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standard 98 valk-my ? is = what is and where is the pinion cup located or is this a name for the final drive pumpkin. also what maintenance is need for this part?? I have a Honda manual and I'm sure it isn't on any parts pictures. yea yea I feel like a dull headlight but oh well  thanks friends west |
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Steve K (IA)
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 04:47:34 PM » |
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It's part of the final drive. The drive shaft fits into it.
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dragon96
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 05:03:49 PM » |
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Pull the drive shaft out and clean it ! In the bottom of the cup you will find 2 holes make sure they are open ! This allows the rearend oil to get into the cup and keep it lubed !
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BobB
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 05:29:03 PM » |
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Here is what the pinion cup and drive shaft look like...  ... but you do not want the splines to look like that. There is mixed opinion on the lubrication within the cup. To grease or not to grease (and allow the cup to be lubricated as the Honda engineers intended) is the question. I'm a greaser because the above cup and drive shaft totally failed while I was 770 miles from home... |
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salty1
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2015, 05:35:26 PM » |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2015, 07:50:15 AM » |
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To grease or not to grease (and allow the cup to be lubricated as the Honda engineers intended) is the question.
There is absolutely no question as to whether to grease those splines or not. Honda says use 3% moly grease, and I follow this. Others may use other grease, but to forgo grease and rely entirely on gear oil to make its way into those two little holes is foolish. By all means, when greasing the splines, take care to prevent grease from plugging the holes. |
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2015, 08:48:31 AM » |
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To grease or not to grease (and allow the cup to be lubricated as the Honda engineers intended) is the question.
There is absolutely no question as to whether to grease those splines or not. Honda says use 3% moly grease, and I follow this. Others may use other grease, but to forgo grease and rely entirely on gear oil to make its way into those two little holes is foolish. By all means, when greasing the splines, take care to prevent grease from plugging the holes. Ive been using the hondamoly60. I hope I'm not f'g up . |
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2015, 09:56:09 AM » |
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To grease or not to grease (and allow the cup to be lubricated as the Honda engineers intended) is the question.
There is absolutely no question as to whether to grease those splines or not. Honda says use 3% moly grease, and I follow this. Others may use other grease, but to forgo grease and rely entirely on gear oil to make its way into those two little holes is foolish. By all means, when greasing the splines, take care to prevent grease from plugging the holes. Ive been using the hondamoly60. I hope I'm not f'g up . I can't speak to the risk of damage, but here's the relevant info:   |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2015, 06:25:39 PM » |
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The two holes allow the shaft to be easily assembled into the pinion cup. They vent air, otherwise a greased shaft would be a piston in a cylinder. We design vent holes like that into industrial equipment.
Hey Pluggy, we agree.  Always thought that was the main purpose, just never felt the need to join in on the "conversation." I'm sure that area gets some lube from the rear end oil, but not enough to take the place of a good grease job. So, how's things by you up yonder....No. Carolina, correct? You need to make yourself known on here more often. John |
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F6Dave
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2015, 07:30:38 AM » |
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When my Valk was only a few years old I stopped by a Honda dealership to ask about shaft maintenance. The shop had a good reputation and I talked to the service manager. They were changing tires on a 1500 Wing so he pulled the shaft out of the final drive and showed me how they lubed it. They packed as much grease into the pinion cup as they could. I asked what kind and he said 'any grease - it doesn't matter'.
So I've been following his advice and load up the pinion cup with lots grease every time I service it. I use Mobil 1 synthetic, which looks like the pink stuff they were using at the Honda shop. It blocks those trouble-prone holes completely. The method seems to work. My 2 Valks have over 260,000 combined miles and the driveshafts and pinion cups in both are still fine.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2015, 07:44:07 AM » |
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When my Valk was only a few years old I stopped by a Honda dealership to ask about shaft maintenance. The shop had a good reputation and I talked to the service manager. They were changing tires on a 1500 Wing so he pulled the shaft out of the final drive and showed me how they lubed it. They packed as much grease into the pinion cup as they could. I asked what kind and he said 'any grease - it doesn't matter'.
So I've been following his advice and load up the pinion cup with lots grease every time I service it. I use Mobil 1 synthetic, which looks like the pink stuff they were using at the Honda shop. It blocks those trouble-prone holes completely. The method seems to work. My 2 Valks have over 260,000 combined miles and the driveshafts and pinion cups in both are still fine.
I agree, been using a liberal amount of grease in the cup and never cared if the holes were plugged. Never had a pinion cup problem and its always like new when I clean it off. I have historically used the Moly 60 "paste" from Honda in the black tube for the pinion cup and u-joint simply because I bought it for the final drive but quickly discovered its really a grease even though it says paste. Its a good grease for somewhere that stays dry (like the cup) Its not very water resistant and its not strong enough for the drive splines. Well now that its all used up finally (that little tube lasts a long time) Ill either have to go to the Dealership to get more or just use the Belray assembly lube with moly that I bought. I also agree it hardly matters what quality grease you use as long as you use it |
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