Rivco Centerstand Exonerated:

[DFragn]

Rivco Centerstand Exonerated:

Walt's Valk was delivered today by Jim and his lovely family from near LaCrosse, WI. today.

Walt's still hurting. But, a good sign is he was off the O2 for a few hours, maybe more, today and up & about. His bruised lung from the rib fractures seems to be finally showing signs of healing.

I had a chance to look over the damage.
Keep in my mind I'm no expert, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to surmise that this centerstand had nothing to do with the mishap. The centerstand shows no [zero] damage or scuffs.
Since Walt has no memory of any part of that ride to assist in determining cause I have, IMHO, determined the cause to be loose gravel/debris & maybe a little over speed.
He came off the right curve and into the left when hell broke loose. He was the second rider in the group to go through there.

He appears to have begun to wash out towards the pavement edge, there is no defined shoulder here, caught even more loose garbage and low sided.
The only damage evidencing the highside event is actually the heel bar of the OEM sidestand. Somehow the sidestand deployed and the ball end of the sidestand heel bar wore flat and the arm bent 1.5". This is resposnible for a pavement gouge. The other pavement gouge was most likely caused by the left exhaust tip when the bike came down on its bum, packing the left piggie with asphalt.

In my best estimation, it was either the sidestand heelbar or the tires that may have caught and highsided him. I'm leaning towards the tires because I think the sidestand would have folded up unless the bike was sliding backwards.

There is absolutely no damage to highway pegs, engine crash guard or anything else that could have caused the highside. All other damage is impact related from the "endo".

The other recent threads concerning his centerstand are now [likely] proven erroneous.

As I stated before. If the Rivco centerstand is installed and adjusted as per Rivco's instructions, or higher as I've done, it will not be the first contact item on a Valk with OEM rider pegs.
Kury ergo pegs touch later then OEM pegs so understand the centerstand is a little closer to contact, the curved portion of the deployment arm, then with OEM pegs. I imagine a little further with accessory rider floor boards.

Improper centerstand install due to passenger boards:
Smok'nJoe has taken a hardline against Rivco's centerstand. I agree with him that the centerstand on his I/S was a huge problem. Because it was obviousley adjusted too low because his accessory passenger floorboards wouldn't allow a higher adjustment. That is if the boards were to remain functional.
I disagree with his stand that the Rivco centerstand is a "killer".  He removed it in lieu of keeping it and doing something with the pass. floorboards to allow proper centerstand adjustment.

Rivco centerstands are safe. But, you must be aware of how your individual accessories could effect lean angles and handling if you've added something low make sure it's adjusted properly and know it's potential limits. If something is likely to touch before your pegs then maybe ride it like an HD or remove it.

If you're feeling a little skittish about the centerstand by all means - take it off. I can tell you this from my own experiences at 90 mph through a left sweeper dragging my left [Kuryakyn] peg. That my centerstand did not contact! And, I might add that my front E3 did not walk or slide out. That front E3 had no "chicken strip" it was feathered right up to the sidewall/tread ridge. BTW the E3's profile is a bit broader then a few other Valk fronts.
Example: Doing the same ride as mentioned on the E3, a Metzler front was impossible to get over that far. Tire profile, especially the front, dictates whether or not you can scrub the entire front tire tread surface.

Ride safe...

I would like to add that Wisconsin has many many exhilarating roads and top notch surfaces, especially covering a good portion of the state from the Mississippi east.
This apparently was one of the valley type "rustic" roads that can be in inherently rough condition and offer more surprises then usual.

Loose debris & soft cold patch


Poor road surface


Bike did an almost true vertical end-over-end


She came down on her bum & packed the far left piggie with asphalt


Smok'nJoe's centerstand: You can see the boards and perhaps the Cobra pipes would not allow proper adjustment. It's dangerously low.


I wanted to keep my passenger boards so I installed Rivco's adj. mounts to keep my cstand high enough for general safety.
The lowest position is pretty much the OE fixed position & you can see what happens to the cstand.

[csj]

It's good to know that the Rivco is good. It did not seem likely to me
that it could have caused the problem.

I like the Rivco, helps me do maintenance, does not cause me any
kind of problem, except, that it bounces from time to time
on harsh bumps.

Another rider mentioned that he had the bounce also,
he talked about a 'new' spring, available only recently.
I'd like some info as to where to order that spring.

All the best to Walt.

[Chillerman]

Thanks DFragn.  Glad to hear Walt is doing better. There has been a lot of panic and misinformation put out there since KingBee's accident.  It has always been hard for me to believe that with a properly adjusted CS there was any danger of it hitting before lots of other parts hit first.  Mine has always been a great help to me and I would never get rid of it!  They are definitely not the killers some make them out to be.

[Black Dog]

DFragn,

Great write up, and analysis.  The pictures showing the road surface, also give a good idea of another factor in the lay down.

Glad to hear Walt is improving.  Hope to hear he's back on two wheels soon.

Black Dog

[DFragn]

DFragn,

Great write up, and analysis.  The pictures showing the road surface, also give a good idea of another factor in the lay down.

Glad to hear Walt is improving.  Hope to hear he's back on two wheels soon.

Black Dog

Your right Black Dog.
There's a pretty good dip coming out of the inside right into the left outside. It could have unloaded his suspension enough to facilitate a slide.
Although, I know KingBee's riding style and it would be unusual for him to come out of the right curve so far right. Who knows?
No one in the group saw exactly what happened! In fact the lead bike got some distance up to a stop sign and wandered back wondering where everyone was.

[Kingbee]

Ouch!  Seeing those PICs again just made things hurt worse.  To top it off, today Dr said I also had fractures of the shoulder socket, so no more riding this year...............

[John Schmidt]

Guess what....that shoulder socket will be your best forecaster available when healed. Give it all time(we're not 25 anymore), heal well so we can see you back on the road.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I still say the two most dangerous things you can put on a Valkyrie are the Rivco centerstand and a Dunflop E3 to each his own.... I was getting my info from the VOAI board below is a copy / paste from that site ( for the record it sounds like this rider saw the crash ) ....There's more also.I know the Rivco that was on my bike was right up on the exhaust in fact it made a mark on it I also know it just about threw me across a four-lane highway in a left hand curve.I'm glad y'all like yours maybe that will keep them off the market and keep someone from getting hurt or killed .


 Re: Walt aka Kingbee update Sunday, Oct 4th
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 09:47:37 PM » Quote  

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He slid a bit off the road on a left-hander, his center stand dug into the pavement, and his bike was flipped end-over-end. He was thrown off to the right side of the road when it flipped. The damage is in the front and rear as the bike went end-over-end.

[DFragn]

I still say the two most dangerous things you can put on a Valkyrie are the Rivco centerstand and a Dunflop E3 to each his own.... I was getting my info from the VOAI board below is a copy / paste from that site ( for the record it sounds like this rider saw the crash ) ....There's more also.I know the Rivco that was on my bike was right up on the exhaust in fact it made a mark on it I also know it just about threw me across a four-lane highway in a left hand curve.I'm glad y'all like yours maybe that will keep them off the market and keep someone from getting hurt or killed .


 Re: Walt aka Kingbee update Sunday, Oct 4th
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 09:47:37 PM » Quote  

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He slid a bit off the road on a left-hander, his center stand dug into the pavement, and his bike was flipped end-over-end. He was thrown off to the right side of the road when it flipped. The damage is in the front and rear as the bike went end-over-end.

I do read the VOA board Joe. "Sounds like he saw it" is also speculation and inacurate.
Taz was also at Walt's house as well as JimR & Jim from Lacrosse who brought the bike down. All three riders were in the group that day with Walt.

My understanding is no one actually witnessed it happen. All reports were speculation based on where Walt ended up, damage to the bike and damage to the roadway.
I too speculated from talking to Walt while he was in the hospital and posted those speculations based on early speculations and the facts of my extensive hands-on knowledge of his bike and setup.

This subsequent thread is the direct result of my personally inspecting Walt's bike yesterday along with the above mentioned riders from the group and analyzing about 30 pictures.

nitrojunkie330's thread was speculation and his centerstand theory was in accurate. I've seen the proof! Not a scratch or mar on his centerstand, not even a foot pad! As I stated it was quite possibly the sidestand based on damage sustained to it or the tires stood it up and flipped it. It could have been something else, but it certainly wasn't the Rivco Centerstand!

My thread remains speculative but is the most accurate to date. That could change, but unlikely.

Your hardline with the Rivco centerstand is as I suggested, over the top. You had potentially 2 issues causing your cstand being suspended too low. Both aftermarket parts. Your photo is difficult to determine due to unknown angle of the camera. Suspension comes into play too. It still looks low. My posts warn of installing the cstand in direct relation to non OEM  exhausts and passenger pegs. But, I would be willing to bet Rivco's liabilty drops away if their engineered accessory is affected by "others" aftermarket parts in direct relation to there's. Any liability would be based on there products direct use with related OEM parts only. They can't possible engineer an item to be 100% safe with all potential non-OEM parts that are available or to become available. Especially exhausts & passenger floor boards which could greatly alter their Valk cstand safe useage.

All I can tell you about the E3 front is I've pushed to absolute full capacity of it's tread in the twisties at 40 mph & up to 90 mph. It did not exhibit a single issue. It stuck like glue on varying surfaces with the exception of riding like that on freshly laid asphalt. I would never push extremes on greasy new asphalt surface.
And as you know at 90 at full tilt dragging Kury rider pegs that touch later then OEM pegs the forces are drastically increased where the tread is put to the road. It never ever slipped on me. That is with warm to hot ambient air temps and hot tires & pavement. With a cold tire and pavement I wouldn't push my luck any tire will slip or slide when cold/cold. Cold/cold is when I believe a CT rear is going to a have better opportunity to out-traction the front too aside from wet pavement.

As you said; to each their own. If you provided more info such as conditions you pushed the E3 through when it slipped I would find your hardline effort a little more palatable. I want to understand why it did as it did for you. A simple it's a killer or it's suicide. Is a strong suggestion to others to avoid it, just as free E3's for life [or whatever it was] wouldn't be acceptable. We should be given an opportunity to make an informed decision of our own other than a don't use it kind of thing.

[roboto65]

Not to stir anything else up but have you guys ever watched a motorcycle race and some of the crashes well if you have then you have seen bikes violently tumble end over end but they have no Kickstands or centerstands so the tires could have caught sending the bike into a highside and then twist and end over end again all speculation.

Do not know you Kingbee but get better soon and well wishes !!!!

[DFragn]

no Kickstands or centerstands so the tires could have caught sending the bike into a highside and then twist and end over end again all speculation.

I agree, I've only speculated the sidestand or tires. There could be a 3rd entity that we've missed. But, my mind hasn't gotten there. I've just been trying to admonish the centerstand since is was unlikely involved from the beginning and now can be ruled out and a few statements about it seemed to cause [IMO] some unnecessary apprehensions.

I'm just glad it wasn't anymore severe to KingBee.

[Baloo]

Ouch!!

I've been away from the board a couple of weeks, so I was not aware of Walt's accident. Sorry for you Walt! I'm glad to see that you are well enough to be able to write on the board. Best wishes for a very quick recovery!

[FLATSIX]

I was thinking by myself the last days ; "where are Kingbee's posts?" till today I read about your accident.

i am very sorry for you that it happened, and I really wish that you recover very quickly so that you can turn this black page and enjoy again from riding the Lady.

[Duey]

 

[SANDMAN5]

As you said; to each their own. If you provided more info such as conditions you pushed the E3 through when it slipped I would find your hardline effort a little more palatable. I want to understand why it did as it did for you. A simple it's a killer or it's suicide. Is a strong suggestion to others to avoid it, just as free E3's for life [or whatever it was] wouldn't be acceptable. We should be given an opportunity to make an informed decision of our own other than a don't use it kind of thing.

I'm not trying to speak for Joe, but I agree with him on the E3. I had one front (Darkside rear)
and I took it off while it still had about 1/2 tread left. I never felt comfortable with it in the rain
and it tried to slide out from under me at least twice (serious loss of traction) on smooth dry
roads. Anybody that's ridden with me knows I'm not a habitual peg dragger, I drag'em maybe
3 or 4 times a year, so it's not a "going too fast" issue. I've mentioned before that I might have
gotten a "bad" tire, but added with my other Dunlop experiences over the years it's enough to
keep me from buying another one. The one that made my mind up was on the way home from
Hot Springs, NC. Smooth road, sunshine, no traffic. I was riding about 5-10 over the speed limit
and went into an easy right hander heading onto a bridge. Next thing I know my front end is not
doing what I'm telling it to do. I was in a tire track, not in the oil/loose gravel track. I've slid on
gravels, snow/ice, wet leaves, oil and Dunlop E3's. I didn't enjoy any of them and do my best to
avoid them all. YMMV.  

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I still say the two most dangerous things you can put on a Valkyrie are the Rivco centerstand and a Dunflop E3 to each his own.... I was getting my info from the VOAI board below is a copy / paste from that site ( for the record it sounds like this rider saw the crash ) ....There's more also.I know the Rivco that was on my bike was right up on the exhaust in fact it made a mark on it I also know it just about threw me across a four-lane highway in a left hand curve.I'm glad y'all like yours maybe that will keep them off the market and keep someone from getting hurt or killed .


 Re: Walt aka Kingbee update Sunday, Oct 4th
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 09:47:37 PM » Quote  

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He slid a bit off the road on a left-hander, his center stand dug into the pavement, and his bike was flipped end-over-end. He was thrown off to the right side of the road when it flipped. The damage is in the front and rear as the bike went end-over-end.

I do read the VOA board Joe. "Sounds like he saw it" is also speculation and inacurate.
Taz was also at Walt's house as well as JimR & Jim from Lacrosse who brought the bike down. All three riders were in the group that day with Walt.

My understanding is no one actually witnessed it happen. All reports were speculation based on where Walt ended up, damage to the bike and damage to the roadway.
I too speculated from talking to Walt while he was in the hospital and posted those speculations based on early speculations and the facts of my extensive hands-on knowledge of his bike and setup.

This subsequent thread is the direct result of my personally inspecting Walt's bike yesterday along with the above mentioned riders from the group and analyzing about 30 pictures.

nitrojunkie330's thread was speculation and his centerstand theory was in accurate. I've seen the proof! Not a scratch or mar on his centerstand, not even a foot pad! As I stated it was quite possibly the sidestand based on damage sustained to it or the tires stood it up and flipped it. It could have been something else, but it certainly wasn't the Rivco Centerstand!

My thread remains speculative but is the most accurate to date. That could change, but unlikely.

Your hardline with the Rivco centerstand is as I suggested, over the top. You had potentially 2 issues causing your cstand being suspended too low. Both aftermarket parts. Your photo is difficult to determine due to unknown angle of the camera. Suspension comes into play too. It still looks low. My posts warn of installing the cstand in direct relation to non OEM  exhausts and passenger pegs. But, I would be willing to bet Rivco's liabilty drops away if their engineered accessory is affected by "others" aftermarket parts in direct relation to there's. Any liability would be based on there products direct use with related OEM parts only. They can't possible engineer an item to be 100% safe with all potential non-OEM parts that are available or to become available. Especially exhausts & passenger floor boards which could greatly alter their Valk cstand safe useage.

All I can tell you about the E3 front is I've pushed to absolute full capacity of it's tread in the twisties at 40 mph & up to 90 mph. It did not exhibit a single issue. It stuck like glue on varying surfaces with the exception of riding like that on freshly laid asphalt. I would never push extremes on greasy new asphalt surface.
And as you know at 90 at full tilt dragging Kury rider pegs that touch later then OEM pegs the forces are drastically increased where the tread is put to the road. It never ever slipped on me. That is with warm to hot ambient air temps and hot tires & pavement. With a cold tire and pavement I wouldn't push my luck any tire will slip or slide when cold/cold. Cold/cold is when I believe a CT rear is going to a have better opportunity to out-traction the front too aside from wet pavement.

As you said; to each their own. If you provided more info such as conditions you pushed the E3 through when it slipped I would find your hardline effort a little more palatable. I want to understand why it did as it did for you. A simple it's a killer or it's suicide. Is a strong suggestion to others to avoid it, just as free E3's for life [or whatever it was] wouldn't be acceptable. We should be given an opportunity to make an informed decision of our own other than a don't use it kind of thing.

 

I'll stick with the Rivco Centerstand is a outstanding way to get high-sided in a left hand curve( Hurt , Killed , Dangerous )
Mine hit the pavement in a left-hander and nearly threw me and the bike a 180 . It was on my Interstate all of 18 miles before I took it off ....Thats not " over the top " as you put it thats a ( FACT ).

The E3 front slid out from under me on 3 occasion's ( FACT ) the last time it almost put me under a guard rail on The Cherohala Skyline it had around 3,000 miles on it when I took it off...I always check the psi before any of my motorcycles leave the garage.  


Just so you will know the next time you want to defame me it goes like this.... " I would'nt have a DunFLOP E3 on my bike if they gave them to me with free mounting " .

 DFragn if you like the Rivco and E3 that's up to you....My statements about them both are FACT based and I will share with folks when I think something on their motorcycle could get them hurt or killed....Ride On


I love this picture  

[Chillerman]

Joe,

Fact:  You posted this picture, I assume of your Interstate.



Fact:  The centerstand is horribly adjusted.  It is at least 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the exhaust.  That's way too low and definitely a problem even to riders who are not as agressive as you are.

Fact:  You are WAY too sensitive dude, chill out! No one is trying to "defame you".

Fact:  Here is my properly adjusted centerstand!  

Fact:  You would be hitting the engine guard before you hit my centerstand.




You can tell everyone you want that the Rivco centerstand is a killer but get your facts straight and maybe see that the one you had wasn't properly adjusted.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

  You might be right DF does'nt like me for some reason and I did take his post alittle hard. My bike has Cobra floorboards it had them for the driver and passenger I had to take the driver floorboards off to keep from  destroying them and the passenger floorboards DID get in the way of the Rivco but the stand still rode on the exhaust ( back-side ) . The combo of the stand hitting the exhaust and having to keep it  off the floorboads is the reason for the adjustment....It's gone now and I'm happy all you guys are correct nothing is better than Dunflops and the Rivco Centerstand  

[98valk]

Joe,

Fact:  You posted this picture, I assume of your Interstate.



Fact:  The centerstand is horribly adjusted.  It is at least 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the exhaust.  That's way too low and definitely a problem even to riders who are not as agressive as you are.

Fact:  You are WAY too sensitive dude, chill out! No one is trying to "defame you".

Fact:  Here is my properly adjusted centerstand!  

Fact:  You would be hitting the engine guard before you hit my centerstand.




You can tell everyone you want that the Rivco centerstand is a killer but get your facts straight and maybe see that the one you had wasn't properly adjusted.

CM, I have mine adjusted even closer. Put a section of bicycle inner tube on the CS arm so that there is no metal to metal contact with the exhaust.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Joe,

Fact:  You posted this picture, I assume of your Interstate.



Fact:  The centerstand is horribly adjusted.  It is at least 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the exhaust.  That's way too low and definitely a problem even to riders who are not as agressive as you are.

Fact:  You are WAY too sensitive dude, chill out! No one is trying to "defame you".

Fact:  Here is my properly adjusted centerstand!  

Fact:  You would be hitting the engine guard before you hit my centerstand.




You can tell everyone you want that the Rivco centerstand is a killer but get your facts straight and maybe see that the one you had wasn't properly adjusted.

CM, I have mine adjusted even closer. Put a section of bicycle inner tube on the CS arm so that there is no metal to metal contact with the exhaust.

After a closer look ...It looks like your's is also hitting on the back-side...What about bumps ?

[Dave Weaver]

Ouch!  Seeing those PICs again just made things hurt worse.  To top it off, today Dr said I also had fractures of the shoulder socket, so no more riding this year...............

Walt,
Do what the doctor says and get well soon.  We all hope you are up and at them in no time.  Now, as for that stable of bikes you have that will be unridden for the rest of the year.....

[Dave Weaver]

I will take all of the free ones you are willing to send my way.   

[DFragn]

I will take all of the free ones you are willing to send my way.   

Me too!
I'll even send a UPS shipping label and have them picked up from your door.

If they've been mounted please nothing over 200 miles though. I couldn't be sure they didn't come from a bike with misaligned forks or early stage swingarm bearing issues. New is ok too!

[HOZ]

I'm looking for a Rivco center stand and Rivco adjustable passenger floorboards, new or used, Rivco doesn't list them anymore so have to look some place else. Just installed a new set of E3's front and rear on my I/S, Metzlers f/r on my Tourer, they are black, round and rubber, thats all that matters to me.

[NITRO]

nitrojunkie330's thread was speculation and his centerstand theory was in accurate. I've seen the proof! Not a scratch or mar on his centerstand, not even a foot pad! As I stated it was quite possibly the sidestand based on damage sustained to it or the tires stood it up and flipped it. It could have been something else, but it certainly wasn't the Rivco Centerstand!

Sorry I'm a bit behind here, but, for the record, that wasn't my speculation. That was the consensus of the group riding that day. Also for the record, I did NOT see it happen, I was just reporting what everyone THOUGHT had happened while we were standing around the accident site. I was just a couple bikes back, but he was a ways ahead at that point.

Either way, I'm just happy Walt's okay. Happy riding to all!

[DFragn]

nitrojunkie330's thread was speculation and his centerstand theory was in accurate. I've seen the proof! Not a scratch or mar on his centerstand, not even a foot pad! As I stated it was quite possibly the sidestand based on damage sustained to it or the tires stood it up and flipped it. It could have been something else, but it certainly wasn't the Rivco Centerstand!

Sorry I'm a bit behind here, but, for the record, that wasn't my speculation. That was the consensus of the group riding that day. Also for the record, I did NOT see it happen, I was just reporting what everyone THOUGHT had happened while we were standing around the accident site. I was just a couple bikes back, but he was a ways ahead at that point.

Either way, I'm just happy Walt's okay. Happy riding to all!

My apologies Nitro.
I didn't realize you were posting a speculative consensus. It would be highly unusual for anyone to inspect someones downed bike at the seen that thoroughly. I wouldn't have even if I'd been there.

Heck, even my thread here is speculative, but I was able to rule out the centerstand.

[FLAVALK]

I use to drag pegs more than I should and never had a problem with my center stand....however, after reading all of the posts here, it certainly has slowed me down recently...especially this past week when we rode the Dragon. Looking at my pics on Killboy, I looked very tentative and felt it.....hmmmm. Never felt that way before. 

[BudMan]

...after reading all of the posts here, it certainly has slowed me down recently...especially this past week when we rode the Dragon. Looking at my pics on Killboy, I looked very tentative and felt it.....hmmmm. Never felt that way before. 

Maybe we’re getting older and smarter?  I’d hate to think I’m JUST getting older.

[DFragn]

I use to drag pegs more than I should and never had a problem with my center stand....however, after reading all of the posts here, it certainly has slowed me down recently...especially this past week when we rode the Dragon. Looking at my pics on Killboy, I looked very tentative and felt it.....hmmmm. Never felt that way before. 

That's the very reason I jumped on my bandwagon. There was some antipathy created for the Rivco Cstand by erroneous early reports of a centerstand causing an accident. And compounded by a report as being a suicide mission to run the Rivco centerstand. The author has since declared his aftermarket passenger boards and non-OEM exhaust of inhibiting even reasonable centerstand lean clearance adjustment potential.

Nothing wrong with a fresh awareness of the stand to keep you safe. But with proper adjustement along with OEM equipment the engine guard [in most cases] will touch before the centerstand. This isn't true of every Valkyrie. That's why I stressed "know your bikes setup". And additionally, never ride beyond your known limits or the bikes limits or your comfort level. If it don't feel right - don't do it.

[Paxton]

About two weeks ago, someone was selling some nice stuff in our classifieds, amongst which there was a very nice Rivco CS. 
As I recall his asking price was $350.

I think it was gone in 48 hours.

[Chattanooga Mark]

All the best to you Walt for a quick and a full recovery.

I had a Rivco CS on my last Interstate and would like another on this one. I have an oem exhaust and just added the Rivco billet passenger floorboards. I also have my oem rear shocks set at 5 (b/c I'm heavy) with E3's front and rear. I'm not an agressive rider on my Interstate.

Without a scratch on the Rivco CS being discussed here, it clearly had nothing to do with the accident.

Now what's this about Rivco making another style of CS mount that can/t/won't crush the frame crossover tube??? That woulb be a very nice modification. The pictures of the center stand with the Cobra pipes is IMHO, clearly adjusted dangerously low. The close up or the one on the road, that adjustment is going to be an issue. With stock exhaust pipes the center stand can obviously be correctly adjusted as to not be cause for concern in left turns.

All the best,

Mark

[X Ring]

All the best to you Walt for a quick and a full recovery.

I had a Rivco CS on my last Interstate and would like another on this one. I have an oem exhaust and just added the Rivco billet passenger floorboards. I also have my oem rear shocks set at 5 (b/c I'm heavy) with E3's front and rear. I'm not an agressive rider on my Interstate.

Without a scratch on the Rivco CS being discussed here, it clearly had nothing to do with the accident.

Now what's this about Rivco making another style of CS mount that can/t/won't crush the frame crossover tube??? That woulb be a very nice modification. The pictures of the center stand with the Cobra pipes is IMHO, clearly adjusted dangerously low. The close up or the one on the road, that adjustment is going to be an issue. With stock exhaust pipes the center stand can obviously be correctly adjusted as to not be cause for concern in left turns.

All the best,

Mark

Mark, I don't think you realized this but Kingbee's accident was almost 3 years ago.  Paxton revived an old thread.

Marty

[Chattanooga Mark]

You are correct sir, I didn't realize this thread was so old.

Thank You, 

Mark

[98valk]

You are correct sir, I didn't realize this thread was so old.

Thank You, 

Mark

Giving a Blessing is never too late. 

[gordonv]

And now I know why King Bee switch over his IS parts to a Tourer to re-create a custom IS.