I hope he can stick to it

[Chrisj CMA]

Trump just announced NO trans genders allowed in the US Military.  Go Trump!  The military does not need to be constantly making new policy because it's a girl but it's really a boy or the other way round.  Hope it sticks

[The emperor has no clothes]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

[Chrisj CMA]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

We need driven serious warriors in the military, not confused little snowflakes that can't even decide what sex they are.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

We need driven serious warriors in the military, not confused little snowflakes that can't even decide what sex they are.

Maybe. I remember plenty of guys that weren't "driven serious warriors". Hell, even a number of the Marines we had on board were what one would consider nerds or bookworms.
  Like I said, I don't pretend to understand transgenders, gays, or even anyone that's not like me. But, if someone is willing to die for our freedom I have no reason they should be stopped. I doubt they would infect the rest of the military. We should encourage people to serve our country, not shun them from it.

[Serk]

Numerous medical issues exclude someone from their ability to join the military, why should gender dysphoria be any different? It's a serious medical issue.

The military's job is to fight wars, not be a social justice experiment.

Even if I wasn't too old, I'd be barred from military service for medical disqualification (Any weight loss surgery is an automatic life-time ban from joining the US military), but you don't see people who've had weight loss surgery protesting about this, they just accept that the military isn't the right place for them and go on with their lives.

[scooperhsd]

ONCE AGAIN - the Donald proves he is an idiot (or at the very least doesn't consult those who have been studying the issue , or he is a loose cannon - somebody needs to take his twitter away from him). He really didn't need to be making any statement on this - let it go out through channels.

Personally - I'd rather have a gay / transgender / female who is going to fight / has my back in my foxhole rather than a straight male who won't. Or do we need to start  ridding the services of minorities as well ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

ONCE AGAIN - the Donald proves he is an idiot (or at the very least doesn't consult those who have been studying the issue , or he is a loose cannon - somebody needs to take his twitter away from him). He really didn't need to be making any statement on this - let it go out through channels.

Personally - I'd rather have a gay / transgender / female who is going to fight / has my back in my foxhole rather than a straight male who won't. Or do we need to start  ridding the services of minorities as well ?

Exactly.

[Titan]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

[Chrisj CMA]

Numerous medical issues exclude someone from their ability to join the military, why should gender dysphoria be any different? It's a serious medical issue.

The military's job is to fight wars, not be a social justice experiment.

Even if I wasn't too old, I'd be barred from military service for medical disqualification (Any weight loss surgery is an automatic life-time ban from joining the US military), but you don't see people who've had weight loss surgery protesting about this, they just accept that the military isn't the right place for them and go on with their lives.

Well said Serk!  Don't need the mess, we need the warriors!

[Alpha Dog]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

We need driven serious warriors in the military, not confused little snowflakes that can't even decide what sex they are.

When I found out this morn. I knew the left which likes to use the military when they are in control for social engineering was going to have a cow.  Later in the day I heard a snipet from one of O's snowflakes, a spokes person ( maybe state dept. ) Gensaki or some Saki anyway saying that they took many months to determine what to do about this issue.  Trump said he ran it through his generals.  I bet they took about 10 seconds.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

What I meant was, if all qualifications of strength, age, etc. are met gender or sexual persuasion shouldn't disqualify someone. There was a time in our not too distant future that it was felt women or blacks shouldn't be included. We evolve.

[Chrisj CMA]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

What I meant was, if all qualifications of strength, age, etc. are met gender or sexual persuasion shouldn't disqualify someone. There was a time in our not too distant future that it was felt women or blacks shouldn't be included. We evolve.

Like Serk said.  Trans Genders have a medical condition, like flat feet, heart conditions and other conditions, this is a mental illness and belongs on the ban list

[The emperor has no clothes]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

What I meant was, if all qualifications of strength, age, etc. are met gender or sexual persuasion shouldn't disqualify someone. There was a time in our not too distant future that it was felt women or blacks shouldn't be included. We evolve.

Like Serk said.  Trans Genders have a medical condition, like flat feet, heart conditions and other conditions, this is a mental illness and belongs on the ban list

Now you are a cabinet maker/ psychologist ?

[scooperhsd]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

What I meant was, if all qualifications of strength, age, etc. are met gender or sexual persuasion shouldn't disqualify someone. There was a time in our not too distant future that it was felt women or blacks shouldn't be included. We evolve.

Exactly. Now - don't mistake this for support of having our military services PAY for the medical expenses for "righting" the service members' gender assignment. If the service member wishes to pursue this outside the military medical system  at their own expense - that's the service member's problem.

And speaking of painting with large brushstrokes - just because someone is gay or transgender - does NOT make them  "snowflakes". Seems to me it would take great courage to want to continue to serve   in such a hostile environment.

[Chrisj CMA]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

What I meant was, if all qualifications of strength, age, etc. are met gender or sexual persuasion shouldn't disqualify someone. There was a time in our not too distant future that it was felt women or blacks shouldn't be included. We evolve.

Like Serk said.  Trans Genders have a medical condition, like flat feet, heart conditions and other conditions, this is a mental illness and belongs on the ban list

Now you are a cabinet maker/ psychologist ?

Lol.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist.  If you have a penis but think you are a girl...Houston we have a problem. 

[Serk]

Like Serk said.  Trans Genders have a medical condition, like flat feet, heart conditions and other conditions, this is a mental illness and belongs on the ban list

Now you are a cabinet maker/ psychologist ?

Gender Dysphoria is a "official" disorder. I don't see Chris trying to diagnose anyone with the disorder, just speaking of the disorder in general terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

[The emperor has no clothes]

I didn't realize it was a pressing issue for our military. I don't know any transgender people, and don't pretend to really understand their issues. But, I would think the most important issue for joining the military would be someone's willingness to defend our country.

I'm guessing that you're using a really wide brush to paint that issue. Maybe you're just saying this where it involves gender issues. If you mean what you said to be all inclusive, what about me serving? I absolutely have a "willingness to defend our country" so are you saying the military should accept me? Now, I'm 74 years old but in reasonably good condition. I'm quite sure I couldn't possibly do all the physical things that young guys can do, but I guess the government can make exceptions to the training schedule for me and provide full medical care as needed for my blood pressure, etc.

Ridiculous? Yeah. But it falls into the category of your feeling that "the most important issue for joining" is only based on desire and "willingness".

What I meant was, if all qualifications of strength, age, etc. are met gender or sexual persuasion shouldn't disqualify someone. There was a time in our not too distant future that it was felt women or blacks shouldn't be included. We evolve.

Like Serk said.  Trans Genders have a medical condition, like flat feet, heart conditions and other conditions, this is a mental illness and belongs on the ban list

Now you are a cabinet maker/ psychologist ?

Lol.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist.  If you have a penis but think you are a girl...Houston we have a problem. 

Maybe you are right. This is not something I have given much thought too. But if that was the case, wouldn't that also class gays as mentally ill also ?

[Serk]

Maybe you are right. This is not something I have given much thought too. But if that was the case, wouldn't that also class gays as mentally ill also ?

Homosexuality hasn't been listed as a DSM mental illness in almost 45 years, and was removed entirely from the DSM in 1987, so no.

[Chrisj CMA]

Meathead, your question about gays and should it be classified as an illness, could be another long discussion.  I m sure there are many on both sides of that argument.

For now, the issue of homosexuals in the military is settled.

Like I said at the very beginning hopefully the issue of trans genders in the military is settled as well.

[Moonshot_1]

Well to discuss this rationally we have to define a few things.

When we speak of someone who is transgendered we are not speaking of someone who simply states that they are transgendered and therefore should be considered as such. No, there are standards to this.

This would require medical standards. Medical treatments like hormone therapy, physiological therapy, and other medical requirements to maintain such a condition.

The point of "banning" transgendered folks from military service is that the Treatments and therapies required to maintain such a condition would now be the responsibility of the military.

The responsibility of the military is to kill people and break things. Requiring the military to maintain the gender identity of it's personnel is way, way out of the box.

If the military is compelled to allow such people into the military then the military, by default, must maintain their gender identities as a medical necessity. If this is not done then it puts entire units at risk as now you would have people in these units who can no longer function as they wouldn't be able to maintain their medical needs. Which are rather extensive.

[RP#62]

Well to discuss this rationally we have to define a few things.

When we speak of someone who is transgendered we are not speaking of someone who simply states that they are transgendered and therefore should be considered as such. No, there are standards to this.

This would require medical standards. Medical treatments like hormone therapy, physiological therapy, and other medical requirements to maintain such a condition.

The point of "banning" transgendered folks from military service is that the Treatments and therapies required to maintain such a condition would now be the responsibility of the military.

The responsibility of the military is to kill people and break things. Requiring the military to maintain the gender identity of it's personnel is way, way out of the box.

If the military is compelled to allow such people into the military then the military, by default, must maintain their gender identities as a medical necessity. If this is not done then it puts entire units at risk as now you would have people in these units who can no longer function as they wouldn't be able to maintain their medical needs. Which are rather extensive.

My son was saying he saw a report indicating that there was a lengthy list of accommodations that the military was going to have to make if it went through.   Don't know if this is it, but reading through this I cannot see how this would enhance our combat readiness.  But maybe that's just me.

https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/features/2016/0616_policy/DoDTGHandbook_093016.pdf


-RP

[Willow]

... And if this reply do git pulled means I still don't git P C and most likely NEVER will. ...

Take a little time to read the Rules of the Road.  Posts removed are not because they are or are not PC or even whether or not I agree with the sentiment.  They are removed if they violate the rules of the board.  If one finds he simply cannot post according to the rules then he needs to find another board to utilize.

I get a little tired of folks that claim any of their violations is simply because they are not PC.  I am as far from PC as one could be but I do have a limit as to what I will accept or present. 

[3fan4life]

I am really surprised at those who are prior military and are supporting the idea of Transgenders serving in the military.

I don't see how anyone that is confused about their gender can posses the amount of discipline that it takes to be a part of a military unit.

There is little room to be an individual in the military and especially when in combat.

From what I can see transgenders are ALL about self. 

[98valk]

The U.S. Army is telling women soldiers that they need to accept gender-confused, biological men in their showers, bathrooms, and barracks as part of a controversial policy to build “dignity and respect” for “transgender Soldiers.”

The guidance is part of the Pentagon’s new “transgender inclusion” agenda launched by Obama and gaining ground in the Armed Services. Social conservatives are mounting a counteroffensive to ditch the “trans” program altogether.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/army-prepares-women-to-shower-with-men-as-part-of-transgender-training

http://culturalmarxism.net/us-army-prepares-women-to-shower-with-men-as-part-of-transgender-training/

[98valk]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/16/armys-transgender-policy-includes-guidelines-on-male-pregnancies.html

Millions of dollars and training hours have been consumed with lectures on how to deploy transgender personnel in a war zone that has laws against that behavior,” Crews said. “Military commanders should be focused on fighting wars, not on how to deal with transgender personnel.”

The Army has begun mandatory transgender sensitivity training for soldiers. The training covers everything from “transfemale” soldiers to transgender shower etiquette to dealing with a male soldier who becomes pregnant.

Yes, good readers. Within the ranks of the greatest fighting force known to mankind – the baby’s daddy could also be the baby’s momma.

That pregnancy scenario is beyond words,” Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty executive director Ron Crews told me. “This is an example of how this social policy can be used simply to promote personal agendas at the expense of taxpayers with no regard for being what the military is all about.”

The matter of male soldiers with child is tucked away inside the Army’s “Policy on the Military Service of Transgender Soldiers Training Module, Tier 2: Commanders and Leaders.”

One of my readers serving in the Armed Forces was kind enough to send me a copy of the training briefing – mandated during the Obama Administration.

“The training module specifically outlines key roles and responsibilities of commanders, transgender soldiers, military medical providers and administrative management organizations,” Lt. Col. Jennifer Johnson told USA Today. “This training is mandatory for all uniformed members, as well as Department of the Army civilians.”

The briefing materials cover all sorts of scenarios – from shower stall etiquette to “transfemale” soldiers deployed to anti-LGBT countries.

“This situation is unique in that close proximity with women and men in foreign countries may be more complicated than in the U.S.,” the training module states.

Female soldiers must also come to terms with taking a shower alongside men who identify as women – even if the transgender soldier did not undergo sex-reassignment surgery.

“Soldiers must accept living and working conditions that are often austere, primitive, and characterized by little or no privacy,” the module states. “All soldiers will use billeting, bathroom and shower facilities associated with their gender marker.”

The Army guidelines mandate facilities will not be designed, modified or constructed to make transgender-only areas.

“Accommodations cannot isolate or stigmatize the TG soldier,” the guidelines state.

“As these training materials proclaim, there will be ‘mixed genitalia’ in military showers and sleeping quarters,” Crews said. “Moms and dads in America need to know this before they send their sons and daughters to military service.”

As I mentioned earlier, the policy also covers “what to do” vignette for commanders should they encounter an expectant transgender male soldier.

“The soldier did not have sex-reassignment surgery, and recently stopped taking male hormones in order to try and start a family. Today, the Soldier approached his commanding officer to discuss his newly confirmed pregnancy.”

The Army’s response to a transgender male pregnancy?

“Transgender Soldiers with a medical condition, including pregnancy, will be treated the same as any other Soldier with that condition,” the module states.

Ron Crews, the executive director of Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty was dumbfounded by the pregnancy module.

“That pregnancy scenario is beyond words,” Crews told me. “This is an example of how this social policy can be used simply to promote personal agendas at the expense of taxpayers with no regard for being what the military is all about.”

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am really surprised at those who are prior military and are supporting the idea of Transgenders serving in the military.

I don't see how anyone that is confused about their gender can posses the amount of discipline that it takes to be a part of a military unit.

There is little room to be an individual in the military and especially when in combat.

From what I can see transgenders are ALL about self. 

I really know little about the subject. But after watching a little news about the subject last night. Evidently there are many of them already serving admirably. As a former G.I. I'm sure you can remember back to many who were "different". I imagine the same argument was made about Blacks serving back in the day also. As someone previously said, I'd rather serve with a TG or Gay who was going to fight than a heterosexual who wasn't.

[Willow]

I really know little about the subject. But after watching a little news about the subject last night. Evidently there are many of them already serving admirably. As a former G.I. I'm sure you can remember back to many who were "different". I imagine the same argument was made about Blacks serving back in the day also. As someone previously said, I'd rather serve with a TG or Gay who was going to fight than a heterosexual who wasn't.

Not a very well thought out argument (except for the first sentence).  It is typical, though, for a liberal argument to equate any denied class to segregation against African-American despite a lack of any similarities.  You must be a lot older than I.  I went in in 1968 and we served trained and bunked alongside Marines (and recruits) of various races including blacks.  I don't remember anyone being concerned for the special medical and social requirements for blacks.  Come to think of it, black men served in the U.S. Army as far back, at least, as 1863.

I would prefer to serve alongside anyone who is willing to fight as opposed to anyone who is unwilling to fight, assuming we were in a combat role.  That role accounts for a small percentage of military assignments.  I'm not certain how that applies to any significant scale.  I have heard of very few so called transgenders being female who think they are really male.  The overwhelming majority of whom I've been made aware were males who think they are really female.  When I was in we went out of our way not to place women in front line combat roles.  I believe that still holds true with the possible exception of combat pilots.  How would we handle a person who is physically female but believes she is inwardly male?  Would she or would she not be restricted to the roles available to other physical females?  If we cross that line then wouldn't we need to drop the restriction entirely and just determine that any female who was tough enough to qualify could be included in combat arms units?  Then, of course, we would need to restructure the requirements so that an acceptable number of females would qualify.  Oh, but doesn't that open a can of worms?  I'm sure you must have done some readings on the perils of mixing males and females in front line combat units, or even males with present male lovers in such units.

Perhaps you're speaking only from your familiarity with naval personnel.  I have no real experience there.  I've always considered the modern navy to be marginally military anyway.    

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know you do Carl. As I've always considered the Grunts we carried to be marginal he men. 

[Willow]

I know you do Carl. As I've always considered the Grunts we carried to be marginal he men. 

Comma, comma, no period.  Grunts is lower cased.   

I can only imagine you must have very high standards of masculinity if you considered Marine grunts to be marginal men.      LOL!  Remind me not to get into physical competition with you.   

[Gryphon Rider]

I know you do Carl. As I've always considered the Grunts we carried to be marginal he men. 

Comma, comma, no period.  Grunts is lower cased.   

I can only imagine you must have very high standards of masculinity if you considered Marine grunts to be marginal men.      LOL!  Remind me not to get into physical competition with you.   

I wanna see a meathead vs. Willow interpretive dance competition at the next InZane.  Anyone else who feels their manliness is in question can compete with them as well.  The music can be a medley of Culture Club, Queen, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, and David Bowie hits.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know you do Carl. As I've always considered the Grunts we carried to be marginal he men. 

Comma, comma, no period.  Grunts is lower cased.   

I can only imagine you must have very high standards of masculinity if you considered Marine grunts to be marginal men.      LOL!  Remind me not to get into physical competition with you.   

I will try to remember .

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know you do Carl. As I've always considered the Grunts we carried to be marginal he men. 

Comma, comma, no period.  Grunts is lower cased.   

I can only imagine you must have very high standards of masculinity if you considered Marine grunts to be marginal men.      LOL!  Remind me not to get into physical competition with you.   

I wanna see a meathead vs. Willow interpretive dance competition at the next InZane.  Anyone else who feels their manliness is in question can compete with them as well.  The music can be a medley of Culture Club, Queen, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, and David Bowie hits.

You got it ! (You'll have to explain what interpretive dance is though) And I will need a couple hours of beer drinking beforehand. 

[Robert]

Homosexuality hasn't been listed as a DSM mental illness in almost 45 years, and was removed entirely from the DSM in 1987, so no.

You might want to explore why it was taken off the DSM because it wasn't any real tests or facts that changed the DSM. It like Obama was pretty much a stroke of the pen.


So are you guys saying that Corporal Klinger would not be able to use being a transsexual or cross dresser as a excuse for discharge anymore? MY how things have changed 

[MarkT]

I'm just glad I did my service before all these stupid social issues came to the services.  It was much more straight forward and simpler then.  If you were gay or had any such TG concerns you kept quiet about it.  Or got your ass kicked. You could count on your peers to watch your back.  And you did the same for them. There was no doubt about it and if there was - they were weeded out.

[Robert]

I'm just glad I did my service before all these stupid social issues came to the services.  It was much more straight forward and simpler then.  If you were gay or had any such TG concerns you kept quiet about it.  Or got your ass kicked. You could count on your peers to watch your back.  And you did the same for them. There was no doubt about it and if there was - they were weeded out.

Which is another very good point, how much of what we see today is the forced recognition of gays and sexual orientations and putting a stamp of public approval on these behaviors?

[Wizzard]

I think the whole subject is nothing but confusion. We do not need confusion in our military. Rob, I disagree with you on this subject in some points. Do you want the govt to pay for sex changes? That has already happened.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think the whole subject is nothing but confusion. We do not need confusion in our military. Rob, I disagree with you on this subject in some points. Do you want the govt to pay for sex changes? That has already happened.

There is much I don't want the government to pay for. But alas, they don't seem to be interested in my opinions. I don't know if its accurate, but I read that the dollars put out for Viagra in the military was quadruple what was put out for all transgender issues. I don't see many here bitching about that. The military is full of waste. If it were up to me, I would cut out about 80% of expenditures.

[Wizzard]

we certainly agree on that 

[98valk]

Homosexuality hasn't been listed as a DSM mental illness in almost 45 years, and was removed entirely from the DSM in 1987, so no.

You might want to explore why it was taken off the DSM because it wasn't any real tests or facts that changed the DSM. It like Obama was pretty much a stroke of the pen.


So are you guys saying that Corporal Klinger would not be able to use being a transsexual or cross dresser as a excuse for discharge anymore? MY how things have changed 

a very small % of members of the American Psychological Association (APA) back in the 1970s were paid off to change homosexuality from a mental disorder (DSM) to not a mental disorder. a few yrs later is when the so called coming out of the closet started. The Bible tells us that in the end days/times will be just like sodom and gomorrah and the days of noah.

[J.Mencalice]

I think the whole subject is nothing but confusion. We do not need confusion in our military. Rob, I disagree with you on this subject in some points. Do you want the govt to pay for sex changes? That has already happened.

There is much I don't want the government to pay for. But alas, they don't seem to be interested in my opinions. I don't know if its accurate, but I read that the dollars put out for Viagra in the military was quadruple what was put out for all transgender issues. I don't see many here bitching about that. The military is full of waste. If it were up to me, I would cut out about 80% of expenditures.

Figures that were expressed in a report on CNN yesterday (I'm not sure of a confirmatory source) was of 90 million for erectile dysfunction and 3 million for transgender care in the military on an annual basis.
Can't figure how boner meds figure into national security; must be for the old coots in the pentagon servicing their twenty-something girlfriends.