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Planning to start using Distilled Water + WaterWetter in my radiator. If any of ya'll are using the same combo what ratio of water to waterwetter are you using?
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2016, 07:53:39 PM » |
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WW is not a replacement for antifreeze. It's an additive to improve cooling. I recall I put 4 oz of WW in my radiator. Honda recommends a minimum of 40% antifreeze.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2016, 08:10:29 PM » |
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I've had nothing but WW and distilled water in my system for at least the last 6-7 years. Change it about once a year, don't recall the ratio but I generally go with the recommended amounts. In winter the bike is parked in a warm garage and I don't ride in freezing weather anyway. In summer it runs cooler, never had a boil over or even close.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 02:54:53 AM » |
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the combo works. I think all WW is silicate free now. water still corrodes/dissolves things, its what it does. I prefer www.evanscooling.com. been using it since '01, no problems, never have had to change/add, etc. so cost effective. they say its a lifetime item. |
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Houdini
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 06:49:16 AM » |
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I tried WW, I have a temp gauge on my bike, 205° without WW, 205° with WW, it it made no difference on the temp so I never used it again. Apparently my water is wet enough....
YMMV.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2016, 07:08:21 AM » |
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No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2016, 08:22:56 AM » |
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No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
Exactly my point, put in the proper amount of water and coolant and skip the money sucking gimmicks that have no real payoff. |
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2016, 11:50:18 AM » |
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No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
Exactly my point, put in the proper amount of water and coolant and skip the money sucking gimmicks that have no real payoff. suggest u both read up on Nucleate boiling that goes on inside the cylinder head. the additives and evans cooling reduce greatly and/or eliminate it. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2016, 02:09:10 PM » |
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I tried WW, I have a temp gauge on my bike, 205° without WW, 205° with WW, it it made no difference on the temp so I never used it again. Apparently my water is wet enough....
YMMV.
No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
Exactly my point, put in the proper amount of water and coolant and skip the money sucking gimmicks that have no real payoff. I'll call it over-wrenching, like over tightening will eventually break something or cause something to break. Fix something on a piece of rotating equipment that is engineered to last for 400K miles or more with little maintenance requirements? Why would you want it to run cooler than manufacturer specs, so it will last longer? |
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 03:02:05 PM » |
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I tried WW, I have a temp gauge on my bike, 205° without WW, 205° with WW, it it made no difference on the temp so I never used it again. Apparently my water is wet enough....
YMMV.
No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
Exactly my point, put in the proper amount of water and coolant and skip the money sucking gimmicks that have no real payoff. I'll call it over-wrenching, like over tightening will eventually break something or cause something to break. Fix something on a piece of rotating equipment that is engineered to last for 400K miles or more with little maintenance requirements? Why would you want it to run cooler than manufacturer specs, so it will last longer? Eli, all that stuff does is suck $11 out of your wallet. I fell for the hype when riding my IS through Dallas traffic in the heat of summer, I assumed if the stuff worked it might make my sitting idling more comfortable. My temp gauge didn't budge one ° and it didn't make the idling in traffic any more comfortable. So I have one less theoretical bubble next to my bikes head, so what if it doesn't change the bike or my temp. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2016, 03:39:17 PM » |
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That was a cheap lesson Chuck, others have spent a lot more and still spending. I learned mine for cheap as an industrial mechanic at a major chemical plant. We did what is commonly called "preventive maintenance", usually followed up by a break down of the same equipment caused by dirt grit or some other contaminant entering a bearing. Lesson: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2016, 09:13:05 AM » |
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No matter what you put in the cooling system, the thermostat will still open at the same temperature, so the coolant temp in the motor will be the same. Running without "anti freeze", may also means running without the common benefits, corrosion prohibitors, etc.
Exactly my point, put in the proper amount of water and coolant and skip the money sucking gimmicks that have no real payoff. suggest u both read up on Nucleate boiling that goes on inside the cylinder head. the additives and evans cooling reduce greatly and/or eliminate it. I got you CA,, I understand that there is a better heat transfer from the metal to the coolant at a micro scale, I'll just not convinced that in our motors, at their efficiency, that it means anything. BPP,, the only downside I can see with this product, as is does provide corrosion protection, it that there is no freeze protection. I understand in San Antone, it is a rare event, but I remember a winter in the late eighties where there was about a foot of snow on the ground, I was about twenty miles south of town, just wire fences to mark the roads, and with drifting, you didn't want to drive for awhile. Of course it was all dissappeared in two days... still http://www.redlineoil.com/content/files/tech/WaterWetter%20Tech%20Info.pdf |
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2016, 09:39:55 AM » |
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I appreciate everybody's input on this topic. After some additional research, I've decided to go with a 50/50 mix + water wetter. I'll try this out in stop'n'go traffic in the next few days and see how it works out.
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