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The tab on my side cover was broken and missing when I purchased the bike. the side covers had been screwed into the center cover and chrome caps over the screw heads. That's one way to skin a cat. I thought I'd try another since it was a bit inconvenient to remove screws when I wanted to remove side covers. it really is an easy fix that takes about 10 minutes total. just take a heavy duty paperclip and slightly bend to fit, lightly scuff the surface and hot glue it to the cover and you're done. paper clip  scuffed surface (you can see where it had been previously screwed together)  test fit  hot glue   strength test with 40 oz hammer   Hot glue is an underestimated underused adhesive. I have found it more convenient to use and has a stronger bond than most 2 part epoxies. however in this situation with the engine heat and it being mid august we will see how it holds up. update to come |
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2016, 01:10:55 PM » |
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Cool fix. You must be some kind of genius!
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2016, 01:42:06 PM » |
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Great idea! I'll, too, be interested to hear how the hot melt holds up in the summer engine heat.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2016, 02:04:42 PM » |
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Cool fix. You must be some kind of genius!
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2016, 03:59:06 PM » |
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Nice, I like the heavy metal from the paper clip. If you don't like the hot glue, try pouring over some ABS glue instead. Mine is dried out (forgot to close the lid), would most likely be good to use for this fix.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2016, 08:42:06 PM » |
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That's a pretty good idea to fix it, though I am somewhat leery of using only epoxy (without some sort of threaded fastener as well). My bike had the same issue when I bought it, so I just fabricated a little aluminum replacement tab and fastened it with a button head stainless screw (from the outside) and then painted the head of the screw to match the side cover. The whole fix took about 15-20 minutes and it's stronger than the original.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2016, 09:27:51 PM » |
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this is how it was originaly held on. there is a screw through the side cover into the center cover with a plastic button. chrome cap snaps over screw head onto button  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2016, 10:37:13 PM » |
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Just did a bit of research on this glue. Application temp is 250-375F softening point is 176F. it will probably get soft but not remelt. if I have any issues I will clean out this glue and use ???? whatever I find in my basement I think might work. A big glob of rtv will withstand the temp. I've repaired side covers on other bikes with legos and a soldering iron. duct tape will match the chrome close enough   |
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2016, 07:28:11 AM » |
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Mark--JB Weld if your hot glue does not hold. That stuff will fix an engine block.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2016, 08:39:21 AM » |
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Black A B S hardening. It's sandable and paintable-but in this application NOT an issue. Repaired a cracked-multiple cracks-saddle bag with this stuff. Mine has screws BUT the wind will NOT take them off!  Used the Velcro repair the first time-but didn't like it. RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2016, 12:31:32 PM » |
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His side cover is chrome, not ABS.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2016, 12:34:36 PM » |
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Nope still ABS.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2016, 01:56:46 PM » |
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His side cover is chrome, not ABS.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2016, 04:58:15 PM » |
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You are a genius.  ill have to remember this one. U coming to the Dragon Round up next month? |
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2016, 08:57:07 PM » |
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You are a genius. ill have to remember this one. U coming to the Dragon Round up next month? Goong to try to scrape together some money to make it |
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2016, 06:51:18 AM » |
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Chrome over ABS??? Well OK, I stand corrected. I just sold an 89 Shadow that had real chrome side covers.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2016, 07:27:36 AM » |
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Chrome over ABS??? Well OK, I stand corrected. I just sold an 89 Shadow that had real chrome side covers.
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2016, 07:42:38 AM » |
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Chrome over ABS??? Well OK, I stand corrected. I just sold an 89 Shadow that had real chrome side covers.
lol, real chrome...as opposed to fake chrome......or maybe just chrome on metal instead of chrome on ABS?  |
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2016, 01:04:58 PM » |
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Chrome over ABS??? Well OK, I stand corrected. I just sold an 89 Shadow that had real chrome side covers.
You are correct the older shadows had real metal chromed side covers my 96 had em too but the valk's are ABS. Also if they were metal not likely to have broken. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2016, 08:37:43 PM » |
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J B weld will stick for a while. ABS and only black ABS will hold. I have repaired many bags and parts.
Some will say I am wrong , but I have a lot of experience with covers and bags.
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2016, 09:34:56 PM » |
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The chrome "plating" is on the inside too. Dont know that the abs glue will be of any use inless i remove the chrome to get to the plastic. I've put a few hundred miles on it in the heat and no issues with the hot glue yet. Ive seen hotter days though and that has me a bit skeptical of the longevity of my repair
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2018, 04:43:15 PM » |
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The tab on my side cover was broken and missing when I purchased the bike. the side covers had been screwed into the center cover and chrome caps over the screw heads. That's one way to skin a cat. I thought I'd try another since it was a bit inconvenient to remove screws when I wanted to remove side covers. it really is an easy fix that takes about 10 minutes total. just take a heavy duty paperclip and slightly bend to fit, lightly scuff the surface and hot glue it to the cover and you're done. paper clip scuffed surface (you can see where it had been previously screwed together) test fit hot glue strength test with 40 oz hammer Hot glue is an underestimated underused adhesive. I have found it more convenient to use and has a stronger bond than most 2 part epoxies. however in this situation with the engine heat and it being mid august we will see how it holds up. update to come Hey Mark, What is the distance from the clip outside to the edge of the cover? Is the clip bent? I have the same parts to do the fix you did. Does it fit tight? Thanks, Bob |
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2018, 03:13:34 AM » |
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Cool fix Hot glue is excellent for adhesion. I use it to help anchor crown molding over cabinets. My only concern would be the different rates of contraction and expansion between the cover plastic and the glue. Everything contracts or expands due to temperature changes and if the glue is more or less stable than the cover, it will eventually release. But, it could hold excellent for years, maybe decades. Seems a periodic inspection of the glues "holdness" would be a good thing. I used the velcro fix over 15 years ago and it's still working. |
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2018, 03:41:58 AM » |
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Bob, if your other cover is good, use it to get a feel for the distance the clip needs to be from the cover . |
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2018, 03:45:27 AM » |
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Thanks!
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2018, 04:39:40 AM » |
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I have not had good luck here in Florida with hot glue. I’ve used for a temporary hold, but over longer periods it will slowly release.
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2018, 09:32:04 PM » |
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Just for information only...did you know that if you put baking soda over wet super glue, it hardens instantly and bonds stronger...it can be filed down but takes a lot of filing...use a dremel tool...try it on something else so you can see how it reacts and you can judge on much glue / baking soda you might need...just thought I would put my 2c in...!!!
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2018, 02:46:23 PM » |
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J B weld will stick for a while. ABS and only black ABS will hold. I have repaired many bags and parts.
Some will say I am wrong , but I have a lot of experience with covers and bags.
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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2018, 10:01:30 AM » |
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Nice hack!
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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2018, 05:37:03 PM » |
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Got the other cover home to compare the tab opening. Did a little clip bending , sanding and got it welded on with the Oatey's ABS (4 coats).
Sorry, I'm still pic-illiterate ???
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2018, 05:50:24 AM » |
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I use the oateys abs glue. D O not try to use the multi purpose glue. It will not work. I have also filled the seams on bags and crack repair. I also re glued the joints on the inside of the bags. This was just done as a just in case. JB weld and bondo will not stay as a repair on ABS plastic. I also buy it in the small cans as it tends to dry out with contact to air. One of my next purchases is a plastic welder. Yes , I know a soldering iron can be used. I do use one. A good plastic welder has a preheater.
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2018, 05:48:37 PM » |
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Mark81, thanks for sharing that fix! I just did it with my '99 Interstate. I dry fit it with duct tape to get the bend just right. When i was confident it would work out, I used crazy glue and baking soda, and a little prayer! Works perfectly!! You just saved me and countless others around $300 for a part that is on a national back order, and probably no longer available
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2018, 12:05:09 PM » |
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Hey Mark, What is the distance from the clip outside to the edge of the cover? Is the clip bent? I have the same parts to do the fix you did. Does it fit tight? Thanks, Bob [/quote] Not sure of the distance i guessed put a dab of glue test fit and repeat if necessary yes the clip is bent to follow the contour of the cover. Fits tight. Been almost 2 years and 20k miles had the cover off and on a few times since then. no issues with the repair whatsoever even in the summer heat after riding 800 miles in a day still held strong. Mark81, thanks for sharing that fix! I just did it with my '99 Interstate. I dry fit it with duct tape to get the bend just right. When i was confident it would work out, I used crazy glue and baking soda, and a little prayer! Works perfectly!! You just saved me and countless others around $300 for a part that is on a national back order, and probably no longer available
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2018, 02:09:13 PM » |
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I just had the other side of the tab break off on mine. The cover right where the key is. I haven't had time to fix it yet, but maybe I can do something like this too. Thanks for the ideas.
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I'm very satisfied with the results I got. Just like the pics above but I used ABS "Black" cement.   |
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Got pics finally.
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