Turn signal relay

[hungryeye]

I found that there are 2 turn signal relays, both appear to be same size, don't know if plug is same, the non canceling is $51, the auto canceling is $151. I'm wondering if that is all we need to convert to auto canceling? Kinda need an ABS bike and a standard to compare. Maybe turn signal switch is different also.

[sleepngbear]

I think Honda's self-cancelling turn signals work off the ABS sensors, using wheel rotation speeds to determine when to cancel. So even if you could just plug in the module, I don't think it would work.

[Dragunslayer]

I think Honda's self-cancelling turn signals work off the ABS sensors, using wheel rotation speeds to determine when to cancel. So even if you could just plug in the module, I don't think it would work.

I am no expert but I am going to say that assumption is incorrect since I owned a 2008 GL1800 NON ABS and the signals were self cancelling.

[Kidd]

the signal on out 2014s  are mechanical   , you need  to manually move the button to turn them off .

Turn the signal on , then turn off the motor and back on again , signal is still on

That's my guess

[Dragunslayer]

the signal on out 2014s  are mechanical   , you need  to manually move the button to turn them off .

Turn the signal on , then turn off the motor and back on again , signal is still on

That's my guess

LOL you are to funny. The Goldwings switch was mechanical as well. But I would agree there is more than a relay involved in them cancelling without pushing the button.

[dinosnake]

At the least you'll need the Bank Angle sensor

 http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/honda/35161-mjr-671/b3270149?m=156350&sch=846778

I don't see much more to suspect at

http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2014-honda-gold-wing-valkyrie-gl1800c/o/m156350#sch846778

The wire harness is in the Body section.

[Dragunslayer]

At the least you'll need the Bank Angle sensor

 http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/honda/35161-mjr-671/b3270149?m=156350&sch=846778

I don't see much more to suspect at

http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2014-honda-gold-wing-valkyrie-gl1800c/o/m156350#sch846778

The wire harness is in the Body section.

 I am not sure what you're referring to with this post. The bank angle sensor only control what is the bike runs or not when it's on its side. In other words if you were to crash the bank angle sensor cuts the power so goodbye shuts off.

[dinosnake]

At the least you'll need the Bank Angle sensor

 http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/detail/honda/35161-mjr-671/b3270149?m=156350&sch=846778

I don't see much more to suspect at

http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2014-honda-gold-wing-valkyrie-gl1800c/o/m156350#sch846778

The wire harness is in the Body section.

 I am not sure what you're referring to with this post. The bank angle sensor only control what is the bike runs or not when it's on its side. In other words if you were to crash the bank angle sensor cuts the power so goodbye shuts off.

Ah.  My guess is that is just one function of the sensor on EFI-equipped bikes; on other bikes the bank angle sensor is how the self-cancel system tells when the bike has entered & exited a turn

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bank+sensor+self-cancelling+signals

otherwise there's no real way for the system to sense the outside world.

[hungryeye]

Why would Honda make such a complicated process to turn off the signal lights? I jury rigged a Kisan Signal minder to my NC700 with ABS, I'll have to see if the flashers are the same for both Hondas.

[dinosnake]

Why would Honda make such a complicated process to turn off the signal lights? I jury rigged a Kisan Signal minder to my NC700 with ABS, I'll have to see if the flashers are the same for both Hondas.

They all use a bank sensor system, it's the only way for the system to tell (before the advent of ABS, with the wheel's revolution ring counter) to tell when the bike has completed a turn (via straightening up the bike afterwards).

[Robert]

Two sets of diagrams are included one ABS and one NON ABS there is NO self canceling turn signals on the NON ABS, so they must use the ABS like stated to run the self cancel feature. But they also have in the switch housing something pertaining to the self canceling feature. My guess would be some kind of timer but I'm not sure.

 Self canceling seems to incorporate a few different components included with the ABS. The turn signal modules are different in the wiring from ABS to NON ABS so its NOT plug and play. The same goes for the turn signal switch in the housing its different between ABS and NON ABS. All wires from turn signals go direct to the turn signal module so if you want to play with them I suggest just checking the wires directly off the module. The ABS version does have wires going from the ABS Module to the turn signal module.

The rear brake and running light seem to be a normal circuit so if you put another stop light, low power like led or put a relay in that circuit I dont think you would have a problem. This is why the Givi rear trunk bag with the stop light in it worked.

I do not see a bank angle sensor included in the wiring to the turn signal module. Since its a simple on off switch not actually able to tell degrees of position it would not be useful in turn signal cancellation.

Just as a point of interest the horns are wired differently ABS to NON ABS, the reason is the different switch used.

Turn signal relay and turn signal module are totally different from each other and only the modules are different from ABS to NON ABS and the turn signal relay is not only for turn signals but also for audio as well. Its job is nothing more than a standard relay to allow power to the turn signals. The real boss is the turn signal module.

If you could just buy a new turn signal housing and have self canceling signals with wiring changes is unsure at this point. Since I am not sure what the component does in the turn signal housing on the bars.

Just a note the Kisan will not work on this bike the turn signal system is way more complicated than most being LED lighting. That is not to say that Kisan could not make a module for this bike but as of now I dont see one and it would be radically different from anything currently offered. Operation would be more on line with the sm3 on a timer with a modification to the switch to always find center. But the internals and the connections would have to be designed.

This in formation is the starting point for any modification or addition to the turn signal or stop light add ons. I am going to try for the So Cal turn signal light mod to get them to work but that will be when I have the time. This information was the start.

[hungryeye]

I should have looked for 2 part numbers for the harness, I only looked at the relays. It looks like a simple 3 wire plug for the relay, if so it should be simple to connect a universal Kisan using spade connectors as to not cut the plug off leaving it original. This relay is F6C specific, the NC700 I had also had an oddball electronic relay and I made a small harness and connected without cutting wires.
 
I have a universal Kisan in stock but its 92 deg and too humid out to sit in garage, maybe I take a look in the am. As for the switch, I left it stock on the NC700 and was not a problem when it was left in right or left position, Kisan tells you to remove or add a spring, I never do as it will leave the switch alteration irreversible.

I have been known to forget to turn off blinkers on occasion, that is one of the most unsafe things we can do. I usually have 2-3 bikes and always the blinkers work differently. I now have just the Valk and have been doing good remembering to turn off the signals but it only takes one time.

[SteveC]

I might be a little late to this thread, and haven't read all posts, but hopefully this will help. 
I read somewhere, almost certain that it was from Honda, that 2 things govern the turn signal cancellation. - time and distance.  When you activate the signal, you have to travel a certain distance AND a specific number of seconds.  No bank angles, no other sensors.  That's why you can sit at a stop light all day without the cancellation, and you can go a long distance at high speed without it turning off.
Steve

[Robert]

I should have looked for 2 part numbers for the harness, I only looked at the relays. It looks like a simple 3 wire plug for the relay, if so it should be simple to connect a universal Kisan using spade connectors as to not cut the plug off leaving it original. This relay is F6C specific, the NC700 I had also had an oddball electronic relay and I made a small harness and connected without cutting wires.

Just for some more information the 1500 has the f6c designation and I have a Kisan SM3 on my 1500. But there is no Kisan listing for the GL1800 Valkyrie. Do you have the 1500 or the 1800 Valkyrie, because the plugs for the 2 relays are different on the 1800.  From what you are describing sounds like the 1500 not the 1800 so which is it?

[hungryeye]

I have an 1800, I haven't looked at or even tried to locate the relay yet. What I'm saying is if the plug has 3 wire I can wire a 3 prong or 3 wire unit to the plug without cutting the plug off the harness. I did this with a 2012 NC700DCT ABS. It had an oddball relay that Kisan doesn't make a unit for. 3 wires-1 power, 1 right, 1 left turn. Did you look at the plug and notice how many wires?

[Robert]

[hungryeye]

GOOD GREFF, I'll throw the towel in. I'm not a fan of hacking wire harnesses on a new bike, that relay is made for F6C only. I don't understand why they had to make it so complicated. Kisan would have to charge $500 to duplicate that thing.