Darksiders - Yokohama Avid Envigor

[Wayn-O]

Hey guys. This is my first time going darkside. I put on a Yokohama avid envigor 205-60-16 V rated. It certainly behaves differently than the m/c tire. I was expecting that but still surprised me nonetheless.  I don't feel as confident in the corners anymore. Is it just all in my head, psyching myself out that I'm gonna be riding the sidewall if I corner too hard?
What tire pressure are you guys running in this tire? I'm currently running 35 simply because it seemed like a good starting point.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You won't be on the sidewall. Is it the slow speed handling that's bothering you or is it while you are at speed also ? Getting the pressure at the optimum level is important. With that tire I ran it at 36 so I would say you are right there. Try going down 2 and going up 2 and see how it feels.

[Earl43P]

I have it in a 195/55-16 on my IS, considerably shorter.
It takes some adjustment and is nowhere near how the ATT on my 93 Wing handles, but I like this tire.

I regularly scrape pegs on offramps and such and keep mine at 35 psi also. I had it at 40 for a bit but it was too harsh and bouncy. You could try lower, say 32 psi and see if that helps.

The only time I really feel its a tad squirrely is at low speeds over road imperfections. At speed, it's just a stable tire. I don't even think about it in curves but it does take a heavier pressure than MC tire or ATT.

I have a high rise steel grate bridge I travel daily and it wanders far less than the skinnier ATT. Both of mine have the Michelin Pilot Activ (rear) on the front. Perfect combination, IMO.

I'm seriously considering this tire for the 93 since the ATT has 32000 miles on it and is hitting the middle tread wear bars.

Put some miles on it, you'll come around and get it out of your head.
I'd practice some panic stops somewhere safe too. You'll like the added rear stable traction when braking hard.

[DarkSideR]

Here is my story from a previous post about how I became 100% confident D/S'ing.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,48559.msg463292.html#msg463292

DarkSider

[Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008]

I've ran that tire on my bike a couple of times never really had a problem running it. I run 36-38 psi in the rear and always had good luck with the tires. 

[Avanti]

I have been running the Yokohama Avid Envigor V-Speed Rated… 205/60R16 for almost 10,000 miles on my 1999 Interstate. I like to keep it at 37-38 lbs.  Great tire dry or wet.

[Wayn-O]

 The slow speed handling doesn't really bother me; I can still  corner pretty tight at slow speeds just have to "make" it turn. My concerns are more like taking a corner at high speed.  Normally you can really lean into them but I have this fear of the tire slipping out from under me since it will be riding only on the shoulder of the tire. Another thing that unsettles me is a lot of the freeways here (how do I describe this) have pavement that's been like brushed or combed so it has these lines/grooves running parallel with your tires and that tends to make the rear end squirrelly. Normal roadways are fine.
Maybe it's just my mind F-ing with itself but my reduced confidence is real.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The slow speed handling doesn't really bother me; I can still  corner pretty tight at slow speeds just have to "make" it turn. My concerns are more like taking a corner at high speed.  Normally you can really lean into them but I have this fear of the tire slipping out from under me since it will be riding only on the shoulder of the tire. Another thing that unsettles me is a lot of the freeways here (how do I describe this) have pavement that's been like brushed or combed so it has these lines/grooves running parallel with your tires and that tends to make the rear end squirrelly. Normal roadways are fine.
Maybe it's just my mind F-ing with itself but my reduced confidence is real.

I think you are going to find you have twice the traction as with a motorcycle tire. The tires sidewall flexes so as to keep the tread on the ground. There are some videos around where one of the guys put a camera pointing at the tire as he road. Hopefully someone will post up a link.

[Pappy!]

We put one on Lesa's Valkyrie. She felt the difference in the handling, adjusted, and scraped more off her pegs in Carolina than I did for sure.
I also run DS but still trying to wear out a different tires.

[Hook#3287]

They offer it in a "run flat".

http://www.townfairtire.com/brand/tires/yokohama/avid-envigor-zero-pressure-system/195~55r16v/32194/

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVID+ENVigor+ZPS&partnum=955VR6ENVZPS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

What does that mean to us D/S's, any difference?

[The emperor has no clothes]

They offer it in a "run flat".

http://www.townfairtire.com/brand/tires/yokohama/avid-envigor-zero-pressure-system/195~55r16v/32194/

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVID+ENVigor+ZPS&partnum=955VR6ENVZPS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

What does that mean to us D/S's, any difference?

I'm not sure Bill. I've never had a run flat . I've thought the sidewall needs to flex to work properly on a bike and they have stiffer side walls I assume. So I figured they would require more effort. But I have seen quite a few on here use them.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The slow speed handling doesn't really bother me; I can still  corner pretty tight at slow speeds just have to "make" it turn. My concerns are more like taking a corner at high speed.  Normally you can really lean into them but I have this fear of the tire slipping out from under me since it will be riding only on the shoulder of the tire. Another thing that unsettles me is a lot of the freeways here (how do I describe this) have pavement that's been like brushed or combed so it has these lines/grooves running parallel with your tires and that tends to make the rear end squirrelly. Normal roadways are fine.
Maybe it's just my mind F-ing with itself but my reduced confidence is real.

I think you are going to find you have twice the traction as with a motorcycle tire. The tires sidewall flexes so as to keep the tread on the ground. There are some videos around where one of the guys put a camera pointing at the tire as he road. Hopefully someone will post up a link.

Wayn-O, here is one of the videos I was referring to. As you can see there is always a good contact patch with the road.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwSSXHanpv0

[Hook#3287]

They offer it in a "run flat".

http://www.townfairtire.com/brand/tires/yokohama/avid-envigor-zero-pressure-system/195~55r16v/32194/

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVID+ENVigor+ZPS&partnum=955VR6ENVZPS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

What does that mean to us D/S's, any difference?

I'm not sure Bill. I've never had a run flat . I've thought the sidewall needs to flex to work properly on a bike and they have stiffer side walls I assume. So I figured they would require more effort. But I have seen quite a few on here use them.

After I asked, I read the other current D/S post with comments on "run flat".  Bons stated they are difficult to mount, as well as other disadvantages.  Seeing I mount my own, that could be the deal breaker.

I can see how side wall flex would be important.  With a sidewall the can support half a ton, probably not going to be much.

[The emperor has no clothes]

They offer it in a "run flat".

http://www.townfairtire.com/brand/tires/yokohama/avid-envigor-zero-pressure-system/195~55r16v/32194/

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVID+ENVigor+ZPS&partnum=955VR6ENVZPS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

What does that mean to us D/S's, any difference?

I'm not sure Bill. I've never had a run flat . I've thought the sidewall needs to flex to work properly on a bike and they have stiffer side walls I assume. So I figured they would require more effort. But I have seen quite a few on here use them.

After I asked, I read the other current D/S post with comments on "run flat".  Bons stated they are difficult to mount, as well as other disadvantages.  Seeing I mount my own, that could be the deal breaker.

I can see how side wall flex would be important.  With a sidewall the can support half a ton, probably not going to be much.

I didn't see that. But I listen to any opinions and ideas from BonS  There are some others with a lot of "Valk cred" that like them . I think I'm sticking with my Avid Ascend 195/60 and my Michelin Pilot Activ rear up front. I feel more comfortable and confident as with any other setup.

[Hook#3287]

I didn't see that. But I listen to any opinions and ideas from BonS  cooldude There are some others with a lot of "Valk cred" that like them . I think I'm sticking with my Avid Ascend 195/60 and my Michelin Pilot Activ rear up front. I feel more comfortable and confident as with any other setup.

I'm in the market for 2 tires for the standard I just picked up.  Thinking I'm going dark side , maybe dbl dark side.  I've done the D404 reverse once and am on my second.  Is that Michelin your first dbl Dark side?

[The emperor has no clothes]

I didn't see that. But I listen to any opinions and ideas from BonS  cooldude There are some others with a lot of "Valk cred" that like them . I think I'm sticking with my Avid Ascend 195/60 and my Michelin Pilot Activ rear up front. I feel more comfortable and confident as with any other setup.

I'm in the market for 2 tires for the standard I just picked up.  Thinking I'm going dark side , maybe dbl dark side.  I've done the D404 reverse once and am on my second.  Is that Michelin your first dbl Dark side?

Its the only one I've used. Just put my second one on. The rest of my fronts have all been traditional fronts. Dunlops, Bridgestones, Metzlers, even a Shinko thrown in there.