No rear turn signals

[PhoenixRizing]

Please help!!!! I can't for the life of me figure out why I don't have rear turn signals. Or running lights in the rear. I have license plate light, brake light and rear tailight but nothing for turn signals or running. Bulbs are good. All wires are hooked up. Which wire(s) are for just the turn signals. Any info is greatly appreciated.

[Gryphon Rider]

Try posting here, the proper place for tech questions.

[98valk]

wires inside the turn signal housing and/or where they go through the fender to the harness might have shorted out.  TSH has the wires fished around the internal metal support frame.

[Gryphon Rider]

wires inside the turn signal housing and/or where they go through the fender to the harness might have shorted out.  TSH has the wires fished around the internal metal support frame.

If they've shorted out, look for blown fuses.  Fix the wiring, then put in good fuses.  What's TSH?

[98valk]

wires inside the turn signal housing and/or where they go through the fender to the harness might have shorted out.  TSH has the wires fished around the internal metal support frame.

If they've shorted out, look for blown fuses.  Fix the wiring, then put in good fuses.  What's TSH?

turn signal housing...u made me type out a second time anyway, didn't u? 

[Chrisj CMA]

before you do anything else.  disconnect the connection at the joint between the two parts of the rear fender.  Clean it real good (both sides) and reconnect.  That may fix everything

[PhoenixRizing]

Thanks for all that responded. I will try those. I posted here cause I've posted before on tech board and no one responded. Not on this issue but others. I figured this would get better response.

[gordonv]

It's rare, but sometimes a ? stump us, it's not that we are ignoring the ?

Like mentioned, there is a connector under the rear fender, between the 2 halves. Then another behind the right side cover.

Confirm connected. Then fuse.

After, I would use a meter at the side cover, and confirm signal there.

[PhoenixRizing]

I know bout the connectors cause I've taken the bike apart twice now for two different paint jobs. I've checked behind the side panel. And the one that goes right to the taillight assembly. However I did not check the one between the two halves. Also I will take them apart and clean them very well. There for awhile I didn't have running lights but I did have the right turn signal only. That it was the bulb but once I switched them the left bulb worked in the right blinker. Now neither works. But the front blinkers do. They just blink really fast. So I will continue to chase this issue and if I run into issues I will get back to you guys. Thanks again. 

[John Schmidt]

Light blue and orange are the turn signal wires. I forget which side they apply to.

[PhoenixRizing]

Thanks John

[indybobm]

Unless you or someone else has modified it, you will not have rear running lights. There are only 2 wires going to each turn signal housing. Front lights have 3 wires.
I have an SingleMinder SM3 on my bike to give me rear running lights but it is not stock.

[PhoenixRizing]

Well I have front running lights. That's why I thought I'd have rear. Everything seems stock. I'll let ya know what I find out.

[vanagon40]

Assuming you have a Standard or Tourer, I confirm what my neighbor from Franklin stated, there are no rear running lights (other than the center tail light). If you have a voltage tester, I would recommend checking for voltage (flashing) at the bulb socket, with both the socket ground and a good frame or engine ground. If no voltage, trace the wires back from the turn signals. You should find connections under the right side cover.

If you have voltage only using a frame or engine ground, the ground would be the problem (but it seems odd the tail light and brake light would work).

(If you do not have a voltage tester, I would highly recommend purchasing one. It does not need to be expensive.)

Good luck.

[John Schmidt]

The wire colors for the front running lights are blue/white and orange/white, the turns are solid colors. If it's stock in back, you won't find those double colored wires in back....just solid.

[PhoenixRizing]

I believe whoever hooked up my original spotlights messed up something. Cause I do have those double wire colors in the headlight bucket along with the solid. And for the back I have a solid wire splitting into a two wire setup, one double colored and one solid. As it sits now whenever I turn on the blinker whatever side I turned on, the front blinker will work and that side spot light will cut off. Then when I release it the spotlight will turn back on. Also as soon as I turn the key to the on position all the lights work. It's a 97 tourer. Thanks for all the info guys. I will be trying to tackle this job this Sunday.

[Roidfingers]

IMHO I'd just unhook it all and rewire to schematic .

[98valk]

I believe whoever hooked up my original spotlights messed up something. Cause I do have those double wire colors in the headlight bucket along with the solid. And for the back I have a solid wire splitting into a two wire setup, one double colored and one solid. As it sits now whenever I turn on the blinker whatever side I turned on, the front blinker will work and that side spot light will cut off. Then when I release it the spotlight will turn back on. Also as soon as I turn the key to the on position all the lights work. It's a 97 tourer. Thanks for all the info guys. I will be trying to tackle this job this Sunday.

might be a double ground or just re-wire per below.
http://www.rattlebars.com/valkfaq/circuits.html

http://www.rattlebars.com/valkfaq/schematics/index.html

[fudgie]

Also check wires under the rt side cover. There are connections there. I lost a rt signal and traced it back to a loose connection under the cover.

[John Schmidt]

I believe whoever hooked up my original spotlights messed up something. Cause I do have those double wire colors in the headlight bucket along with the solid. And for the back I have a solid wire splitting into a two wire setup, one double colored and one solid. As it sits now whenever I turn on the blinker whatever side I turned on, the front blinker will work and that side spot light will cut off. Then when I release it the spotlight will turn back on. Also as soon as I turn the key to the on position all the lights work. It's a 97 tourer. Thanks for all the info guys. I will be trying to tackle this job this Sunday.

You will have all those wires coming together in the headlight bucket for the front lights, that's where everything hooks together. From what you described, someone has wired it so the spots work the same as the front running lights. When you hit a turn signal, the front run light for that side goes off in normal operation. As for the rear, check the turn signal bulb to see if it's an 1157, dual filament lamp. Sounds like they might have wired the rear turns to operate as run lights.

[srteach]

Funny, just yesterday I fixed a lighting issue on the rear of my Valk. I had previously found where the plug between front and rear halves of the rear fender had fallen out of place and was riding on the tire. 4 wires worn through and the other two shorted. Replaced both halves of the wire harness.

Use a test light between good ground and any green wire under turn signal or brake light frames. If that fixes issue, you have ground issues. Test green wire at each connector up the circuit.
If that doesn't fix it, test colored wires back up the wire loom at other connectors.
At some point, you will find the test light working as expected and you need to find the problem between working point and nonworking point.

Orange and blue are turn wires, brown wire is license light and running light for brake light assy. Green is ground for both turn sigs. Green / yellow is ground for license / running light. I forget what the brake light wire color is.

[allanbegg]

Whoever wired in your spotlights hooked the relay(s) to the front running lights.
Whenever you press the turn signal switch, the front running light goes out, so that there is a more of a contracts between the blinking light and an "off" condition. In your case, the spotlight is going out as well.

That has nothing to do with the lights at the rear, but will let you decide of you want to move the trigger wire for the spotlight relay to a different location, or leave as-is.

Allan

[98valk]

Whoever wired in your spotlights hooked the relay(s) to the front running lights.
Whenever you press the turn signal switch, the front running light goes out, so that there is a more of a contracts between the blinking light and an "off" condition. In your case, the spotlight is going out as well.

That has nothing to do with the lights at the rear, but will let you decide of you want to move the trigger wire for the spotlight relay to a different location, or leave as-is.

Allan

that's a good idea, I should figure out how to wire up my lower lights to do that.

[PhoenixRizing]

Tried to post this last night must not of done so. I fixed the blinkers on the rear. Two issues I found, 1. Upon putting together the assembly after this last paint job I hooked all wires to correct colors and pushed them all into that tight little cubby they go in, however without me seeing it the orange and the light blue wire both blinker wires came undone and that's why I had no blinkers in the rear. Once I pushed this back together tightly this time I checked my blinkers. The left one worked fine but nothing on right side. So I changed bulbs out and still nothing. I then got under the bike and went to the connector at the two halves. Found that the blue wire wasn't pushed into the connector all the way and pushed it in and wahla! I have both blinkers. Put everything back together angain and test drive it. All worked fine. Man don't know how much you miss something until it's gone for a while. Glad to have it all working again. Also had rear running lights too but when I'd hit blinker the spot light would flash like a blinker too. So I wired those differently and now they shut off on whatever side that I'm using to allow people to see the blinker more easily. And I also just got done using weather stripping caulk to stop my saddlebag weather stripping from coming off all the time. Thanks again for all the helpful info.