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in something this weekend......I've got 200 rounds of .45 ammo to break in my new gun...looks like it's going to be a rainy weekend though....any of you boys close by want to help me break the new gun in??......I'll probably take my .44 Magnum....and the other pistols too....I guess the weather will dictate where I end up....  http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_cw.html |
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 05:37:31 PM » |
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Have you priced 45acp? ...bust a quick "cap" and run for the long gun! Shot placement! ! !...'Nuff said?
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 05:42:54 PM » |
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Have you priced 45acp? ...bust a quick "cap" and run for the long gun! Shot placement! ! !...'Nuff said?
all ammo is expensive now.....I have a basic Lee reloading kit that I have used to reload for my .44 and .45....I checked costs on powder at the gun show the other day....the Alliant 2400 that used to be $16.50lb is now $22...... I have a .22 revolver that's the baby brother of the .44magnum....I still have about 250 rounds of .22's left.... I'm glad I haven't bought the S&W 500 Magnum...might as well be loading the casings with gold dust!!.  |
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 08:22:04 AM » |
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At Midsouth shooters supply on the internet, they list Alliant 2400 for $16.97 for one pound. 4 lbs for $63.92 and 8 lbs for $120.82. At the 8lb price it gets ya down to $15/lb. Not too shabby. If you were to switch over to Hodgdon Titegroup powder it gets ya down to $15.03 for one pound, 8lbs for $106.87. At the 8lb price thats $13.36/lb! It takes less titegroup per shell too. I run this stuff in .45ACP, .40S&W and 9mm. 4.5 to 5gr will make for a nice .45ACP round. Now, that said, I havent ran this powder in a magnum cal like .44mag. However, for the autos, it runs great isnt overly dirty and is CHEAP  Hope that helps. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 08:29:52 AM » |
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At Midsouth shooters supply on the internet, they list Alliant 2400 for $16.97 for one pound. 4 lbs for $63.92 and 8 lbs for $120.82.
At the 8lb price it gets ya down to $15/lb. Not too shabby.
Hope that helps.
I still have some left....and I've "kept my powder dry".....but it doesn't take long to run through a lb when you're loading .44magnum "hot"!!..... I wonder what kind of shipping they charge since I'm sure they must classify gun powder as a hazardous substance?...... Oh, and I am still thinking about that "Ride to Shoot" thing.....We'll have to plan one and see who wants to come....... |
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 08:40:37 AM » |
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here is a quote from their web site concerning the haz mat shiz. "All orders containing gunpowder, primers, or percussion caps will charged a $22.50 hazardous materials charge per shipping box with these items. If shipped by air, then primers, percussion caps, and loaded ammunition will be charged $32.50 per box. Gunpowder cannot be shipped by air. Powder and primers can be packed together on ground shipments for one hazardous charge provided the total weight of the order (including packaging) remains below 70 lbs." I havent been buying lately since I have a bit over 100lbs of different powders squirreled away over the past few years. The last time I ordered it was for if I remember correctly, 4, 8lb kegs (that is one box thus the one $22.50 charge). I still came out much lower than local gun stores even with the charge. I haven't ordered primers through them though. I was already pretty stocked up on that stuff at the time. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 08:52:23 AM » |
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I'm gonna be out shooting this weekend also. Need to do a little warm up on Sat. for a Turkey shoot Sunday.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 06:43:25 PM » |
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to the gun range with me.....my friend Arona hasn't ever shot a handgun before, but wants to learn how....I guess I'll have all of my handguns with me....and the .22 revolver in case she doesn't like the .45's or .44magnum....I don't have any .44's loaded, so that's going to cost me some $$...oh well, you can't take it with you..... |
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2009, 09:31:27 AM » |
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Do yourself and your friend a favor:
Keep her away from anything besides 22LR and possibly 38SPL for the first year or so.
You do not want her to
A) Develop a flinch as a result of becoming afraid of large-caliber muzzle blast;
B) Not learn proper shot-to-shot follow-through due to fighting the effects of heavy recoil
Learn one "dimension" of shooting at a time. First and foremost should be weapon safety and proper handling procedures. After that comes smoooooth trigger control and followup.
When she can demonstrate proficiency with a rimfire pistol, move her up into something a bit more energetic.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2009, 09:34:35 AM » |
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If you were to switch over to Hodgdon Titegroup powder it gets ya down to $15.03 for one pound, 8lbs for $106.87. At the 8lb price thats $13.36/lb! It takes less titegroup per shell too. I run this stuff in .45ACP, .40S&W and 9mm. 4.5 to 5gr will make for a nice .45ACP round. Now, that said, I havent ran this powder in a magnum cal like .44mag. However, for the autos, it runs great isnt overly dirty and is CHEAP Check the burn rate before you do this. IIRC, it's too "fast" of a powder for use in a 44Mag or similar pistol cartridge. Pet 45ACP "range" load: 5.1-5.3gr Win231 under a Hornady 230gr FMJ roundnose; CCI Large Pistol primer. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2009, 03:42:21 AM » |
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in something this weekend......I've got 200 rounds of .45 ammo to break in my new gun...looks like it's going to be a rainy weekend though....any of you boys close by want to help me break the new gun in??......I'll probably take my .44 Magnum....and the other pistols too....I guess the weather will dictate where I end up.... http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_cw.htmlGood job. As you know, Kahr says all their autos require 200 rounds be fired before the pistola is considered reliable. No limp wristing. Let us know if you get any failures or other problems. Remember also that it is near impossible to drop the slide with release lever if the mag is out (empty or full). |
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2009, 04:47:09 AM » |
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If you were to switch over to Hodgdon Titegroup powder it gets ya down to $15.03 for one pound, 8lbs for $106.87. At the 8lb price thats $13.36/lb! It takes less titegroup per shell too. I run this stuff in .45ACP, .40S&W and 9mm. 4.5 to 5gr will make for a nice .45ACP round. Now, that said, I havent ran this powder in a magnum cal like .44mag. However, for the autos, it runs great isnt overly dirty and is CHEAP Check the burn rate before you do this. IIRC, it's too "fast" of a powder for use in a 44Mag or similar pistol cartridge. Pet 45ACP "range" load: 5.1-5.3gr Win231 under a Hornady 230gr FMJ roundnose; CCI Large Pistol primer. Thats why I said i hadn't ran this powder in a magnum. I haven't even looked into it. However, I just took time to look it up on Hodgdon's reloading data at their web site. Yes, Titegroup is a fast powder, but they have several loads for it on the site. You just use less of it. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2009, 05:11:45 AM » |
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in something this weekend......I've got 200 rounds of .45 ammo to break in my new gun...looks like it's going to be a rainy weekend though....any of you boys close by want to help me break the new gun in??......I'll probably take my .44 Magnum....and the other pistols too....I guess the weather will dictate where I end up.... http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_cw.htmlGood job. As you know, Kahr says all their autos require 200 rounds be fired before the pistola is considered reliable. No limp wristing. Let us know if you get any failures or other problems. Remember also that it is near impossible to drop the slide with release lever if the mag is out (empty or full). through the new Kahr .45.....and reloads at that with not a single jam or misfire...and the magazine didn't "fall" out on it's own(which I read about online AFTER I bought the .45)...I noticed that my shots with the Kahr were about 2-3" lower than my aim point..when I aimed that much higher, it brought me up to where I wanted the rounds to hit.....it does kick just a little harder than the full sized 1911 Llama .45 I have, but it didn't matter to me as much as it did to my friend Arona.....she preferred tha Llama over the Kahr...and even over the .22 revolver.....She kept her shots within 6" of each other and on the man-sized targets in the chest region and etc.....this was her FIRST time ever shooting a gun of any kind and I KNOW as John mentioned below that it is NOT .....NOT the proper caliber to start a new shooter out with, especially a small handed female.... I had told her she might consider renting one of the .38 revolvers or maybe even a .380/9mm instead for her first outing, but she wanted to shoot what I had....I placed the target for her at about 5 yrds and we all should realize that in a defensive shooting, I think a potential perp would be MUCH closer than that.....I've read most defensive shootings happen at 7 FEET or less....although in a case like that, the adrenaline would be in overdrive I'm sure..... At least I was able to teach her some basic safe shooting habits, proper holds and etc and she seemed to enjoy herself....most Ladies would not have shot a .45auto to begin with.... I haven't been to the range in about 2-3 yrs(pitiful).....I only managed to get my groupings within 2-3"...sometimes 4" at 7yds....one of my problems is that I need glasses for long distance vision and I don't have anything but the yellow shooters glasses to wear right now...I need to buy something that will fit OVER my regular glasses so that the targets aren't fuzzy....I'm sure that would help me immensly.....I'm not blind without the glasses by any means, but it sure would be nice to have a clear look at the targets..... One of my favorite things to do with the man-sized target is to have the "open casket"...versus "closed casket" placings....you guys know what I mean??.....  .....all in all, we had a good time and she only put maybe two rounds just off the edge of the targets....and we didn't shoot our toes off, shoot anyone else, or shoot the target holder(it looked like swiss cheese from previous shooters).....She even paid for the range time and the box of .44Mag ammo since I had provided the guns and .45 ammo..... |
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2009, 07:43:45 AM » |
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in something this weekend......I've got 200 rounds of .45 ammo to break in my new gun...looks like it's going to be a rainy weekend though....any of you boys close by want to help me break the new gun in??......I'll probably take my .44 Magnum....and the other pistols too....I guess the weather will dictate where I end up.... http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_45acp_cw.htmlGood job. As you know, Kahr says all their autos require 200 rounds be fired before the pistola is considered reliable. No limp wristing. Let us know if you get any failures or other problems. Remember also that it is near impossible to drop the slide with release lever if the mag is out (empty or full). through the new Kahr .45.....and reloads at that with not a single jam or misfire...and the magazine didn't "fall" out on it's own(which I read about online AFTER I bought the .45)...I noticed that my shots with the Kahr were about 2-3" lower than my aim point..when I aimed that much higher, it brought me up to where I wanted the rounds to hit.....it does kick just a little harder than the full sized 1911 Llama .45 I have, but it didn't matter to me as much as it did to my friend Arona.....she preferred tha Llama over the Kahr...and even over the .22 revolver.....She kept her shots within 6" of each other and on the man-sized targets in the chest region and etc.....this was her FIRST time ever shooting a gun of any kind and I KNOW as John mentioned below that it is NOT .....NOT the proper caliber to start a new shooter out with, especially a small handed female.... I had told her she might consider renting one of the .38 revolvers or maybe even a .380/9mm instead for her first outing, but she wanted to shoot what I had....I placed the target for her at about 5 yrds and we all should realize that in a defensive shooting, I think a potential perp would be MUCH closer than that.....I've read most defensive shootings happen at 7 FEET or less....although in a case like that, the adrenaline would be in overdrive I'm sure..... At least I was able to teach her some basic safe shooting habits, proper holds and etc and she seemed to enjoy herself....most Ladies would not have shot a .45auto to begin with.... I haven't been to the range in about 2-3 yrs(pitiful).....I only managed to get my groupings within 2-3"...sometimes 4" at 7yds....one of my problems is that I need glasses for long distance vision and I don't have anything but the yellow shooters glasses to wear right now...I need to buy something that will fit OVER my regular glasses so that the targets aren't fuzzy....I'm sure that would help me immensly.....I'm not blind without the glasses by any means, but it sure would be nice to have a clear look at the targets..... One of my favorite things to do with the man-sized target is to have the "open casket"...versus "closed casket" placings....you guys know what I mean??..... .....all in all, we had a good time and she only put maybe two rounds just off the edge of the targets....and we didn't shoot our toes off, shoot anyone else, or shoot the target holder(it looked like swiss cheese from previous shooters).....She even paid for the range time and the box of .44Mag ammo since I had provided the guns and .45 ammo..... I wouldn't worry about the Mag falling out....What you didn't read was that it is caused by poor grip and people thumbing the mag release button. Another thing to keep in mind is these CW kahrs are self defense weapons and not target/competition pistols....They are deadly accurate at self defense ranges. Also keep in mind that a grouping of anything around 4 to 5 inches would be a head shot...specially for some of the big heads out there these days.  You'll also notice that the more rounds you put through it the easier the slide works...Damn stiff springs out of the box. Excellent choice of weapon. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2009, 08:25:51 AM » |
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"I wouldn't worry about the Mag falling out....What you didn't read was that it is caused by poor grip and people thumbing the mag release button. Another thing to keep in mind is these CW kahrs are self defense weapons and not target/competition pistols....They are deadly accurate at self defense ranges. Also keep in mind that a grouping of anything around 4 to 5 inches would be a head shot...specially for some of the big heads out there these days. You'll also notice that the more rounds you put through it the easier the slide works...Damn stiff springs out of the box. Excellent choice of weapon."Yeah, the targets are a lot slimmer than most folks in real life....those head shots with a .45 Auto are definately a "closed casket" affair!!....I did notice that the slide springs are mighty stiff, but I'm planning on running more ammo through it soon....it might put me even further in the poor house!!.... I enjoy shooting the large caliber pistols....not much chance of them bouncing off windshields and such!!.....
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2009, 09:34:22 AM » |
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I went to a gun range yesterday to shoot my new Bersa .380 CCW.
Nice. At personal defense distance it's pretty darn accurate. Not as accurate as my Ruger target pistol. Fitted my XXXL mitt pretty well.
Only criticism about the Bersa is the 3 white sight dots. I do prefer orange so will have to change that.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2009, 09:55:40 AM » |
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one of my problems is that I need glasses for long distance vision and I don't have anything but the yellow shooters glasses to wear right now...I need to buy something that will fit OVER my regular glasses so that the targets aren't fuzzy
Stan, your distance only glasses (not bifocal/trifocal) should let you see the target clearly.....normally the problem is seeing your sights up close. Us aging peoples have a harder time focusing back and forth from rear sight, front sight & target. Remember once you are all lined up on target and squeezing the trigger, you are supposed to be focusing on the front sight at discharge, not the target.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2009, 03:27:11 PM » |
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one of my problems is that I need glasses for long distance vision and I don't have anything but the yellow shooters glasses to wear right now...I need to buy something that will fit OVER my regular glasses so that the targets aren't fuzzy
Stan, your distance only glasses (not bifocal/trifocal) should let you see the target clearly.....normally the problem is seeing your sights up close. Us aging peoples have a harder time focusing back and forth from rear sight, front sight & target. Remember once you are all lined up on target and squeezing the trigger, you are supposed to be focusing on the front sight at discharge, not the target.
Since I can see up close just fine, but need glasses for long distance vision, really what I need is some prescription safety glasses with the sides on them or wrap-arounds...glasses/goggles that would fit OVER my regular glasses would be bulky I'm sure...I was just shooting last weekend wearing only the yellow wrap-around shooters glasses....I could see the front and rear sight very well....but the targets were darned fuzzy!!....  |
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2009, 04:00:29 PM » |
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Well shoot (pun intended), if I didn't take my glasses to the range, people would be running (and shooting back). Actually, I'm not that blind, but close definition at distance only happens with my corrective lenses in place. I could shoot at combat targets (maybe the guy's next to me), but not 10 rings. There are some pretty cheap 'Fitovers' that would work, if you don't think your reg glasses are safe enough. (clear or pale yellow) http://sunglasshaven.com/fitovers.aspxhttp://www.framesdirect.com/framesfp/Fitover-tcoalb/lb.html |
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2009, 04:06:58 PM » |
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Well shoot (pun intended), if I didn't take my glasses to the range, people would be running (and shooting back). Actually, I'm not that blind, but close definition at distance only happens with my corrective lenses in place. I could shoot at combat targets (maybe the guy's next to me), but not 10 rings. There are some pretty cheap 'Fitovers' that would work, if you don't think your reg glasses are safe enough. (clear or pale yellow) http://sunglasshaven.com/fitovers.aspxhttp://www.framesdirect.com/framesfp/Fitover-tcoalb/lb.htmlI'm going to check them out.....No, my regular glasses are not suited for shooting duty...I've had spent casings bounce off the sidewalls and hit me in the temple area....and to protect my almost BALD head, I wear a ball cap..... .....  |
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2009, 06:23:28 AM » |
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It's also better to wear tshirts (tight necked crews).....nothing finer than hot smokin brass going down your shirt collar.
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