What other bikes have you owned over the years?

[Dave Ritsema]

I must admit I saw a post on another board where one of the posters listed all the bikes he has owned. I thought it might be interesting to hear what others have owned over the years. I don't think this topic has been discussed for a while.

I will start. I am 56 years old and I got my first mini bike when I was 10.

1.  Heathkit Boonie Bike
2.  1966 Honda S90
3.  1964 Honda 305 Dream
4.  19?? Hodaka Super Combat Wombat
5.  1975 Suzuki GT380
6.  1977 Kawasaki KZ 750
7.  1976 Honda CB750
8.  1984 Honda V65 Magna
9.  1985 Honda V65 Sabre
10. 1984 Honda Gold Wing Aspencade
11. 1988 Honda Hurricane 1000
12. 1998 Honda Valkyrie
13. 2001 Honda Valkyrie Interstate
14. 1975 Honda CB360
15. 2013 Honda F6B
16. 2015 Honda Gold Wing.

Feel like I am forgetting a couple but this is the majority of them. Anyone else care to reminisce about previous bikes?

[Cleaver]

1972 Honda 350 SL
1976 Honda 750
1978 Yamaha XS 11
1985 Honda V65 sabre
1986 Honda Goldwing 1200
1988 Honda Goldwing 1500
1994 Honda Goldwing 1500
1998 a 1997 Valkyrie
2000 a 1998 Valkyrie
2004 a 2003 Valkyrie
2013 Honda F6B
Love the smooth power of six!

[scooperhsd]

in order -
1978 Honda CB400A (new)
1976 Honda CB750F (used)
1981 Honda CB750F (new , purchased off showroom floor in 1985)
1994 Honda PC800 (new)
1998 Honda GL1500C Valkyrie (used) - current

[RDKLL]

Let's see
1969 Honda QA50
197X Honda Trail 70 3 spd Auto
197X Honda Trail 70 4 spd w/ clutch
1976 Honda Goldwing
1998 Honda Valkyrie Tourer (New)
1998 Honda Valkyrie Tourer (Used after the Valk above was totaled) Still own, currently bobber Valk
1997 Honda Valkyrie Tourer (Used,boght for wife and sold after a few years)
2017 KTM Super Duke GT it is our 2 up sport tourer, currently at KTM undergoing $8400 in repairs after hit and run

[Valker]

Wow-cool idea, but I'm gonna miss some.

1957 Cushman Super Eagle
1964 Yamaha 80 Street low pipe
1968 Honda CB450
1969 Suzuki 250 motocrosser
Missing 2 bikes here
1973 Honda CB550
1975 Honda CB750
1973 BMW R75/5 stretch
1978 Honda GL1000
1977 Kawasaki KZ1000
1981 Honda GL1100 Interstate GoldWing
1984 Honda GL1200 Interstate GoldWing
1983 Honda VT500
1974 Honda CB750
1974 BMW R90/6
1988 Kawasaki KLR650
1986 Honda VT600 T/A
1986 Honda TLR200
1982 GL500 Interstate SilverWing
Missing something about here
1998 Honda GL1500 CT Valkyrie
2001 Honda Reflex scooter
2003 Honda ST1300
2001 Honda GL1500C Valkyrie

I still have the last 4, but there are several I am missing. I started riding 50 years ago, so I have that fuzzy memory thing.

[sandy]

'64 Ducati 125
'65 Ducati 200 Elite
'67 Ducati 250 Scrambler
'72 Honda XR125
'74 Honda 550-4
'94 Honda 1100 Spirit
'98 Valk Tourer
'99 Interstate
'05 GoldWing- Still own
'97 Valk Tourer - Still own
'10 Kawi ZX14 Concours - Still own

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wow-cool idea, but I'm gonna miss some.

1957 Cushman Super Eagle
1964 Yamaha 80 Street low pipe
1968 Honda CB450
1969 Suzuki 250 motocrosser
Missing 2 bikes here
1973 Honda CB550
1975 Honda CB750
1973 BMW R75/5 stretch
1978 Honda GL1000
1977 Kawasaki KZ1000
1981 Honda GL1100 Interstate GoldWing
1984 Honda GL1200 Interstate GoldWing
1983 Honda VT500
1974 Honda CB750
1974 BMW R90/6
1988 Kawasaki KLR650
1986 Honda VT600 T/A
1986 Honda TLR200
1982 GL500 Interstate SilverWing
Missing something about here
1998 Honda GL1500 CT Valkyrie
2001 Honda Reflex scooter
2003 Honda ST1300
2001 Honda GL1500C Valkyrie

I still have the last 4, but there are several I am missing. I started riding 50 years ago, so I have that fuzzy memory thing.

Man, I hear you. I'd be lucky to remember 3/4 of them. I always wanted a BMW R75/5. But I'm not familiar with the stretch ?

[six2go #152]

Cool thread Dave  

I'm 72 and have been riding since I was 14 with some time off from 1970 - 1987 to raise a family.
Here's my list:
1)1947 Cushman box type scooter
2)1959 Cushman Eagle(new)
3)1966 Suzuki X-6 Hustler(new)
4)1966 BSA Lightning(new)
5)1967 BSA Lightning
6)1969 Honda 450 Street Scrambler
7)1986 Yamaha 700 Maxim X(new)
8)1988 BMW K75 S
9)2000? Yamaha XS 1100
10)1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard(new)
11)2008 Suzuki 650 V-Strom(new)
12)2013 Honda F6B(new)
13) ?  

[msb]

Not a whole bunch for me, but I have been riding a long time and they've all represented something significant through the years.

1972 Honda 250XL Enduro, circa 1975 ... first bike at age 18 or so

1978 Yamaha 650 Special , in 1978. My first real street bike...brand new. Was fun for a couple of years, but pretty small and under-powered when all my friends at the time rode 750-4 Hondas and Kawi 900's

1973 Norton 850 Commando , circa 1980. All the guys at work had Nortons & Triumphs. This was short lived.

1980 HD 80" Shovel, in 1980. My "thank Heavens I survived" period. Met my bride of 35 & counting years on this bike though...broke down in front of a cafe she was sitting in late one night, where she helped me push it to get it running. Picked her up the next AM for a 3 day ride up the coast and around Vancouver Island...had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender. She moved in when we returned and we got engaged a few weeks later  

1978 Honda 250XL Enduro, circa 1986. Purchased to ride to work when I sold the HD to buy a house after our first daughter was born.

1984 Honda GL1200 GW Aspencade, circa 1990. Purchased to get back into riding full time after daughter number 2 was born.

1999 Valkyrie Interstate. Found my "Mistress" in 2001 with only 3000 KM on her, has been my only ride and I haven't stopped smiling since . Can't imagine ever parting with her...I'm a one bike & one woman kinda guy

[hubcapsc]

Dang world without digital cameras...



I sat on a 72 TS185 a couple of days ago, I had a 73...

-Mike

[cokebottle10]

Cool thread.

197? Kawasaki KZ400 (used) I got my restricted driving licence at 15 in 1976 and was able to ride this bike.
1975 Honda CB750 (used) fixed the transmission and repainted it. Was a good looking and running bike.
1983 Honda GL1100 (new) I traded in the CB750 for it. Test rode a used one and was relay impressed. He said that he got two in each month and would put me on the list for next month. I bought it and forgot to ask what color it was. it turned out to be a beautiful metal flake brown.
1985 GL1200 (used) I still have it but it now needs its third alternator.
1999 GL1500CF (used) I loved my GL1100 but this Valkyrie Interstate makes me giggle every time I ride it.  

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC

[Chrisj CMA]

First bike at age 14
1970 Honda CB 175
197? Yamaha RD350
1981 Yamaha Maxim 650
1982 Yamaha Maxim 750
1973 Honda CB 175
1997 Valkyrie
1999 Valkyrie
1997 Valkyrie (second '97)

[Valker]

Wow-cool idea, but I'm gonna miss some.

1957 Cushman Super Eagle
1964 Yamaha 80 Street low pipe
1968 Honda CB450
1969 Suzuki 250 motocrosser
Missing 2 bikes here
1973 Honda CB550
1975 Honda CB750
1973 BMW R75/5 stretch
1978 Honda GL1000
1977 Kawasaki KZ1000
1981 Honda GL1100 Interstate GoldWing
1984 Honda GL1200 Interstate GoldWing
1983 Honda VT500
1974 Honda CB750
1974 BMW R90/6
1988 Kawasaki KLR650
1986 Honda VT600 T/A
1986 Honda TLR200
1982 GL500 Interstate SilverWing
Missing something about here
1998 Honda GL1500 CT Valkyrie
2001 Honda Reflex scooter
2003 Honda ST1300
2001 Honda GL1500C Valkyrie

I still have the last 4, but there are several I am missing. I started riding 50 years ago, so I have that fuzzy memory thing.

Man, I hear you. I'd be lucky to remember 3/4 of them. I always wanted a BMW R75/5. But I'm not familiar with the stretch ?

In 1973, BMW made a short wheelbase model (normal wheelbase from previous years) and halfway through the production year, they lengthened the wheelbase. Called "1973½", "Stretch 5", and "Long Wheelbase" models. I still think this is the finest BMW ever built. I'd love another one. Maybe when the legs start to go.

[Jess from VA]

You guys all had more than me.  What did you do wreck them?   

I rode mine for a lot longer  (same deal with my cars/trucks).

[Pete]

1967   Suzuli   X6 Hustler
1968   Suzuki   Scrambler
1970   Suzuki   Titan
197x   Yamaha   MX360
197x   Yamaha   Enduro 360
1972   Suzuki   GT750
1973   Suzuki   GT750
1975   Honda   GoldWing
1975   Honda   GoldWing
1978   Honda   GoldWing
1979   Kawasaki   KZ1300
1982   Honda   GoldWing
1984   Honda   Sabre V65
1988   Honda   GoldWing
1997   Honda   Valkyrie
1999   Honda   Valkyrie Interstate

[solo1]

I'm 89 and quit riding two years ago.  I started riding in 1947.

Here are my two wheel powered bikes.
1947 Whizzer motorbike installed on a Schwinn Henderson
1935 Harley Davidson 45 ci flat head
1946 Matchless 500 cc thumper G80
!963 Honda 350 twin
1979 Yamaha 500 cc thumper
Yamaha 550 Seca (don't remember the year)
Two 1981 Honda 900F's
1989 Honda St100
1986 Honda Gold Wing Interstate
1991 Gold Wing Aspencade
2006 Suzuki 1000 Vstrom
1993 (maybe) Kawasaki 650 KLR thumper
Honda Magna 750
1980 Honda GB500 thumper
1997 Honda Valkyrie

No wrecks, no accidents, just traded.

[Hook#3287]

All Honda

1966 CB160 Used
1972 CL350  New
1973 CR250 Elsinore Used
1975 MT175  New
1974 TL125  Used
1975 CB550 Used
1985 XR250R  New
1988 TRX350 (quad)  New

presently owned

1999 GL1500CT New
1999 GL1500CT Used
1998 GL1500CT Used
1977 GL1000  Used
1978 GL1000  Used
1999 GL1500CF Used
1998 GL1500C  Used
1994 TRX300 (quad) Used

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm 89 and quit riding two years ago.  I started riding in 1947.

Here are my two wheel powered bikes.
1947 Whizzer motorbike installed on a Schwinn Henderson
1935 Harley Davidson 45 ci flat head
1946 Matchless 500 cc thumper G80
!963 Honda 350 twin
1979 Yamaha 500 cc thumper
Yamaha 550 Seca (don't remember the year)
Two 1981 Honda 900F's
1989 Honda St100
1986 Honda Gold Wing Interstate
1991 Gold Wing Aspencade
2006 Suzuki 1000 Vstrom
1993 (maybe) Kawasaki 650 KLR thumper
Honda Magna 750
1980 Honda GB500 thumper
1997 Honda Valkyrie

No wrecks, no accidents, just traded.

You've never had an accident or crash ? Man, I think I must have gotten 20 stitches, a knee operation. And that was before I was out of High School.  My hats off to you Wayne. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

All Honda

1966 CB160 Used
1972 CL350  New
1973 CR250 Elsinore Used
1975 MT175  New
1974 TL125  Used
1975 CB550 Used
1985 XR250R  New
1988 TRX350 (quad)  New

presently owned

1999 GL1500CT New
1999 GL1500CT Used
1998 GL1500CT Used
1977 GL1000  Used
1978 GL1000  Used
1999 GL1500CF Used
1998 GL1500C  Used
1994 TRX300 (quad) Used

All Hondas ? Bill, have you got one of these also ?

[Hook#3287]

All Honda

1966 CB160 Used
1972 CL350  New
1973 CR250 Elsinore Used
1975 MT175  New
1974 TL125  Used
1975 CB550 Used
1985 XR250R  New
1988 TRX350 (quad)  New

presently owned

1999 GL1500CT New
1999 GL1500CT Used
1998 GL1500CT Used
1977 GL1000  Used
1978 GL1000  Used
1999 GL1500CF Used
1998 GL1500C  Used
1994 TRX300 (quad) Used

All Hondas ? Bill, have you got one of these also ?

Ahh, no, I don't.   I'm not a big fan of leather bags. 

[LTD]

1
65 Honda cub 50




65 Honda cub 50, 66 Suzuki 120, 71 Honda scrambler 90, 72 Triumph Daytona, 75 Harley Davidson electra glide, 80 and 81 Suzuki gs 850g,  78 Yamaha 850 special, 81 Suzuki 1100, 72 Suzuki water buffalo, 1998 Honda Valkyrie standard.  I don't miss any of the others after riding the Valkyrie.

[The emperor has no clothes]

All Honda

1966 CB160 Used
1972 CL350  New
1973 CR250 Elsinore Used
1975 MT175  New
1974 TL125  Used
1975 CB550 Used
1985 XR250R  New
1988 TRX350 (quad)  New

presently owned

1999 GL1500CT New
1999 GL1500CT Used
1998 GL1500CT Used
1977 GL1000  Used
1978 GL1000  Used
1999 GL1500CF Used
1998 GL1500C  Used
1994 TRX300 (quad) Used

All Hondas ? Bill, have you got one of these also ?

Ahh, no, I don't.   I'm not a big fan of leather bags. 

so....does that mean you have a TrampStamp of a Teal & Black Tourer ?

[Hook#3287]

1980 HD 80" Shovel, in 1980. My "thank Heavens I survived" period. Met my bride of 35 & counting years on this bike though...broke down in front of a cafe she was sitting in late one night, where she helped me push it to get it running. Picked her up the next AM for a 3 day ride up the coast and around Vancouver Island...had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender. She moved in when we returned and we got engaged a few weeks later  Smiley

  Awesome story 

[The emperor has no clothes]

1980 HD 80" Shovel, in 1980. My "thank Heavens I survived" period. Met my bride of 35 & counting years on this bike though...broke down in front of a cafe she was sitting in late one night, where she helped me push it to get it running. Picked her up the next AM for a 3 day ride up the coast and around Vancouver Island...had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender. She moved in when we returned and we got engaged a few weeks later  Smiley

  Awesome story 

Yes, indeed. Any girl that is willing to push start a bike and then ride around the Province is a keeper. 

[Hook#3287]

1980 HD 80" Shovel, in 1980. My "thank Heavens I survived" period. Met my bride of 35 & counting years on this bike though...broke down in front of a cafe she was sitting in late one night, where she helped me push it to get it running. Picked her up the next AM for a 3 day ride up the coast and around Vancouver Island...had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender. She moved in when we returned and we got engaged a few weeks later  Smiley

  Awesome story 

Yes, indeed. Any girl that is willing to push start a bike and then ride around the Province is a keeper. 

  And to think msb owes his life's happiness to a broken down stinking Harley Shovelhead. 

[NewValker]

Honda 50    yeah the step-thru
Honda 160   FREEDOM!
Honda 305
Honda SL350
Honda CB450  had a really cool pic of a nekkid girl on the tank
Suzuki GS700
Ski boat
Pontoon boat
then back to bikes...way cheaper!
Honda VTX 1800 1st new bike
Honda Valkyrie I/S
Craig

[firemedic309]

rupp minibike
74 Yamaha 250 endure
71 Bridgestone 350 twin GS
Kz 750 twin
98 xr400
94 xr650l
06  klr 650
04 klr 650
94 klr 650
91 Voyager xii
09 GS650G
3 different ZUMA 50's
09 Aprilla sport city 250
97 Valkyrie tourer

[klb]

Long road to get to the Valkyrie.

1977 Honda       XL75              
1976 Kawasaki   KE100        
1974 Yamaha     Enduro 100    
1975 Honda       MR175 Elsinore  
1972 Honda       Mini Trail 50      
1972 Honda       SL125              
1981 Yamaha     TT500
1988 Honda       Hawk 400
1972 Suzuki       TS250
1974 Suzuki       TS250
1973 Yamaha     RD200
1980 Can Am     MX5 250
1980 Yamaha     XT500
1973 Honda       Motosport 250
1986 Honda       XR600R
1988 Honda       XR600R
1985 KTM          500MX
1993 Honda       XL650L
1973 Yamaha     Enduro 360
1997 Honda       XR600R
1997 Honda       Z50
2001 Honda       Shadow Spirit 1100
2001 Honda       Valkyrie Standard
2006 Honda       XR650L
2001 Kawasaki   KX500
2001 Honda       XR650R
2008 Honda       VTX1800R
1999 Honda       Valkyrie Standard

[The emperor has no clothes]

1980 HD 80" Shovel, in 1980. My "thank Heavens I survived" period. Met my bride of 35 & counting years on this bike though...broke down in front of a cafe she was sitting in late one night, where she helped me push it to get it running. Picked her up the next AM for a 3 day ride up the coast and around Vancouver Island...had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender. She moved in when we returned and we got engaged a few weeks later  Smiley

  Awesome story 

Yes, indeed. Any girl that is willing to push start a bike and then ride around the Province is a keeper. 

  And to think msb owes his life's happiness to a broken down stinking Harley Shovelhead. 

I hadn't thought of it that way. But you are right. If he had been riding a Honda 750 he'd have went on to the next town, picked up a skank at the bar and been miserable the rest of his life. (Just messing with you Mike) 

[gordonv]

Not as impressive or as long riding as others.

Back in my early teens, family had a used Honda Trail, I think 50cc. Rode friends dirt bikes.

After the kids grew up, I wanted to get into riding, in-laws rode, thought it would be nice to get out all together.
07' - 82' Honda CM250 Custom (pre-Rebel)
08' - 84' Honda CM400T Custom
08' - 98' Honda ACE Tourer VT1100T - a baby Valkyrie  
09' - 82' Goldwing GL1100 Interstate
09' - 99' Valkyrie IS bought, picked up in Vegas in April 10' - wrote it off in Oct 10'.  
13' - 88' Goldwing GL1500
16' - 99' Valkyrie IS green/silver
16' - 99' Valkyrie IS black/silver

I have no intention of ever selling it, till I can no longer, or give up, ridding. Just trying to personalize it, to make riding nicer (was spoiled on the GWs).

Many memories, of places and good people, and hope to continue that to my old age.


"had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender."

Mike, as already stated, a real keeper. 

[PhoenixRizing]

1980 something Yamaha xj650
2002 Kawasaki Vulcan
And now my 1997 Honda Valkyrie

[wiggydotcom]

First bike was a 1975 Honda 500 Twin. My wife bought it for me for our first anniversary. I had it a couple years but sold it with the intent of getting a bigger bike.
We started having kids and that bigger bike dream didn't happen for over 20yrs.

But in 2001, I jumped from my CB500T 20 yrs earlier to my 2001 Valkyrie Interstate. After that was totaled in 2007,
my next bike was my used 1999 Interstate.

After that was totaled after leaving Inzane in 2015, I decided Valks were unlucky for me and bought my brand new 2013 F6B a month later.
So far so good on keeping the tires on the ground.

[JimC]

#1   68 BSA 650
#2   75 Honda 750
time out for raising family
#3   76 Honda 1000
#4   84 Honda 1200
#5   89 Honda 1500
#6   77 Honda 1000 (still have)
#7   98 Honda Valkyrie standard
#8   00 Honda Valkyrie interstate (still have)

Jim

[msb]

1980 HD 80" Shovel, in 1980. My "thank Heavens I survived" period. Met my bride of 35 & counting years on this bike though...broke down in front of a cafe she was sitting in late one night, where she helped me push it to get it running. Picked her up the next AM for a 3 day ride up the coast and around Vancouver Island...had a solo seat so she did the entire ride on a small piece of foam I brought along for the rear fender. She moved in when we returned and we got engaged a few weeks later  Smiley

 Awesome story  

Yes, indeed. Any girl that is willing to push start a bike and then ride around the Province is a keeper.  

 And to think msb owes his life's happiness to a broken down stinking Harley Shovelhead.  

In essence, yes I guess that is true. Her folks sure weren't quite sure what to make of me when I showed up the next morning at her place and she never went back home after though ...  
1980 was the first year that specific model came without a kickstart. Starter hub would separate so if not in a sweet spot when stopped, you had to bump it over in order to start again. She helped push that thing a lot more times for a year or two until I broke down and had the hub replaced.

[cookiedough]

former:

1970s P.O.S. suzuki 100cc something or another (age 14 or so)
1984 honda 700cc magna  (wish I still kept it sold for 1500 in 1998 still worth today 1500)

atv: 2000 Arctic Cat 500cc auto 4wd
       2003 Polaris 329cc magnum 4wd

current:

2008 Kymco people S250 scooter
1997 Honda 750cc magna (bought for my kid age 16 is getting his class M cycle license next weekend)
2001 Honda Valkyrie Interstate

atv:  2008 Can Am Outlander 500cc MAX 2-up (red)
        2008 Can Am Outlander 800cc MAX 2-up (green)

3 fishing boats, 2 kayaks, and a coleman ram-x scanoe (square back for motor and wider/more stable)

Been thinking of a used 1800 Goldwing, but everytime I look at the Valk I/S so far I cannot part ways with the looks of that bike vs. a Wing.   I hate to part ways with any of my toys if not giving me any issues. 

[old2soon]

Don't remember the year of the H/D but while stationed in San Diego buddy had a older Harley with a side shift that I rode more than he did. Race bike in Japan was a Yamaha Y A-5 and it had a pressed steel frame. Also had access to a 238 Kawasaki moto cross bike in Japan.  1973 C B 500/4 here in the states I had custom painted. In Texas I had an A M F H/D that I kept maybe a month and got 1984? Yamaha Virago 920. The used bike shop I bought the H/D from Told me I would Not like the Harley!   Got hold of a European 250CC? single dirt bike that you needed to work on 2 or 3 days to ride an hour and a half or maybe 2 hours.   Then I got MY 1999 Honda Valkyrie interstate!   I will Say that the a m f Harley's were NOT amongst anybody's good ideas! And to think had I NOT thrown a leg over that Cushman when I was 10 or 11 I would have Never KNOWN the Pure Joy of the wind. One of the few times I defied my parents.   RID SAFE. fergitted that 90CC three wheel Honda thing hat got outlawed. The one where the tires ARE the suspension! 

[Mobile Mayor]

Honda CM400T                                                                                                                          Yamaha XS11 Touring                                                                                                                               1983 Yamaha Venture                                                                                                                        Honda 250 Rebel                                                                                                                              Yamaha 650 Vstar                                                                                                                                 1999 Interstate                                                                                                                                   2007 VTX1300R                                                                                                                        Still have the Interstate but damaged requiring extensive repair, The VStar, Currently riding VStar and 1300R



















                                                                                         

[SpidyJ]

1997 HD 1200XLS
1995 FLHTC
1999 Valkyrie Interstate

[Reb]

1986 - Suzuki DR100
2006 - Honda CBR 600rr
2003 - Honda Shadow Sabre
1998 - Honda Valkyrie (Blue and Cream)
2001 - Honda Goldwing GL1800rr
1997 - Honda Valkyrie (Black)

[Hooter]

I can't remember years but I've owned most all breeds, and even 2 of some. Started on dirt bikes in the mid 60s on Yamahas and Bultacos, and then moved to street bikes. 2-650 Yamaha lard haulers, 750 Honda, Kaws- 1-500, 1-750, 2-900s. 2-Goldthings,  1-Interstate, several Harleys - Electra glides Ultras, Street Glide, 1-Springer I still have, 2 -Valkyries, one of which I still have, Jade & black called Snot. Prolly missed some but that's close. I love older bikes, even if neglected. Then I get to rebuild them. Both my Springer and current Valk were just that. Now the both shine like a diamond in a goats ass.