Anybody happen to see this video. Just asking.....

[John Schmidt]

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[Gear Jammer]

Yep, I've seen it before.   You can't fool all the people all the time, and I'm guessing Marines are fooled very seldom. 

[John Schmidt]

Yep, I've seen it before.   You can't fool all the people all the time, and I'm guessing Marines are fooled very seldom.  

 

Most of them didn't much use for Hillary either when Billy boy was in the White House.

[Scanner]

Maybe the Bush vid was before they found out they'd been lied to about why they were there!  

Before they realized their body armor was junk, Humvees were un-armored, water they were provided was polluted, and 4300 of their brothers were dead with 35000 severely wounded and placed in vermin infested VA hospitals like Walter Reed.

Before they'd had 4 or 5 deployments or called back by "stop loss".

But,  "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So "Bring em on!"

[6shutr]

Often times folks are blinded to the character of a man by ideology, and to some folks the character of a man isn't important. As for me the character of a man is the most important quality. Commander in Chief Bush honored the Marines, showed humble respect for them, and offered God's blessing on them, and America, and they honored him in return. Maybe the Marines felt no respect from President Obama, maybe they felt contempt, those certainly are things that can be felt, by most, when they are encountered. Words offered up that come from the heart of the speaker are felt by the listener of those words in his own heart. But words coming from the mouth of a speaker that bypass the heart are not usually received in the heart of those listening. If I were to pass judgement on the comparisons, I'd say the Marines Enemy Identification was spot on!

6shutr         

[HotRod]

Often times folks are blinded to the character of a man by ideology, and to some folks the character of a man isn't important. As for me the character of a man is the most important quality. Commander in Chief Bush honored the Marines, showed humble respect for them, and offered God's blessing on them, and America, and they honored him in return. Maybe the Marines felt no respect from President Obama, maybe they felt contempt, those certainly are things that can be felt, by most, when they are encountered. Words offered up that come from the heart of the speaker are felt by the listener of those words in his own heart. But words coming from the mouth of a speaker that bypass the heart are not usually received in the heart of those listening. If I were to pass judgement on the comparisons, I'd say the Marines Enemy Identification was spot on!

6shutr         

Here Here Rick, very well said my brother. Pictures dont lie, I sure miss a good leader.

[Scanner]

Incredible...you're kidding right?.... A good leader????????? LOL....Look where he led us!   Look at what he did to our country!

Whew....unbelievable....what are they putting in that Kool Aid these days?

Humble respect? wow

[PAVALKER]

Often times folks are blinded to the character of a man by ideology, and to some folks the character of a man isn't important. As for me the character of a man is the most important quality. Commander in Chief Bush honored the Marines, showed humble respect for them, and offered God's blessing on them, and America, and they honored him in return. Maybe the Marines felt no respect from President Obama, maybe they felt contempt, those certainly are things that can be felt, by most, when they are encountered. Words offered up that come from the heart of the speaker are felt by the listener of those words in his own heart. But words coming from the mouth of a speaker that bypass the heart are not usually received in the heart of those listening. If I were to pass judgement on the comparisons, I'd say the Marines Enemy Identification was spot on!6shutr         

 

[John Schmidt]

Whew....unbelievable....what are they putting in that Kool Aid these days?

You should know young fella. Re. the video, here's some info on it you probably won't find interesting, but I'll post it anyway. Not everyone is a infatuated with little b.o.
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This video has received a lot of attention. As of right now, it is showing well over a half a million hits since it was posted on March 1. It is also controversial. Many Obama supporters have claimed to debunk the video by pointing out that the events were not comparable. They argue that the event in Anbar province that President Bush attended in September 2007 was informal. The Camp Lejune event that President Obama attended, on the other hand, was more formal. They point out that it is not fair to compare two events in which the Marines are subject to different rules of behavior.

In fairness, they are correct. The events were different in many ways and the Marines present were subject to different behavioral expectations. There is, however, more to this video than that. If the content of this video were that easily debunked it would not still be drawing tens of thousands of hits per day. The different degrees of formality aside, this video is quite revealing.

In the video, the Marines exhibit obvious love and respect for President Bush. His visit was not an event that followed closely on the heels of 9/11. This video was taken after the worst days of the war and after the surge created major progress in the region. The president is visiting the troops in Anbar Province, the home of the infamous Falluja and Ar Ramadi killing grounds. This visit took place after the province had been pacified. In other words, the Marines showed their love of Mr. Bush even after the darkest days of the war.

The Lejune video, on the other hand, shows Obama entering with all the pomp and circumstance of a royal visit to the peasants. Hail to the Chief plays in the background; something that President Bush didnt allow during his military visits. Obama knows that keeping the Marines locked at the position of attention means that no comparison can ever be made to the loving reception President Bush regularly received from the troops. Obama knows how the Marines feel and will always treat them exactly like the rabble he sees.

This is the real truth of the video and why it is so popular. It warms the heart of Bush supporters to see President Bush receive the love, gratitude and respect of these warriors. It angers Obama supporters because they also see the love President Bush receives and they know their man will never see anything similar from the troops. They know that these warriors loved the last president and will never give similar respect to this one.

A good YouTube video stirs the emotions and this one does that. It elicits different emotions in different people but the underlying truth that is the catalyst for the emotional response is the same for everyone. The Marines loved President Bush in a way they will never love President Obama

[Scanner]

lol..."young fella"...I wish

I shouldn't get into these things but it is mind-boggling to me how people can be so badly informed or just plain delusional.

I'm gonna try to stay outta out of these discussions from here on out because some people apparently live in an alternate universe.

I'll stay here in the Reality based one.

[PAVALKER]

lol..."young fella"...I wish

I shouldn't get into these things but it is mind-boggling to me how people can be so badly informed or just plain delusional.

I'm gonna try to stay outta out of these discussions from here on out because some people apparently live in an alternate universe.

I'll stay here in the Reality based one.

Perception is reality, and I believe your reality is just a perception.  I have been to Seattle/Tacoma area and can understand your delusional perception beings that you are so far away from reality.      While I may agree that Bush was not "perfect".... as we have never had a "perfect" President, some were just better than others, and much better than the one we have now.    And this is from a Veteran's perspective.  I also agree that there are different procedures and standards of protocol for informal and formal visits.... but I still think the Marines were right on target with this one. 

[Scanner]

lol...you post a pic of you with those two girls and call me "delusional"?  

And if Pittsburgh is reality I'm happy to be very very far from it.

[Rowdy]

Interesting 

[HotRod]

Incredible...you're kidding right?.... A good leader????????? LOL....Look where he led us!   Look at what he did to our country!

Whew....unbelievable....what are they putting in that Kool Aid these days?

Humble respect? wow

And this poor excuse for a president is doing so well, right?

[Scanner]

He's got a hell of a hole to dig us out of.

[HotRod]

lol..."young fella"...I wish

I shouldn't get into these things but it is mind-boggling to me how people can be so badly informed or just plain delusional.

I'm gonna try to stay outta out of these discussions from here on out because some people apparently live in an alternate universe.

I'll stay here in the Reality based one.

Easy way out,you lose!

[HotRod]

He's got a hell of a hole to dig us out of.

And he is digging it deeper and deeper,God help us!

[alph]

I think that everyone has to realize that before obama was throwing out trillions of dollars, george was doing the same thing for bankers.

I don’t like leaders that take care of their buddies before taking care of the American future.

[HotRod]

I think that everyone has to realize that before obama was throwing out trillions of dollars, george was doing the same thing for bankers.

I don’t like leaders that take care of their buddies before taking care of the American future.

Just remember the Dem's had control of the house and senate for the last 6 years, so Bush is to blame? I don't think so my friend.

[junior]

i can remember obama requesting that the bail out process before he took over office

[Scanner]

I think that everyone has to realize that before obama was throwing out trillions of dollars, george was doing the same thing for bankers.

I don’t like leaders that take care of their buddies before taking care of the American future.

Just remember the Dem's had control of the house and senate for the last 6 years, so Bush is to blame? I don't think so my friend.

Well, that proves my point about being badly informed, or can't count.

The Reps had control of congress from 1996 thru 2006 and they had complete control with Bush and the presidency also from 2000 thru 2006.  Of course, those are just facts so they don't matter to some.

[Scanner]

i can remember obama requesting that the bail out process before he took over office

Again, misinformed.

In fact, they did it in Sept before he even won the election. Guess they were just being nice and figured he might win.....


it's sad that some people can be so proud of being so wrong.

[6shutr]

Want Reality? Well, here it is from my perspective. We've elected a President who is a radical leftist to whom Hope and Change apparently means Statism. Destroy evil Capitalism, replace it with Big Government, eliminate individualism and entrepenurialism and replace it with Government controlling every aspect of our lives. Call it Socialism, Marxism, Statism, whatever, it all equals loss of our freedom, and I for one don't intend to sit quietly by waiting for a slick articulate politician to take away from me what so many have paid the ultimate price to protect and preseve, not only for the United States but for most of the rest of the Free World. I fully understand that there are some who are willing to sacrifice freedom for some utopian ideology, which doesn't exist and will never exist, and that is their perrogative. That certainly doesn't equate to  folks with that particular ideology having "the" answer, and the rest of us being kool aid drinkers, living in a parallel universe. I believe that American Individualism, entrepunurialism, and a capitlaist system are the greatest assets we have, and to give that away to Government would ultimately destroy us.   
   

[Scanner]

Ok. Name just three things Obama has done to back up what you say. Not what Rush or Glenn Beck say he has done or will do, but three actual things he's done....

[PAVALKER]

lol...you post a pic of you with those two girls and call me "delusional"?  

And if Pittsburgh is reality I'm happy to be very very far from it.

No delusions here... I knew what those gals were... Good Looking Models showing off their bod for attention.  I just had a photo op and will not attempt to justify them or their position.    You on the other hand appear to want to continue to justify your mistake and that is one of the issues with those that have done so, they can't face the reality and regardless of how bad things get or what he does.... they blindly support and justify him rather than admit their own mistake.  

Pittsburgh is closer to Washington DC and ....Tacoma Washington has nothing in common with Washington DC.  Steer clear of Mt Rainier... low oxygen levels are no good for you.  T

[Scanner]

uh, yeah, ok...

still waiting....just three things......"crickets"......

[Scanner]

.... crickets...........................crickets....................c'mon, you guys hate the President so much you consider him an enemy of your America, there must be at least three things he's actually done to make you feel that hatred.....???  Or are you just spouting the usual right wing talking points with no substance at all....?

[Scanner]

..............crickets..............................................................

[6shutr]

I harbor no hatred for anyone, including President Obama. I do however have disdain for Socialism, or Collectivism because it destroys individualism, erodes freedom and it doesn't work. I stand fervently against any escalation of socialism or socialist ideals in America. As President Obama attempts to take America down the path to Socialism, he will do so against the will of those of us like me who know that it will weaken and destroy our Freedom and our Great Nation.  

[Scanner]

6sshtr, "I'd say the Marines Enemy Identification was spot on!"  You say he is an enemy of America - Ok, name three things that he has actually done to back up any of your claims....just three.......this is getting pitiful, like watching dying Carp flop around on the beach.........

[Jeff K]

He's got a hell of a hole to dig us out of.

How do you dig your way of a hole?  

Please provide me three ways a person could dig their way out of a hole.

Delusions? 

[Scanner]

If you were buried alive under trillions of debt you might figure one out.

I'm waiting for your wisdom JeffK.....just Three things.....

....carp......crickets

[Jeff K]

If you were buried alive under trillions of debt you might figure one out.

I'm waiting for your wisdom JeffK.....just Three things.....

....carp......crickets

I was merely commenting on your lack of digging skills.
Nothing about carp, or crickets.

Half of the people in this county, or more, do not approve of your choice of leaders, or approve of the direction his band of thieves are taking our country. Get over it.
 

[Scanner]

lol....carp flops on beach gasping.....three things......cmon.....

By the way, he's President, Get over it.

[Sludge]

Before they realized their body armor was junk, Humvees were un-armored,

But,  "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

Yes the body armor was junk.  The Humvees were un armored (really, who didnt know this going in??)  All known problems even back when I was an active duty Marine in the late 80s early 90s.   However, it seems that military funding has always been opposed until ya need it.  We down size our forces... oops... until we need em.  I dont think I have to point out what side of the aisle most of that resistance comes from. 

Your last statement there is spot on.  WITH WHAT YA HAVE.  So stop griping about body armor and humvees etc and blaming them on Bush.  Im no cheer leader for him.  He did right and wrong as most presidents including Obama do.  Some more of one than the other. 

So far as the Marines response.  There are two things I would like to point out.  First off is I would like to give you a quote which I truely believe has some truth in it. 

"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.  Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army"

That said, and having earned the title of Marine, I think I understand the response.  Marines know when a leader loves them.  Its in how they relate to the Corps, how they speak to them.  Hollow words and gestures are easily seen.  We loved Reagan, because we knew he loved us.  It was a neutral feeling for Bush Sr.  A bad feeling during Clinton.  Bush comes in and though he was imperfect one thing shown through.  He loved his Marines, Soldiers, and Sailors.  With Obama.  Someone wrote him a speech... he had to make some face time with the Corps... All dog and pony.  No love exchanged.

Now secondly, and in all fairness, I would like to point out that those two occasions had a different formality to them.  Still, there is a cool feeling as Obama enters and exits that is palpable. 


Now, for 3 things that Obama has done that I really dislike...

1.  Moving the census inside the White House instead of leaving it with the Dept of Commerce.  This doesnt seem like much, but it is.  Taking it inside the White House took it out from under Congressional Oversite and how the census data is handled determines where federal money goes in many aspects.  It can be corrupted to pay off political allies or punish political enemies.  I dont want either side having it that way.

2.  The bail outs.  Didnt like em under Bush.  Dont like em now.  Seems like the money ACORN etc gets is simple political pay offs.   All a waste of taxpayer money.  IMHO

3.  The screening of all questions at press conferences etc.  How is the public to get informed news if the hard questions cant be ask?  Its all an image thing.  This doesnt seem like much, but its becoming more pageantry than substance.  Michelle Obama takes the kids out for a burger.  Great.  Have some fun, but when the Secret Service comes in and confiscates all cell phones that can take a picture.  Thats stepping over a line.  They are in a public place.  What right and reason did they have for violating these citizens rights by confiscating private property.  We know why.  It had nothing to do with security and everything to do with image.

4. Eric Holder drops charges against Black Panthers who were charged with voter intimidation at a polling place.  Seemed like an open and shut case to me.  All on video tape.  Why didnt Obama step in and say... "No, if the shoe were on the other foot and  if these were clansmen, it would be and outrage.  Same goes for the Panthers.  Pursue the charges."  Nope he remained silent.

5.  Health care...  Ramming something this big down our throats in such a short period of time.  Man, this thing needs to be really thought about for like his entire administration.  Debated and debated.  Stepping too quickly into it no matter what side you are on surely isnt a prudent step.  The consequences are too dire if we get this wrong.  Nothing wrong with debate.  Lets all argue until we are blue in the face and compromise when needed and do whats right for the citizens.  I dont care if it takes 20 years.  To use an old carpenters saying... "measure twice, cut once"  With the health care and the bail outs etc... it would be wise to follow this simple idea.

There, I gave you a couple other reasons I dont like the guy

[PAVALKER]

Three things.....    I apologize I was out this Labor Day at a picnic, and how ironic that this is Labor Day and our unemployment rate is at it's highest level in over 28 years.  Anyhow, ........

-  His "Apology Tour" in Europe and the Middle East where he bad mouthed his own country and "bowed" to leaders of other countries.

-  His "Spending Spree", where he is spending your and my money to bail out banks that used the money to pay executive bonuses and other corporate luxuries.  

-  His "Spending Spree" where he allocated your and my money to bail out GM and Chrysler, to "prevent them from going bankrupt"  and they went bankrupt anyhow (which means that was like a grant, free money, that they don't have to pay back).  

-  His Spending your and my money for the "Cash for Clunkers program".  As a matter of fact he spent more money in less than a year than ANY other president has spent (combined).  You can't spend your way into prosperity.... that would be "poverty".  Obama and his "trickle up poverty program".

-  His attempts to change our  current Healthcare system into a Socialized Healthcare System.  Granted, healthcare can use a boost but not a total revamp.

And that was just off the top of my head after spending the day at a picnic not even thinking about it all.  And I really don't want to spend much more time thinking about it either.... it really depresses me.


And we have folks like you that support and follow blindly thinking all will be great but can't see what is really happening.  It's like you said "By the way, he's President, Get over it". compares to my Grandson saying...  Nah Nah Nah Nah we won.    Yes he is President.... but we don't have to like it, like you didn't like it when the other party was in office, and that you still bad mouth and try to blame  the previous regime for "inheriting things"   Get over it yourself......  we will all be paying for it in the long run.  When will Obama and his supporters stand up and assume responsibility for what they are doing instead of blaming the previous regime???  It's his watch now......  assume some responsibility.

[Scanner]

Cool

First - "bowed to leaders of foriegn countries" : Traditional, unlike holding hands while strolling thru the gardens with Arab princes as Bush did.

Second - "Spending Spree", where he is spending your and my money to bail out banks".  Sorry that was your Bush who did that.

Third - "Spending Spree" where he allocated your and my money to bail out GM and Chrysler". Once again, sorry, but that was also Bush.

Fourth - "His Spending your and my money for the "Cash for Clunkers program".  Total cost: 3 Billion...That's what Bush spent every week in Iraq.   Obama is trying to save the auto industry...sorry you don't care about that but millions do. Does that make him an enemy of America?

Fifth - "His attempts to change our current Healthcare system into a Socialized Healthcare System."  Not something he has actually done, or even proposed. Just talk radio BS characterization.

Soooo....you're battin .000

But thanks for trying.

[PAVALKER]

Yep..... Blindly following and supporting.....  it happened on Obama's watch so therefore he is responsible.

[Scanner]

Yep..... Blindly following and supporting.....  it happened on Obama's watch so therefore he is responsible.

uh... the bailouts didn't happen on Obamas watch. What don't you understand about that?

[Scanner]

Sludge, good, thoughtful post.

The census is still under the dept of commerce - which is headed by the Republican that Obama nominated to run it.  They just added White House oversight to it.

The decennial Census is used to redraw district lines for elected seats in Congress and state legislatures, and is always a major issue for minority advocates.  Latinos were worried that a Republican was the Commerce chief so they added administration oversight in addition to congressional oversight.