is there a test I can do to isolate the problem? Question: Would it be the starter itself? Anyone that can help me out I will be greatful. Thanks in advance Jack Tucson AZ  |
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 06:37:08 PM » |
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I don't have an answer for you, but I'm very curious what suggestions you get.
Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 06:39:49 PM » |
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Take battery to a MC service shop and have it load tested.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 06:44:03 PM » |
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Hi everyone!! I have a 1998 Valk 1500 Standard 42000 miles on it, I bought it 5 months ago. I tried to start it one day and it didn't turn over, I could here a loud click noise at the starter relay, I tore into the switch itself on the handlebars, It looked bad so I replace the whole switch assembly, it started right up about a week later same intermittent problems I would just get a loud click noise. I bought a cheap relay switch from ebay, it worked great for a week or two then click! When I cleaned the terminal on the relay (i put the original one back in and it worked for 2 weeks or so, (everyday driver, lots of stops) I cleaned it sprayed electrical stuff on it and it started and ran for 4 days or so then click, I probably shouldn't of but I did the Rattlebars by Chet "Fix your Solenoid for $6.00 (cost me $38.00) I did everything to the T, made sure my solder were clean, heat shrinked it and so on. Darn thing just click! Question: Is there a test I can do to isolate the problem? Question: Would it be the starter itself? Anyone that can help me out I will be greatful. Thanks in advance Jack Tucson AZ Could still be the starter switch. I had to get a new one, and after a short time it stopped working because the brass contacts were not free to move up and down on the spring, so it takes a couple weeks to mash it down good where it no longer works. Id check to make sure its loose and bouncy |
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 08:12:15 PM » |
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Well sounds like you need to get your multi meter out check for voltage drop. Also check grounds could have one not making good contact and that could cause more electrical gremlins than wanted or needed.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 09:13:02 PM » |
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Mine did that on the drive home from the stealership a couple months ago; the starter switch (that you replaced) was the culprit.
Other culprits in the 'Occams Razor" order I'd check:
1. Battery and ground wire to frame connections.
2. Starter relay; will the bike start if you use a pair of screwdrivers and short around the relay? Note that this can prove either your relay is bad... or the connecting wire nut is loose. Relays can also be intermittent, I've discovered.
3. If the battery is more than three years old, get a new one. YMMV, but that is the minimum time I have had multiple car and bike batteries fail.
4. I don't know (yet...) if the Valk starter clutch is prone to failure, and/or is rebuildable. My 1100 Sabre starter clutch just died. $20 for springs and bearings vs $200 for a new starter.
Just saw you're in Tucson. If you ever get over to the old Jap bike club watering hole on alternate Wednesdays (aka Vintage Jap Bikes at the Barrio Grille), I'll be on the Screaming Yellow Zonker Valk Hack rig. At least I hope to be, once I get her finished...
Good luck.
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gordonv
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 06:25:48 AM » |
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I feel if you relay is clicking, then you starter switch is doing it's job, energizing the starter relay.
Starter not spinning after click. Then no electrical power going to the starter.
Could be low power from the battery. When this is happening, not when it's working, put a known good battery jumpered onto your MC (none running vehicle).
Like already mentioned could be a loose or not clean connection.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 08:27:21 AM » |
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You might check the Battery ground cable at the back to the engine. I have found a bad connection there several times. It may look good but go ahead and pull it off and clean it. I would also load test the battery too. I had one in the shop two weeks ago that did the samething. Every time I checked the battery it would read 12.6 volt but when you load tested it, it would fall to nothing and all it would do is make the relay click and then loose all power to everthing.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 06:17:28 PM » |
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I want to thank everyone for the great advice all your information just makes me that much more knowledgeable !! I took the starter switch off (2 months old) it seemed brand new looking, I removed the switch, made sure the headlight was off and jumped the two contacts for the start switch and it started right up, so the problem has to be when the little brass contacts are moved to the start contacts, anyway I believe I isolated the problem, just have to play with it now, once again Thank You for all the advice!!
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2014, 03:46:01 AM » |
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I want to thank everyone for the great advice all your information just makes me that much more knowledgeable !! I took the starter switch off (2 months old) it seemed brand new looking, I removed the switch, made sure the headlight was off and jumped the two contacts for the start switch and it started right up, so the problem has to be when the little brass contacts are moved to the start contacts, anyway I believe I isolated the problem, just have to play with it now, once again Thank You for all the advice!! get a little razor knife (exacto type) and clean the slot the little brass contact rides in, you need it free to bounce up and down on its spring, then put it back together with a little dilactic grease and it should be good for a long time |
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2014, 05:10:51 AM » |
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I want to thank everyone for the great advice all your information just makes me that much more knowledgeable !! I took the starter switch off (2 months old) it seemed brand new looking, I removed the switch, made sure the headlight was off and jumped the two contacts for the start switch and it started right up, so the problem has to be when the little brass contacts are moved to the start contacts, anyway I believe I isolated the problem, just have to play with it now, once again Thank You for all the advice!! get a little razor knife (exacto type) and clean the slot the little brass contact rides in, you need it free to bounce up and down on its spring, then put it back together with a little dilactic grease and it should be good for a long time  |
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2014, 11:33:00 AM » |
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I took the starter switch off (2 months old) it seemed brand new looking, I removed the switch, made sure the headlight was off and jumped the two contacts for the start switch and it started right up, so the problem has to be when the little brass contacts are moved to the start contacts, anyway I believe I isolated the problem, just have to play with it now,
You did mention in your first post that you replaced the starter switch. Maybe we should have asked if it was new or used? Enquiring minds want to know, so what are you looking up know? |
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2014, 10:10:31 PM » |
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Speaking of goofy starter switch problems... A couple years ago we were getting ready to go on a weekend trip on the KLR hack. I had loaded the bike during the week, so it just sat in the garage for a couple days. Suited up, grabbed helmets...and the starter was dead. De-geared up... wife was not happy...  got a screwdriver out and pulled the switch apart - a fricken bug had crawled INTO the switch and wedged his little isolating body between the contacts! Pulled his fried carcass out, hit the contacts with WD40, and have not had the problem since...  |
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2014, 01:58:00 PM » |
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Gordonv: It was a new starter switch assembly I purchased. Update: It started up all day the other day, I drove it to work two days later (today) it didn't start!! just that clicking noise, To recap I load tested my new battery, the starter switch is new, I have a new starter relay, I checked all wires in the headlight area for bad connections, I'm not sure what else to do, I have torn acl's on both knees but managed to push start it to get home, I got home and turn it off then back on about 3 different times and it started up just fine!! Is there a faulty wire I might of missed? Or could it be the starter?
I also put that electronic grease on my starter switch area.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jack
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2014, 06:29:16 PM » |
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Gordonv: It was a new starter switch assembly I purchased. Update: It started up all day the other day, I drove it to work two days later (today) it didn't start!! just that clicking noise, To recap I load tested my new battery, the starter switch is new, I have a new starter relay, I checked all wires in the headlight area for bad connections, I'm not sure what else to do, I have torn acl's on both knees but managed to push start it to get home, I got home and turn it off then back on about 3 different times and it started up just fine!! Is there a faulty wire I might of missed? Or could it be the starter?
I also put that electronic grease on my starter switch area.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jack
Did you check the contact on that new switch to make sure its not stick in its slot? If it cant bounce up and down on its spring it will fail after a short time because it gets pushed down. |
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2014, 08:36:17 AM » |
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Having some similar issues and need to look into it on mine. Was wondering if we could get an update from the original poster as to what he found. May need to check my starter switch again as Chris says.
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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2015, 08:33:25 AM » |
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Last time I had this problem I was in a store parking lot, relay click but wouldn't start.. I removed both battery terminals and scraped the contact area on the battery and terminals clean with my pocket knife. The problem has never shown back up.
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2015, 04:55:21 PM » |
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Gordonv: It was a new starter switch assembly I purchased. Update: It started up all day the other day, I drove it to work two days later (today) it didn't start!! just that clicking noise, To recap I load tested my new battery, the starter switch is new, I have a new starter relay, I checked all wires in the headlight area for bad connections, I'm not sure what else to do, I have torn acl's on both knees but managed to push start it to get home, I got home and turn it off then back on about 3 different times and it started up just fine!! Is there a faulty wire I might of missed? Or could it be the starter?
I also put that electronic grease on my starter switch area.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jack
Next time....save the acl....with the bike in neutral and ignition switch on, short the two big terminals on the start relay with a quarter....will start right up..... |
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