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Gabriel
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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2017, 05:00:36 PM »

I have one more thing that fits into the topic here about running synthetic motor oil.
 
 In the late 90's I was teaching a class at the Collage in my Lab where we were building a Chevy engine and after completion and run in the cam went flat.
I contacted Crane Cams in Florida and they wanted the camshaft and lifters back, after a few days they contacted me and asked if we were using synthetic oil, I said yes Mobile One and their reply was that this is the problem.
These engines us a flat tappet camshaft that rotates the lifter body as it follows the lift ramp on the cam and the lifter must rotate because the overturning forces are to great to raise the lifter straight up.
I already knew this because the lifter does not sit centered on the lobe.
What I did not know is synthetic oil does not allow the lifter to spin and the sheer was so excessive it wore the lobe flat.
Now you would think that if the oil is slick enough to not spin the lifter it would be slick enough not to harm the cam, it just ain't so. Once the cam is broken in it's safe to use syn.
So some applications and some circumstances are not suitable synthetic motor oil...

also crane had problems with the hardening of the lobes back then using cheaper suppliers.

your spinning your wheels with owners on this site when it comes to oil. they like changing 3k miles with syn cause they feel good and its cheap insurance. I've done oil analysis with 10w30 diesel oil and at 10k miles of usage it was still good to use. and this was over 2 yrs and 2 winters. was all going to work mileage, whereas the longest hwy trip was 15 miles. u can look up my posts trying to educate people. I just read, shake my head and laugh nowadays, what people post.  DDT with his hwy usage if he done one UOA, he would have seen he could have gone at least 12-15k miles btwn each oil change maybe longer.  there were other yrs ago who posted they where using 5w40 for 10k miles all of the time, just changing the filter at 5k miles and toping off.

I agree, I quit trying to convince people about anything, because if there is anything I learned it's that life is about perception and most people are very comfortable with that, I don't want to be the one that throws a stick in the spokes.
 However, I will spend a lot of time if they are interested, but most are just not that interested and I can certainly appreciate that.

I like to eat but I don't want to know how a garden works. All I can say is, I'm grateful there are grocery stores. Peace-out... 
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bzane
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2017, 09:35:20 PM »

Yikes, an infinite oil thread!

Let's all agree that any good oil (but probably not energy conserving), changed frequently (about 3000 mi) will yield a 200k+ engine.

I'll stay t6 because it is good, easy to find, and well priced. But m1 and Dino okay, too.

Better things to agonize over - like more chrome!
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Bone
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« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2017, 04:02:34 AM »

Changed the T6 in my 98 Tourer last week. I keep pretty good records of the maintenance but sometimes forget to check them.
This oil change was after 9252 miles. Most ever for an oil change.
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98valk
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« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2017, 05:13:27 AM »

Yikes, an infinite oil thread!

Let's all agree that any good oil (but probably not energy conserving), changed frequently (about 3000 mi) will yield a 200k+ engine.

I'll stay t6 because it is good, easy to find, and well priced. But m1 and Dino okay, too.

Better things to agonize over - like more chrome!


Do Not Agree with 3k mile changed esp when the Honda engineers require 8k miles changes with dino oil.
case in point, my DR200SE, an air cooled thumper with 1 qt fill is required to be changed 3k miles.
consumers have zero idea where and why for the 3k oil change.
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