Rear red turn indiactors (more pics added)

[Roidfingers]

I've got a boober style going on my Valk. I wanting to put some red turn on the rear. No not the front. My question is... If it's a 2 wire light with your usual 1157, or whatever number that is bulb, can this be wired and used for running and turn? 2  filament bulb help?  TIA

[Jess from VA]

One of my bikes (permanent supervalk) came with red lenses on the rear signals and they are run-turn-brake in function.  I think they are the original rear signals (not fronts moved to the rear, but I could be wrong), and I know I have a small controller under my seat that converted them.  I think rear signals use 1156 single filament bulbs, and that is what I have.  I think the controller is able to make 1156s into run-turn-brake, even with a single filament.  I know some people have bought a set of used front signals, with 1157 dual filament bulbs, and put them on the rear.

A number of folks sell these converters (some with a bunch of flashing on braking which I would not want). Kuryakyn is one.

My red lenses are cone shaped and I have never seen them anywhere else, and when I tried to find them on-line, I couldn't.  The OE amber lenses can be painted red from the inside with Testors candy apple red, and this apparently works.  

It is unlawful to run full time ambers in the rear (unlike the front).

My bike also came with a chrome Backoff license plate frame with a row of bright red LEDs that are also run-turn-brake.  I cannot answer any questions on wiring.  All I ever do is let the smoke out.

BTW, I know there are bobber bikes, but I never heard of boober bikes.    
 

[Chrisj CMA]

I've got a boober style going on my Valk. I wanting to put some red turn on the rear. No not the front. My question is... If it's a 2 wire light with your usual 1157, or whatever number that is bulb, can this be wired and used for running and turn? 2  filament bulb help?  TIA

Never heard of a boober style bike.  Like to see pics of that!

[Roidfingers]

I've got a boober style going on my Valk. I wanting to put some red turn on the rear. No not the front. My question is... If it's a 2 wire light with your usual 1157, or whatever number that is bulb, can this be wired and used for running and turn? 2  filament bulb help?  TIA

Never heard of a boober style bike.  Like to see pics of that!

It depends on who you have on the handlebars. 

[Roidfingers]

Come on ChrisJ, I figured with you wisdom, you could give me some input. On the lights.

[Gryphon Rider]

Never heard of a boober style bike.  Like to see pics of that!

I'm always willing to help.  Providing the pics, that is, not modelling for them.  Hmmm... it seems boober bikes come with boobs and a rainbow flag.

[Roidfingers]

That's cuz he's riding a Suzuki. Which I might add he could be at the weight limit on

[Roidfingers]

Found this article, so is he saying just run a single filament and wire the run and turn together at the power?

http://rightwristtwist.com/how-to/run-turn-lights-on-one-bulb/

[Jopson]

When I converted mine, I just got some 1157 wiring socket from an auto part store and fitted them into my rear lights.
Got a Hopkins trailer converter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0002RNSPK/ref=oh_aui_i_sh_in_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Got a can of candy red spray paint from hobby lobby and went to work.
They now operate as brake lights, turn lights and taillights. The lights in the bags work as brakes and turns .

[Jess from VA]

Rfingers, I suck at wiring.  But I would recommend you go on line and do a google search for run-turn-brake controllers and do some reading (maybe some Utubes too).  There are a pile of choices and products out there, and a lot of information available.

I really need to go out and pull one of my rear signal lens covers and see if I have one or two filament bulbs/sockets in there.  I've had the bike 10 years and never lost a bulb.  New bulbs would absolutely be brighter, and not require a bank loan to purchase. 

[Roidfingers]

Thanks Jess, that's what I've been doing for last 2 hours. LOL. Thank you for the help

Jopson, These are aftermarket . But how does that wire up?

[Hooter]

Jess, let me know if it's dual filiment. I would suspect it is, but who knows, I could be wrong.

If I remember right (?) II used early 80s Yamaha red lenses before on the rear? That's been a long time ago.

[Jopson]

Jopson, These are aftermarket . But how does that wire up?

Search on the 1500 tech board for Hopkins, thats how I found my info. Was very straightforward, nice afternoon project!
If you do what I did, it was advised by somebody on here to use LED bulbs as regular bulbs can melt the plastic housings. If you do use LEDs you'll have to install a heavy duty flasher relay which are only $5-10
Otherwise your turn signals flash really fast.
Lights in bags are aftermarket tsukayu.

[mrgeoff]

Roidfingers...I can tell you what I did with my Fat Lady...I changed the rear lenses to clear ones...Then I drilled a small hole in the center of each lens...placed one Red LED into the small hole on each lens...wired the LED to the License Plate circuit...used 1, 1/2 watt 330ohm resistor wired in series to the LED hot side and wired the other lead on the LED to the ground wire on the License Plate Light circuit...This way, when I turn on the ignition, the Red LEDs light up red and the lens is still clear...when you hit the turn signal, the amber turn signal bulb lights up the clear lens...the Red LED is still on but the amber light over kills the red color...riding down the road, the two Red LEDs are on and look clean and definitely lite up the clear lens to a red color when it starts to get darker out...at night you have your tail light and these two LEDs lit and can be seen really well...It is a simple mod, and looks really clean and works well...I also replaced my rear turn signal bulbs with amber LEDs...and didn't wire any load limiter to the amber LEDs...this way they blink faster and can draw the attention of those behind me and in front of me...letting them see I mean to turn...Really kind of a neat mod...I had it on my 1300C VTX and also on my 1800R VTX...wish I could put a pic on here of it, but I could try to email anyone a pic to show them how it looks in day/night time...Good for me...Maybe not for others...But works...!!!

[Ken Tarver]

Roidfingers,
Easiest thing to do....get the kuryakyn universal run turn brake converter.
Don't have to change sockets or housing or run any extra wires. Install it under seat on right side near where the rear light harness comes out of the fender. I recommend not using the brake flasher option, as did Jess also recommend. I've installed several, they're easy. Take time and make good connections with the wiring. 

Ken

[Roidfingers]

Roidfingers,
Easiest thing to do....get the kuryakyn universal run turn brake converter.
Don't have to change sockets or housing or run any extra wires. Install it under seat on right side near where the rear light harness comes out of the fender. I recommend not using the brake flasher option, as did Jess also recommend. I've installed several, they're easy. Take time and make good connections with the wiring. 

Ken

Yes, I believe I'm gonna go that route. Not good at ohms and resistors. May go ahead and do leds with the flash reducer though. Thanks for all the help guys.

[Bagger John - #3785]

I've done all of the above WRT red rears (except post pictures of moobs. That would get a fella banned.).

My first Tourer had a relay-based converter that I designed, and which allowed all three 1157 "hi" filaments to act as brake lights. This was switch defeatable and used dual-contact sockets.

Arguably, the simplest way to get a red lens, two-filament rear setup is to use a set of front signals on the back, running the extra turn signal wires from the headlight down the frame and into the right side cover area. I built a harness which conveyed those signals to the rear light assembly, following the OEM wiring channels in the fender.

Lenses were the Kuryakyn deep-dish bezels, which work on the 2000-up (single retaining screw) turn signals.

My '01 I/S employs a run-stop-turn module and single-contact rear bulbs, and my second ('99) Tourer just uses the red lenses - but it wears the I/S trunk and those lights have been converted to a stoplight function.

[MarkT]

Never heard of a boober style bike.  Like to see pics of that!

I'm always willing to help.  Providing the pics, that is, not modelling for them.  Hmmm... it seems boober bikes come with boobs and a rainbow flag.

Now here's the guy who can use my 444-4039 shocks!

This circuit will power run-brake-turn with 1156 sockets. All you need is red lenses.  I ran clear lenses with red LED arrays.

[Jess from VA]

Jess, let me know if it's dual filiment. I would suspect it is, but who knows, I could be wrong.

If I remember right (?) II used early 80s Yamaha red lenses before on the rear? That's been a long time ago.

OK Hooter, I just went out and checked.  My supervalk has what appears to be the OE rear signal housings with single filament bulbs/sockets. With the small black box converter under the seat on the right side, my rear signals are run-turn-brake.  Again, I have cone shaped red lenses (and matching amber cones on the unmolested front signals), the cone is probably 3 times as high as a stock lens, but they don't come to a point, the lens ends are cut off flat.  My PO did a number of things to make this bike more visible, and these longer signal lenses make the bike very visible from the side.  I think my converter was made by Back-Off.  But it has to be in the area of 12+ years old.

I have never been able to find these aftermarket lenses.  As pointed out above, a set of Kuryakyn deep dish bezel signal lenses come with both amber and red lenses, so those should work to get red lenses if you don't want to paint your OE ambers red.

EDIT:  OK, a search revealed these OE Suzuki cone shaped signal lenses.  This is the exact shape lenses I have  on my bike, red rears and amber fronts.  I don't know if mine are Suzuki (or where the hell they came from), but they fit the OE housings perfectly and are two screw mount.  And it looks like the second screw just taps into the plastic housing at one side.... as the OE lenses are single screw mounts on my 99 interstate.



Here are the Kuryakyn Deep Dish bezel replacement lenses for OE housings in both amber and red.  They leave a ring of color around the edge of each lens, visible to the sides.  I put these on my other trunked IS maybe 10 years ago, and the plastic chrome is bubbling and in rough condition.  But they work to get red on the rear (one screw mounts I believe).

[Houdini]

I've got a boober style going on my Valk. I wanting to put some red turn on the rear. No not the front. My question is... If it's a 2 wire light with your usual 1157, or whatever number that is bulb, can this be wired and used for running and turn? 2  filament bulb help?  TIA

I'm running this setup on both my Valks, it converts the turn signal housings into red running lights and turn signals.  I use a clear lens and amber turn signals and the LED's in the kit are red.

http://electricalconnection.com/index.php/product/turn-signal-conversion-kit-straight-in-bulb/



I'm also running a license plate frame with LED's wired in as run and stop lights.

Run

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[Roidfingers]

Thanks for all the replies. But I'm not using stock anything. I have 4 small billet lights that come with both amber and red lenses. 2 wire configuration. The will be mounted to the upper shock bolts with bracket. ( Maybe. Haven't really decided yet).



keys to show the size.

[Bagger John - #3785]

Halogen, or LED bulbs in those?

[Roidfingers]

Halogen but may convert to LED and by a flasher mod. under 25 bucks a pair shipped. Very heavy and solid

[Hooter]

Thanks Jess, that's what I was looking for.

[Ken Tarver]

Hey Roidfingers,

What's the brand name for those lights? And where did you get them?

Ken

[Roidfingers]

Hey Roidfingers,

What's the brand name for those lights? And where did you get them?

Ken

Got them on ebay. Not sure of the brand. Can't find the red ones.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Metal-Mini-Bullet-Turn-Signal-for-Harley-Softail-Sportster-Chopper-Bobber/360694926913?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Here are some others I bought , but I haven't received them yet to determine quality.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Bullet-Lights-Smooth-Housing-Motorcycle-Amber-Red-Lens/380537121122?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

[Bagger John - #3785]

When I first got my VTX1800 (Rattlebars' old "Blue Bruiser") it had been converted to use small Kuryakyn Silver Bullets as front and rear turn signals.

These are 20w bulbs. They also generate enough heat that they were always cooking their sockets.

I found some obnoxiously bright planar LED elements and converted the signal assemblies to use them. The conversion necessitated the use of an LED-compatible flasher (hence, my earlier Radiantz reference).

If you can go LED in yours, I'd serious consider it. If not...I have a bunch of bulbs and sockets here for the time when yours fail. Make me an offer I can't refuse. 

[vanagon40]

. . . . Arguably, the simplest way to get a red lens, two-filament rear setup is to use a set of front signals on the back, running the extra turn signal wires from the headlight down the frame and into the right side cover area. I built a harness which conveyed those signals to the rear light assembly, following the OEM wiring channels in the fender. . . .

I did that, using the input for the front running lights to power the rear lights. The advantage is that the running light turns off when the signal is on, giving a better contrast for the signal light. And, I wanted brake lights as well. Not sure what circuit I designed, but the relays and diodes came out looking like this.

[Roidfingers]

Like I can do something like that. 

[Roidfingers]

Why pay 22 bucks for the LED flasher controller from show chrome when these guys, who we know, have it for 4.99. ????

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/led-light-load-resistor-kit-led-turn-signal-hyper-flash-warning-fix/190/831/

[Roidfingers]

Ok, I got these in, same bulbs as the others and they are metal and chrome. Heavy duty. At 10 bucks a pair that's crazy.

https://vod.ebay.com/vod/FetchOrderDetails?itemid=380537121122&transid=828996078025&ul_noapp=true


I also have the leds for these coming too , 2 reds and 2 ambers.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/boat-rv-bulbs/1142-led-bulb-w-stock-cover-12-smd-led-ba15d-retrofit-car/1978/4558/?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=base&utm_content=1142-x12-G-CAR&utm_campaign=GoogleBaseChild&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Ielqavf1QIVkYSzCh2ncgouEAQYASABEgL1tPD_BwE

These replace the R10W bulb that came in either light from above post. Let you know how it works out.

[Willow]

Why pay 22 bucks for the LED flasher controller from show chrome when these guys, who we know, have it for 4.99. ????

Because what the resistor does is add electric load pretty well offsetting the reason for using LEDs.

Did I read the description correctly that you need one for each light?  If so, that's 4 X $4.99.

[Roidfingers]

Not if your just doing leds in the rear lights and leaving fronts the same. But I did purchase it, gonna do fronts too. So this just plugs into where oem flasher connects?

[Willow]

Not if your just doing leds in the rear lights and leaving fronts the same. But I did purchase it, gonna do fronts too. So this just plugs into where oem flasher connects?   

Not instead of the flasher.  It connects between the flasher and the light.  It imitates the resistance of the old style bulb.

[Jess from VA]

Why pay 22 bucks for the LED flasher controller from show chrome when these guys, who we know, have it for 4.99. ????

Because what the resistor does is add electric load pretty well offsetting the reason for using LEDs.

Did I read the description correctly that you need one for each light?  If so, that's 4 X $4.99.

They also get hot enough to burn you, or any parts/wires you install them near.  beware

[Roidfingers]

Those of you that have it. Where did you install it. Maybe zip tied to the frame under the cover?

[Ken Tarver]

Willow is correct,  a load equalizer is needed for each LED turn signal bulb.

Ken

[Roidfingers]

Yes Ken, as I said. What if you were just doing rear led's. Not fronts. Then those would work. But as I stated I'm doing all of mine and have therefore purchased said flasher mod.

[72cutlassdude]

LED's are for sure the way to go! Converted mine over to RTB 4 yrs ago using the Signal Minder. Using Radiantz 1.8" LED's in the turn signal housings and their brake light LED. This is a shot of just running light mode.

[Ken Tarver]

Sorry Roid,
Guess I just overlooked reading that part where you stated that you are installing on all the turn signals.
When you gonna start showing us your build out....pictures, pictures?