Honda 60% Moly Paste

[gordonv]

I bought some Honda 60% Moly paste for my splines when I installed my Austone Taxi tire this weekend, and when I bought the paste from a Honda dealer, he said that you couldn't buy it any longer in the US. It was being discontinued.

Has anyone else heard of this? It seems that the product is from the US, so I can't see it not be available there, but still in Canada.

[sandy]

Now put that on the back shelf and get Bel Ray waterproof grease. I have 149K on perfect splines with nothing but Bel Ray. Ratdog in Seattle use to make a schmooie of Bel Ray and paste and had no issues. The 60% paste isn't waterproof and disappears before a modern tire wears out.

[Tfrank59]

I bought some last fall on eBay, and it wasn't from a Honda dealer but it was a US-based seller. And I read a lot about the Belray and the other lubricants, but I figured Honda knows what they're talking about when they say to use that Moly 60 paste.  On the other hand, if I open her up at the next tire change and find that it ain't doing its job I will switch.

[Tfrank59]

I bought some last fall on eBay, and it wasn't from a Honda dealer but it was a US-based seller. And I read a lot about the Belray and the other lubricants, but I figured Honda knows what they're talking about when they say to use that Moly 60 paste.  On the other hand, if I open her up at the next tire change and find that it ain't doing its job I will switch.

Okay after I posted above, I just checked eBay and it says that Moly 60 paste has been upgraded to Moly 77   whatever that means.

[Chrisj CMA]

I bought some Honda 60% Moly paste for my splines when I installed my Austone Taxi tire this weekend, and when I bought the paste from a Honda dealer, he said that you couldn't buy it any longer in the US. It was being discontinued.

Has anyone else heard of this? It seems that the product is from the US, so I can't see it not be available there, but still in Canada.

Took long enough. 

I wrote a letter to Mother Honda years ago telling them just how inferior and insufficient that grease is.  BTW its not a paste as advertised.  Its good for both ends of the driveshaft, THATS IT.  They replied to me by phone call (no paper trail) their answer was something to the effect that my letter was the best complaint letter they ever read, it was respectful and intelligent and right on the money and I was right in my accusation that they don't use the product their selves.  In essence they said ya we know its inferior but its what we have to sell and not enough people have complained yet

[Chrisj CMA]

I bought some last fall on eBay, and it wasn't from a Honda dealer but it was a US-based seller. And I read a lot about the Belray and the other lubricants, but I figured Honda knows what they're talking about when they say to use that Moly 60 paste.  On the other hand, if I open her up at the next tire change and find that it ain't doing its job I will switch.

Okay after I posted above, I just checked eBay and it says that Moly 60 paste has been upgraded to Moly 77   whatever that means.

Well, Ill say it again.  If Honda doesn't use it, my favorite mechanic at the dealership doesn't use it, Honda says the 60 is no good, why should the 77 be any better?  The main problem was the consistency (its a grease not a paste) and the fact that its not very water resistant.  The 77 probably means they added more moly (from 60% to 77%) if the base grease is the same then its still not worth the risk. 

The Belray is good stuff and so is their assembly lube (looks just like Guard Dog moly) I also use a heavy duty equipment water resistant grease made by Lucas instead of the Belray. (see my slide show) From what I have seen comparing bikes with each, they seem to perform just as good as each other WAY BETTER THAN THE HONDA STUFF.

So you can take the words of those of us that have success stories, or you can wait until your splines are fried and wonder why you didn't trust us, either way its your bike

Belray Assembly Lube



Lucas grease on top of that


I use these two products on all the bikes I service rear ends except one.  He uses Belray Waterproof Grease.  All have perfect splines time after time and one guy got lazy and went 20K miles before a regrease and all was well

[Tfrank59]

Well now you're scaring me – I feel like I got to open up my back wheel and replace the lube now.  My PO didn't do any spline lube, which is why my splines were half eaten when I open them up for a tire change.

[Chrisj CMA]

Well now you're scaring me – I feel like I got to open up my back wheel and replace the lube now.  My PO didn't do any spline lube, which is why my splines were half eaten when I open them up for a tire change.

If you put a good amount of Honda 60 in the female side (final drive) and NOT rode in any heavy rain, you should be good.  If you have rode in a "gully washer", Id redo it

[Tfrank59]

Well I haven't been in any heavy rain, but I've ridden in the rain. My question is what about all the O-rings and seals (and I did replace them all) that are supposed to keep moisture out of there – are we saying they don't really do the job?

[Gryphon Rider]

I just bought this stuff and will be applying it in the next couple of weeks:



65% molybdenum disulfide

http://www.henkelna.com/adhesives/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797877698561

[Chrisj CMA]

Well I haven't been in any heavy rain, but I've ridden in the rain. My question is what about all the O-rings and seals (and I did replace them all) that are supposed to keep moisture out of there – are we saying they don't really do the job?

No they don't keep water out.  It was always my thought they were there to keep the grease in, they don't do a 100% job of that either.  Its an open gear system that WILL get wet.  Use of the best water resistant grease and paste you can use will reduce failure chances.  Honda 60 is not that.

[Chrisj CMA]

If I were just starting out, knowing what I know about different greases and how they have performed on our drive splines...I would spend some time on the Belray website.  They have lubes, pastes, greases for every application.  you could get it all one stop.  I think they have the best product line going right now.  However, I have been using the combination of Lucas HD and Belray assembly lube or Guard Dog Moly for years so Ill at least use up what I have.

[old2soon]

Went with the Guard Dog Moly shortly after I bought the Phatt Ghurl. 67000 miles later that I put on I am NOT sorry with my choice. AND I have a bad habit of twisting her tail-a LOT! Good equipment serviced properly rarely lets you down.  RIDE SAFE.

[Tfrank59]

I just bought this...Belray Assembly Lube with Molylube Soilds 10 ounces.  Guard Dog was a bit pricy if it's the same basic stuff.  Now I guess I'll get her apart after just 5k and see how the Honda 60 did and relube with Belray.

[westnek]

If I were just starting out, knowing what I know about different greases and how they have performed on our drive splines...I would spend some time on the Belray website.  They have lubes, pastes, greases for every application.  you could get it all one stop.  I think they have the best product line going right now.  However, I have been using the combination of Lucas HD and Belray assembly lube or Guard Dog Moly for years so Ill at least use up what I have.

   hi chris -west here- I just did  my splines and I used moly grease used for fifth wheels on tractor trailers. it was black and thick as what other moly lubes look like. hope I did right thing.
whats your thoughts to this   west  - take care  and thanks

[Chrisj CMA]

If I were just starting out, knowing what I know about different greases and how they have performed on our drive splines...I would spend some time on the Belray website.  They have lubes, pastes, greases for every application.  you could get it all one stop.  I think they have the best product line going right now.  However, I have been using the combination of Lucas HD and Belray assembly lube or Guard Dog Moly for years so Ill at least use up what I have.

   hi chris -west here- I just did  my splines and I used moly grease used for fifth wheels on tractor trailers. it was black and thick as what other moly lubes look like. hope I did right thing.
whats your thoughts to this   west  - take care  and thanks

Sounds like fine grese...as long as you put it INSIDE the final drive female splines and not just on the flange male ones like this.....you should be ok

[sandy]

I just bought this stuff and will be applying it in the next couple of weeks:



65% molybdenum disulfide

http://www.henkelna.com/adhesives/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797877698561

Same as Hondas paste: different jug. Mix it with Bel Ray and you won't have wasted your money.

[vic]

I just bought this stuff and will be applying it in the next couple of weeks:



65% molybdenum disulfide

http://www.henkelna.com/adhesives/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797877698561

I've been using this Loctite brand Moly Paste since my bike was new and my splines are in excellent shape.   Loctite 65% Moly Paste where the manual calls for "paste" and Redline 3% red moly Grease where the manual calls for "grease".   Both have done my bike good!!!

[98valk]

these guys http://www.jbjcycles.com/  did an article in Rider magazine over 10 yrs ago. they stated that the honda moly paste will protect the splines for 40k miles. using anything else requires a re-lube every tire change. the moly provides the protection not really the grease/paste. this has been posted many times before
I use TS-70 moly paste.
http://www.tsmoly.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=89
it is use in undersea oil rig conditions. I've been caught in major down pours with slight flooding to the wheel rim. another 5k was time more a new tire. paste was still there.

[pocobubba]

WOW , CA that stuffs expensive

[Pluggy]

It may interest you...  I work at the plant that makes the heavy-duty impact tools.  Tools you would build a bridge with.  We also make air-powered starters for Cummins.  The spline connections on the inside of the products get moly paste.  The bearings that turn at speed, some 15,000 RPM, get Royal Purple grease.  

Want to work fast?  Here is a link to our NASCAR product:

http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com/am-en/solutions/garage-solutions/maximum-impact-enewsletter/feature-articles/HM-Hurd-Pit-tools-and-equipment

[98valk]

WOW , CA that stuffs expensive

Wow to me also.  I didn't realize how much the price went up. I brought mine 15 yrs ago when I first got the bike and it wasn't that much.
still great stuff. I think they make the guard dog also which is less? but that came out after I bought my stash.

[gordonv]

I remember now reading this discussion before, about the Moly not being good enough. Too late for me. Sounds like I can get around it buy buying some water proof grease, and adding some of the Moly to it.

Any idea of how much, like 50/50, 10/90 (Moly/Grease)?

Belray grease was what I was going to buy for the axle. I just add a little multi grease I had around, to what was there.

I'll be taking it all apart again in 1-2 years to redo the lube job.

[Chrisj CMA]

I remember now reading this discussion before, about the Moly not being good enough. Too late for me. Sounds like I can get around it buy buying some water proof grease, and adding some of the Moly to it.

Any idea of how much, like 50/50, 10/90 (Moly/Grease)?

Belray grease was what I was going to buy for the axle. I just add a little multi grease I had around, to what was there.

I'll be taking it all apart again in 1-2 years to redo the lube job.

Gordon, don't stress on the ratio Moly to Waterproof.  Just put a light coat of Moly on the male splines and put a bunch of the Belray waterproof stuff inside the female side (final drive) like I show in my slide show in Shoptalk.

[Tfrank59]

I just bought this...Belray Assembly Lube with Molylube Soilds 10 ounces.  Guard Dog was a bit pricy if it's the same basic stuff.  Now I guess I'll get her apart after just 5k and see how the Honda 60 did and relube with Belray.

So I got the back wheel/pumpkin off the girl today after only 5k to redo the lube with Belray moly grease.  Splines and drive shaft pinion all looked great--no visible change from Jan when I did the rear tire and used Honda 60 paste.  There was also no sign that any moisture got in past the redeye O-rings I used, but I didn't ride in any heavy rain all winter.  That job is still a pain for me, esp. taking it off and putting it all back on in the same day.  I think I'll leave her alone now until she needs another back tire.

[heavyd]

Lucas grease on top of that


I use these two products on all the bikes I service rear ends except one.  He uses Belray Waterproof Grease.  All have perfect splines time after time and one guy got lazy and went 20K miles before a regrease and all was well

I was using that same Lucas grease on my driveshaft/pinion cup until I pulled it apart after 10-12k and it had dried out so bad I has to scrape it off with a screwdriver. When I drained my final drive there was metal on my magnetic drain plug that seems to be my drive shaft splines, so my lucas grease went in the garbage.

[Gryphon Rider]

I was using that same Lucas grease on my driveshaft/pinion cup until I pulled it apart after 10-12k and it had dried out so bad I has to scrape it off with a screwdriver. When I drained my final drive there was metal on my magnetic drain plug that seems to be my drive shaft splines, so my lucas grease went in the garbage.

Why throw it out instead of using it for what it is designed to do?  I would have no problem using it for the front end of the drive shaft, or for packing bearings or greasing my truck's suspension and steering components, or coating my trailer hitch ball.  The place where you used it requires 3% MOLY grease, not chassis/bearing grease.

[Chrisj CMA]

I showed exactly how I do it on my powerpoint show.  Doing it that way for years on half a dozen bikes and well over 250K combined miles with no problem.  Moly HAS to be suspended in  a grease.  So I put a strong moly paste on the male splines and good water resistant grease in the female side and all seems well time after time.........like I say you do what you want, do what works for you......Just sharing a tried and true system that has never failed yet.

[Tfrank59]

Lucas grease on top of that


I use these two products on all the bikes I service rear ends except one.  He uses Belray Waterproof Grease.  All have perfect splines time after time and one guy got lazy and went 20K miles before a regrease and all was well

I was using that same Lucas grease on my driveshaft/pinion cup until I pulled it apart after 10-12k and it had dried out so bad I has to scrape it off with a screwdriver. When I drained my final drive there was metal on my magnetic drain plug that seems to be my drive shaft splines, so my lucas grease went in the garbage.

Hard to imagine that driveshaft spline metal shavings got into your final drive oil.  Sure that just wasn't from your final drive bearings or gears?  You said the Lucas grease was hardened onto the Pinion cup and stuff, but was it ruined?

[Steve K (IA)]

I use the BelRay waterproof grease because my Honda shop says that's all they use and they never seen a failure.  The splines on both my Valks look pretty good. 

[Novavalker]

Now put that on the back shelf and get Bel Ray waterproof grease. I have 149K on perfect splines with nothing but Bel Ray. Ratdog in Seattle use to make a schmooie of Bel Ray and paste and had no issues. The 60% paste isn't waterproof and disappears before a modern tire wears out.

+1
Been using Bel Ray for years and have 204,000km on my Interstate.

[Gryphon Rider]

I just bought this stuff and will be applying it in the next couple of weeks:



65% molybdenum disulfide

http://www.henkelna.com/adhesives/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797877698561

Same as Hondas paste: different jug. Mix it with Bel Ray and you won't have wasted your money.

Do you have anything to back up your assertions?
I can tell you it's quite a bit thicker than the Pro Honda 60 moly paste I used to good effect for the first 115,000 km on my Valk.  I think it will stay in place much better than the Honda stuff, but time will tell.  I'm not worried.

[98valk]

http://cx500forum.com/forum/technical-help-forum/18104-honda-moly-60-paste-vs-loctite-moly-65-paste-2.html

[Gryphon Rider]

http://cx500forum.com/forum/technical-help-forum/18104-honda-moly-60-paste-vs-loctite-moly-65-paste-2.html

I started looking at the posts on that thread, but soon realized it's just a bunch of speculation and opinions, much like here, and thus didn't add any value to this discussion.  Or did you find a gem of solid information somewhere in there that I hadn't found yet?

[Farther]

...it's just a bunch of speculation and opinions, much like here, and thus didn't add any value to this discussion....

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

[Gryphon Rider]

...it's just a bunch of speculation and opinions, much like here, and thus didn't add any value to this discussion....

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

While reaffirming the gloomy assessments of the study, Logsdon held out hope that the threat of fact-resistant humans could be mitigated in the future. “Our research is very preliminary, but it’s possible that they will become more receptive to facts once they are in an environment without food, water, or oxygen,” he said.

In those conditions I become receptive to a much smaller set of facts.

[Farther]

...it's just a bunch of speculation and opinions, much like here, and thus didn't add any value to this discussion....

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

While reaffirming the gloomy assessments of the study, Logsdon held out hope that the threat of fact-resistant humans could be mitigated in the future. “Our research is very preliminary, but it’s possible that they will become more receptive to facts once they are in an environment without food, water, or oxygen,” he said.

In those conditions I become receptive to a much smaller set of facts.

Ya, they left off waterboarding.

[98valk]

http://cx500forum.com/forum/technical-help-forum/18104-honda-moly-60-paste-vs-loctite-moly-65-paste-2.html

I started looking at the posts on that thread, but soon realized it's just a bunch of speculation and opinions, much like here, and thus didn't add any value to this discussion.  Or did you find a gem of solid information somewhere in there that I hadn't found yet?

just some of the links to other sites.