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Hello all, Over the last 6 months I've been working with with a manufacturer to produce an exhaust systems specifically for the new model Valkyrie. Also available will be sets of torq loopz modified also to fit the new late model bikes. I'm still working on a website for it and the welder has a few sets in stock, but typically we'll be planning on a 2 week turnaround. The bike is not entirely assembled yet, but here's a preview of the black set installed with caps:  And from behind:  There are adjustable baffles so suit your noise preference and will be available in ceramic black or chrome. There will also be available sets of torque loopz from torqmasterpipes.com that are specific to the new valkyrie as well. The preliminary pricing is as follows: Mufflers -Black Ceramic = $800US -Chrome = $650US Torq Loopz (from torqmasterpipes.com) -Chrome or Ceramic Black = $350US Caps/ends -Rings -Turn outs -Turn downs -Slash cut (all prices TBD) Let me know if any of you guys/girls are interested. I'll try to flesh out this post more if there are questions or anyone needs details. I'll also be posting a video so you can hear the exhaust in the next week or so (hopefully sooner). Sorry it's kind of light on details, but I don't normally sell exhaust systems, so let me know what other information you need. No headers yet, I'm still hoping... -Xak |
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2015, 01:56:07 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2015, 01:57:28 PM » |
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Very cool!! Good to see some of you new version Valk owners stepping up and being inventive/proactive I'm sure as with the original group of the 97 version, things will be popping up all over. And a lot will come from you the owners. Never as fast as is wanted but life is like that sometimes. Very nice looking addition to the new Valk. Ya'll enjoy these moments. I have a feeling the new Valk like the original will be short lived.......As most will not be attracted to something outside the accepted mold. But the bikes themselves will be here long after most of us pass on. Honda doesn't usually give us exactly what we want. And she can be a cold hard hearted Bitch sometimes, but She doe's know how to make a great, long lasting and enjoyable ride. Enjoy  |
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2015, 02:05:41 PM » |
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Honestly I agree, I think it's going to be a short run again. That's fine with me, I got mine |
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2015, 03:12:12 PM » |
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Honestly I agree, I think it's going to be a short run again. That's fine with me, I got mine Yep, I agree as well. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2015, 06:49:05 PM » |
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well this is great, but what about some slip on 6 for the valkyrie, ... sorry to be asking for more but i really like the way that makes these bikes look. i did email tork master and got a 1 day response saying they had no intention on making them. how about you guys? it took me 14 years before i finally bought 6 into 6 for my old valkyrie, 1 month after i put those puppies on i got took out by the blind cage driver.  i dont want to wait that long this time.... anyway thanks and nice job!! |
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2015, 07:21:07 PM » |
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Looks mean nothing to me. The stock exhaust "looks" fine. It just sounds lame. What's it sound like?
Also, let's see a dyno sheet before the slip ons VS after. I want to see how they affect the torq curve. I guess I could supply my dyno sheet for the stock Valkyrie but I'd rather the bike be done before and after on the same dyno.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2015, 08:52:50 PM » |
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Sorry no 6 into six because this system doesn't include the header. This is unfortunately the only design right now.
Sound wise I think it sounds good with the single baffle in but the noise is adjustable to your taste. I'll have a video up soon, but I don't have a recording studio so I'll do the best I can.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2015, 07:01:32 AM » |
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i said that wrong or it was misinterpreted wrong, a set of pipes like you have showing (made) but 3 together going into 1 collector. goldwind has them and calls then slip ons. then will not fit the vlkyrie
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2015, 09:33:42 AM » |
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Yeah sorry, nothing like that for this design I'm afraid. The exhaust manifold (and then the catalytic convertors behind them) collects immediately into one pipe, so you'd either need a different header or the 3-into-1 look would just be a cover or some other trim piece.
If someone knows a source on full headers for this engine that will fit a valkyrie, I'd be interested to see them. I wouldn't mind altering this system to fit a header if i could find a good one.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2015, 04:32:37 AM » |
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Yeah sorry, nothing like that for this design I'm afraid. The exhaust manifold (and then the catalytic convertors behind them) collects immediately into one pipe, so you'd either need a different header or the 3-into-1 look would just be a cover or some other trim piece.
If someone knows a source on full headers for this engine that will fit a valkyrie, I'd be interested to see them. I wouldn't mind altering this system to fit a header if i could find a good one.
Really nice looking and will wait for sound byte, in designing this you know that the exhaust really is a header maybe not equal length but still a header with its own collector. They just run it into the cat but the torque tubes would take care of that. What would you really be looking for in a header totally separate pipes into the exhaust? Seems to me that cutting the existing header and running a strait pipe does the same thing. The other question that I don't know if you can answer the torque tubes don't have a balance pipe connected between them doesn't this actually drop hp? This drop in hp may also be if someone did indeed build a totally separate pipe exhaust system. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2015, 06:26:04 AM » |
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Really nice looking and will wait for sound byte, in designing this you know that the exhaust really is a header maybe not equal length but still a header with its own collector. They just run it into the cat but the torque tubes would take care of that. What would you really be looking for in a header totally separate pipes into the exhaust? Seems to me that cutting the existing header and running a strait pipe does the same thing. The other question that I don't know if you can answer the torque tubes don't have a balance pipe connected between them doesn't this actually drop hp? This drop in hp may also be if someone did indeed build a totally separate pipe exhaust system.
Well I'm not really sure about the specifics of the definition of "header" versus "manifold", so I'll describe it differently. What I'd like is an equal length header that combines in a merge collector instead of what we have now which is just three pipes that basically dump at uneven times. To be honest, this setup wouldn't likely result an any extra horsepower at all, but it would make the sound of the exhaust better (in my opinion anyway). Plus if someone is making a header, then primary tubes may be available in different sizes, which again could affect the sound of the exhaust. In case it's not clear, I'm really only interested in making the bike sound good, it's not my performance ride and I don't think I'll ever put the money into this bike to make it super fast. That said, I did send the ECU out to Don Ghul for tuning.... As for the crossover tubes, I had the exact same question. It seems like the balancer tubing would be more valuable than the loss of catalytic converters. However, i have spoken to a few honda-specific mechanics and several guys who do honda performance work and they all agreed that the balance tube didn't serve the same purpose in this particular engine and would not likely result in any extra torque or horsepower. Originally I was going to leave it in place but they talked me out of it. I'll let you know how I feel about it after a few months of riding. I may even end up welding in a new balance tube to the torq loops just to see. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2015, 05:15:51 PM » |
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Personally I like the sound of the stock exhaust and have noticed how the tone changes as the bike gets more hours on it..
I just wish it was a tad bit louder...
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2015, 08:04:57 PM » |
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I am trying to understand the construction of these mufflers. Some have drilled holes in the fake tubes which do not in my opinion produce the desired sound. I am looking for a deep rumble. Like the original sound but deeper. Looking into the actual output pipe it seems like the tube goes almost 14 inches in then there is a gap of about an inch were there is a baffle plate in front of the input pipe coming into the muffler. The exhaust travels around the baffle towards the rear and disberses into a secondary chamber back to the front by the baffle and then discharges into the tub back out the rear of the muffler. I was thinking of what effect drilling a small hole in that baffle at the front of the muffler but if it caused an undesirable effect would be impossible to plug. Was also thinking of cutting slits in the tube up near the end by the baffle causing the gases to discharge earlier in the output pipe and thus increase the sound output. A lot of the design has to do with acoustics and do not know what effect this would have. I drilled a hole in one of the pipes myself which created what sounded like a leaking exhaust or bad muffler and plugged it back up. These pipes look interesting but would need to hear a good sound bite. Most posted sound clips are made with a phone or some other inadaquit method whick dampens the sound resulting in a not to good a representation of the actual sound. I will keep my ears open for a good clip. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 10:10:21 AM » |
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Sorry for the delay everyone, I tried to get a video this weekend, but I only had a cheap camera and it didn't get a good sample of the sound. I'm going to try again with a better recorder and get something posted.
Keep in mind the sound can be tuned quite a bit. Originally I ran it with no baffles and it had a great deep sound, but droned a bit. I now have one baffle in and I'm going to see how it does. That will be the video I post. There is room for 2 baffles in each muffler if you want it even quieter. The location of each baffle can be adjusted somewhat to tune the sound to your preference.
Also, whether or not you run catalytic converters will also drastically affect your sound.
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 06:20:04 AM » |
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Hello all, Over the last 6 months I've been working with with a manufacturer to produce an exhaust systems specifically for the new model Valkyrie. Also available will be sets of torq loopz modified also to fit the new late model bikes. I'm still working on a website for it and the welder has a few sets in stock, but typically we'll be planning on a 2 week turnaround. The bike is not entirely assembled yet, but here's a preview of the black set installed with caps: And from behind: There are adjustable baffles so suit your noise preference and will be available in ceramic black or chrome. There will also be available sets of torque loopz from torqmasterpipes.com that are specific to the new valkyrie as well. The preliminary pricing is as follows: Mufflers -Black Ceramic = $800US -Chrome = $650US Torq Loopz (from torqmasterpipes.com) -Chrome or Ceramic Black = $350US Caps/ends -Rings -Turn outs -Turn downs -Slash cut (all prices TBD) Let me know if any of you guys/girls are interested. I'll try to flesh out this post more if there are questions or anyone needs details. I'll also be posting a video so you can hear the exhaust in the next week or so (hopefully sooner). Sorry it's kind of light on details, but I don't normally sell exhaust systems, so let me know what other information you need. No headers yet, I'm still hoping... -Xak how do the caps connect? |
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 06:53:49 AM » |
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So far all of the caps connect with rivets. On the set you see here, those caps have two holes drilled in them and then I'll be sealing them with RTV. The sealer wouldn't be required if I put the rivets around the whole diameter of the pipe, but I wanted them hidden so I put two on the bottom. We'll see if it works.
The other ends use a sleeve that is riveted in place and then you attach whatever end you want.
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 05:10:11 PM » |
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So far they look OK. I want to hear how they stack up VS the actual Torq Master pipes sound. The Torq Masters sounded basically identical to the stock exhaust to me. Since without a fuel computer the pipes aren't actually going to make any real HP/TQ increases, sound is the name of the game at this point.........
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2015, 04:21:27 PM » |
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Well, maybe it's just me but, I kinda like the sound of the new Valkyrie.
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2015, 11:03:00 AM » |
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Hello everyone, I haven't forgotten about the sound clip. I'm just having trouble recording a good sample. I just have cell phones and one HD digital video camera so I have to find good acoustics. So far the ones I've recorded barely sound like anything. From those videos you wouldn't have any idea what it sounds like. I want a good sample before anyone buys anything.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2015, 08:31:29 PM » |
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That's the problem with most simple devices. They dampen loud or harsh audio and filter out background or wind interference. Phones are the worst. Most sound clips I have played are distorted are obviously dampened. Definitely would like to hear good sound clip. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2015, 04:18:06 AM » |
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Which is exactly my problem. I'll get a good sample or bust!
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2015, 11:35:51 AM » |
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Well after numerous attempts, I have a couple of videos that will give you at least an idea of the sound. The pipes have one baffle in this current configuration. I have one video of it at idle where I rev it gently a couple times: http://youtu.be/252ATOVcQwwAnd another where I'm accelerating up a hill: http://youtu.be/P7tr_9Bddr0I couldn't do a whole lot of takes because the bike isn't completely back together so it's not really street legal right now, and I was trying not to piss off the neighbors. Once I have everything back together I'll take it somewhere I can really get on it and get some more samples but this is a start at least. More than I had to judge my last 3 exhausts by! |
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2015, 11:31:48 PM » |
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The idling video...... such a weird sound they make.
The riding video kind of reminded me of the Jetsons car from the cartoon.
Discount my opinion readily though, as I've never heard a set of pipes by video that I was particularly impressed with. Typically they only sound good in real life. Someone get brave and buy a set so I can fly out and hear them in person then maybe I'll buy a set.
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2015, 05:00:25 AM » |
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Yeah like I said, I couldn't get a great recording without a studio or something. Also, those pipes have a single baffle in them, which I may personally remove. Without the baffle what it sounds like to me is a small block chevy engine (like a 327) with a pair of flowmaster 2 chamber mufflers. That's the closest comparison I can give. If you were going to fly out to hear them, why wouldn't you just fly where I am? They're already installed  Honestly though, I only built the pipes for my own bike. If nobody wants any, that just keeps mine unique. I'm not likely to do any major marketing to sell them and there's not a big profit to be made. I just knew I wanted new pipes for mine as soon as I got it. I don't like the factory sound or look. |
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2015, 05:14:13 AM » |
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I don't like the factory sound or look.
Your pipes look great and I would think that people who want
a vroom-vroom sound would jump on them, especially since
you have the adjustable baffles in them...
I'm satisfied with the looks of the OEM ones, and I like
being able to hear stuff other than the exhaust when
I am riding. I temporarily have a bias-ply dunlop on
the front (another thread has that story) and it HOWLS
through the twisties on a smooth road, its kind of fun hearing
that. Cruising through the woods at the right speed, most of
my bike's sound is behind me, and I can hear sounds from
the woods (loud birds and stuff)...
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2015, 06:07:52 AM » |
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I don't like the factory sound or look.
Your pipes look great and I would think that people who want
a vroom-vroom sound would jump on them, especially since
you have the adjustable baffles in them...
I'm satisfied with the looks of the OEM ones, and I like
being able to hear stuff other than the exhaust when
I am riding. I temporarily have a bias-ply dunlop on
the front (another thread has that story) and it HOWLS
through the twisties on a smooth road, its kind of fun hearing
that. Cruising through the woods at the right speed, most of
my bike's sound is behind me, and I can hear sounds from
the woods (loud birds and stuff)...
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2015, 06:47:55 AM » |
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Hey that's the point of customizing your bike right? Make it the way you want it.
To be fair, I think the valk exhaust looks and sounds better than any other factory exhaust like it, so if you were going to leave one stock, this should be it.
I used to build old hot rods so I had a very specific look and sound in mind when I decided to start on this bike. I wasn't saying the stock one was bad.
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2015, 10:32:47 AM » |
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You, sir, make a very convincing argument. PM sent.
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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2015, 02:05:52 PM » |
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Responded. You're welcome to come hang. Would be good to have someone who isn't me weigh in on the sound.
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2015, 10:57:30 AM » |
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very cool - thanks for uploading those sound clips!
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2015, 11:23:20 AM » |
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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2015, 04:39:36 AM » |
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What part of the country are you in?
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2015, 07:26:00 AM » |
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I'm in Georgia about 30 minutes south of Atlanta.
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2015, 06:22:17 PM » |
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2015, 06:46:31 AM » |
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 Surprised to see the two cats are connected. Not sure what the design goal might be but I do not like it. Think I will install the Loopz. |
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2015, 07:45:00 AM » |
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The cats are connected to form a crossover or balance tube. It actually works extremely well with or without the cats to even out exhaust pulses. I have the loops on mine now, but I have not ruled out the possibility of adding a crossover later. My other bikes and cars have them.
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2015, 07:58:04 AM » |
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One of the few aftermarket pipes for the old Valkyries that
reportedly increased HP had a crossover.
MarkT has a crossover option...
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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2015, 08:08:22 AM » |
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MarkT?
One of the only guys still making cool aftermarket pipes for the old Valkyrie. He makes them from OEM pipes. He is a vendor for this club, and his ad "Horseapple Ranch" will be at the top of the page a lot of the time. He doesn't have a new Valkyrie and probably doesn't care anything about making pipes for them, but if he did they would probably be good... His pipes are supposed to make more HP, and have all kinds of bling options... -Mike |
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