Rotella T6 Oill

[Gideon]

Rotella T6 5-40 Synthetic Oil is on sale at Meijer Department stores until 10-31.
You pay $21.39 and then mail in your receipt for a $5 rebate, total cost is $16.39.
Not bad for a 4gts of a great oil. 
 

[da prez]

   QUESTION , when I looked at T-6 rotella , I saw four different kinds. What is the one we should use in the Valk. I run rotella 15w40 now and have been for many years. I would like to switch to synthetic.

                                                  da prez

[98valk]

   QUESTION , when I looked at T-6 rotella , I saw four different kinds. What is the one we should use in the Valk. I run rotella 15w40 now and have been for many years. I would like to switch to synthetic.

                                                  da prez

to meet latest specs just about all oils are a semi-synthetic today.  The 5w40 is allowed to be called full syn due to case law of castrol vs mobil yrs ago.
whatever diesel oil u use make sure u follow my post for best protection of our engines due to the new spec'd diesel oils CK-4.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,96825.0.html

[gordonv]

   QUESTION , when I looked at T-6 rotella , I saw four different kinds. What is the one we should use in the Valk. I run rotella 15w40 now and have been for many years. I would like to switch to synthetic.

I thought that the Rotella T6 is only one blend. Same with the T5?

[Gideon]

   QUESTION , when I looked at T-6 rotella , I saw four different kinds. What is the one we should use in the Valk. I run rotella 15w40 now and have been for many years. I would like to switch to synthetic.

I thought that the Rotella T6 is only one blend. Same with the T5?

If look at the Shell Rotella Website, they show Rotella T-6 come as a SAE 0W-40 or a SAE 5W-40.

[Hooter]

That "0" stuff scares me a touch....

[98valk]

That "0" stuff scares me a touch....

Dr Haas, Motor Oil 101

http://www.supramania.com/aehaas/

[PAVALKER]

$5.00 rebate on Rotella T6

http://rotella.shell.com/coupons-rebates-and-sweepstakes/save-5-per-gallon-back-by-mail.html#iframe=L0RJWS9OYXRpb25hbDE3L3N0b3JlbG9jYXRvci5jZm0

[Paladin528]

Only use the 0W-40 if you run a european car with a Turbo or any car with a turbo for that matter.

[cookiedough]

so concensus says on here that rotella t6 5w-40 in the dark blue gallon jug is perfectly fine correct to run since does not have the energy conservative saying on the round label on back of jug?  Just making sure several others have used it on their Valks and/or other cycles since going that route on one of my valks being the older 1998 with 78K miles on it in next week or so before putting cycle up for the winter season.

Amsoil 10w-40 is getting too darn expensive at 11 bucks per qt. to add now to 4 cycles owned.  If no issues on 1998 next riding season, switching all over to rotella t6 5w-40 next fall saving near 7 bucks per qt. times well over 13+ qts. needed being near 100 bucks in savings alone for oil changes once per year.

[98valk]

so concensus says on here that rotella t6 5w-40 in the dark blue gallon jug is perfectly fine correct to run since does not have the energy conservative saying on the round label on back of jug?  Just making sure several others have used it on their Valks and/or other cycles since going that route on one of my valks being the older 1998 with 78K miles on it in next week or so before putting cycle up for the winter season.

Amsoil 10w-40 is getting too darn expensive at 11 bucks per qt. to add now to 4 cycles owned.  If no issues on 1998 next riding season, switching all over to rotella t6 5w-40 next fall saving near 7 bucks per qt. times well over 13+ qts. needed being near 100 bucks in savings alone for oil changes once per year.

u will be fine. yrs ago there were many with over 100k miles who were running 5w40 rotella for 10k miles (most likely oil analysis would have allowed up to 5k miles more before a change was needed), with an oil filter change and top off at 5k miles.  remember honda lists 8k mile changes for their flagship cycle using their poor dino oil.

[cookiedough]

Yah,  have decided to go rotella T6 going back on sale at farm and fleet for 19.99 per blue gallon jug next week on both my 2 Valkyries and even my 1997 honda magna 750cc.   With 5 dollar rebates, ends up being one gallon for 15 bucks.

I have always used Amsoil 10w-40 in years past but now that I have 3 cycles taking it vs. was only one prior,  I cannot justify going to my local Amsoil rep any longer since just got done talking to him today and price went up to 11.40 per qt.  so 136.80 for 12 quarts for Amsoil vs. 15x3=45 bucks for 3 gallon jugs of rotella T6.  I cannot justify wasting 91.80 cents for 3 oil changes for the price of Amsoil any longer even though I know it is good stuff,  the pricing keeps going up and up and up on that Amsoil 10w-40 cycle oil.  On all 3 cycles do not go over 5000 miles per riding season anyways so not like the useful life of using synthetic oil is reached from April thru November.

I am a tad bit skeptical, or should I say apprehensive, though on using 5w-40 weight oil on all 3 Honda cycles though that recommend 10w oil. 

If I lived in a hotter climate say AZ where it reaches over 90 degrees daily,  I would stick with 10w oil for sure or even go 15w.    I do not do much long distance rides anyways or over 90 degree rides though here in WI so should be fine.

[98valk]

Yah,  have decided to go rotella T6 going back on sale at farm and fleet for 19.99 per blue gallon jug next week on both my 2 Valkyries and even my 1997 honda magna 750cc.   With 5 dollar rebates, ends up being one gallon for 15 bucks.

I have always used Amsoil 10w-40 in years past but now that I have 3 cycles taking it vs. was only one prior,  I cannot justify going to my local Amsoil rep any longer since just got done talking to him today and price went up to 11.40 per qt.  so 136.80 for 12 quarts for Amsoil vs. 15x3=45 bucks for 3 gallon jugs of rotella T6.  I cannot justify wasting 91.80 cents for 3 oil changes for the price of Amsoil any longer even though I know it is good stuff,  the pricing keeps going up and up and up on that Amsoil 10w-40 cycle oil.  On all 3 cycles do not go over 5000 miles per riding season anyways so not like the useful life of using synthetic oil is reached from April thru November.

I am a tad bit skeptical, or should I say apprehensive, though on using 5w-40 weight oil on all 3 Honda cycles though that recommend 10w oil. 

If I lived in a hotter climate say AZ where it reaches over 90 degrees daily,  I would stick with 10w oil for sure or even go 15w.    I do not do much long distance rides anyways or over 90 degree rides though here in WI so should be fine.

read the link to Dr Haas.   the low number is the cold start up weight, 40 is the operating temp weight. a high % of engine wear is at startup.

[Bugslayer]

I've always used Rotella T6... 153,000+ miles  still running strong. 

[Gideon]

so concensus says on here that rotella t6 5w-40 in the dark blue gallon jug is perfectly fine correct to run since does not have the energy conservative saying on the round label on back of jug?  Just making sure several others have used it on their Valks and/or other cycles since going that route on one of my valks being the older 1998 with 78K miles on it in next week or so before putting cycle up for the winter season.

Amsoil 10w-40 is getting too darn expensive at 11 bucks per qt. to add now to 4 cycles owned.  If no issues on 1998 next riding season, switching all over to rotella t6 5w-40 next fall saving near 7 bucks per qt. times well over 13+ qts. needed being near 100 bucks in savings alone for oil changes once per year.

I have a 2003 Valk that I purchased New.  Used Amsoil 10w-40 until 2007, then thanks to the information on this great forum I changed to Rotella 5w-40. I have been using it ever since.
P.S.
I didn't know it was a "Fast Black" until the test ride. LOL

[six2go #152]

Yah,  have decided to go rotella T6 going back on sale at farm and fleet for 19.99 per blue gallon jug next week on both my 2 Valkyries and even my 1997 honda magna 750cc.   With 5 dollar rebates, ends up being one gallon for 15 bucks.

I have always used Amsoil 10w-40 in years past but now that I have 3 cycles taking it vs. was only one prior,  I cannot justify going to my local Amsoil rep any longer since just got done talking to him today and price went up to 11.40 per qt.  so 136.80 for 12 quarts for Amsoil vs. 15x3=45 bucks for 3 gallon jugs of rotella T6.  I cannot justify wasting 91.80 cents for 3 oil changes for the price of Amsoil any longer even though I know it is good stuff,  the pricing keeps going up and up and up on that Amsoil 10w-40 cycle oil.  On all 3 cycles do not go over 5000 miles per riding season anyways so not like the useful life of using synthetic oil is reached from April thru November.

I am a tad bit skeptical, or should I say apprehensive, though on using 5w-40 weight oil on all 3 Honda cycles though that recommend 10w oil. 

If I lived in a hotter climate say AZ where it reaches over 90 degrees daily,  I would stick with 10w oil for sure or even go 15w.    I do not do much long distance rides anyways or over 90 degree rides though here in WI so should be fine.

read the link to Dr Haas.   the low number is the cold start up weight, 40 is the operating temp weight. a high % of engine wear is at startup.

Correct me if I'm wrong(like that wouldn't happen  ), but not only is the low number the viscosity when cold, it's also  the viscosity at 0 degrees. So almost no motorcycle owner would expose their bike to that low number. Start up at 40 deg for example, the viscosity would be somewhat higher than the **w number.

[cookiedough]

a lot of new vehicles are going route of 0w-20 including my toyota tundra for years now as well as some newer ATVs being 0w-40 synthetic oils.  I ran 0w-40 even in my older atvs no issues.

I really think some of us, including myself, over analyze oil weights when we should be worrying more about longevity between oil changes more so.  I for one will not go over 5K miles between oil changes in any of my vehicles or cycles, etc. 

[98valk]

a lot of new vehicles are going route of 0w-20 including my toyota tundra for years now as well as some newer ATVs being 0w-40 synthetic oils.  I ran 0w-40 even in my older atvs no issues.

I really think some of us, including myself, over analyze oil weights when we should be worrying more about longevity between oil changes more so.  I for one will not go over 5K miles between oil changes in any of my vehicles or cycles, etc. 

engines today and mainly the oil are all designed for 8-10k oil changes some even longer under certain conditions. Suggest, one used oil analysis and u will see this is true. or peruse UOAs on www.bobistheoilguy.com

here was my testing at 4200 miles, I re-tested at 8k miles after 2yrs and it came back still good for use for at least another 4k miles.

u can see from my other UOA that metal wear has gone done indicating that the engine is finnaly breaking in or getting close to it, whereas metals should stabilize.

OIL REPORT from Blackstone Labs

MAKE/MODEL:      Honda Motorcycle GL 1500 6-cyl 
FUEL TYPE:
ADDITIONAL INFO:   OEM Air Filter
OIL TYPE & GRADE:   Amsoil 10w30/30HD Diesel Oil
OIL USE INTERVAL:   08/12/09 to 08/06/10 Temps 25F to 100F in that time. Pure1 oil filter PL14459
BLACKSTONE COMMENTS: Universal averages show typical wear metals for an oil from this Honda GL 1500 after about 6,100 miles on the oil. Your oil was run 4,258 miles and wear metals read around those averages. All metals were in correct balance, which is a good indication that internal parts are wearing normally. This viscosity read on target for 10W/30 and was free of any contaminants. The TBN was still strong at 7.1, lots of active additive left. A TBN of 1.0 is low. Insolubles, which are solids formed by heat and use, were good at 0.4%.
Try going 6,000 miles next time.

Miles on Oil   4258      Universal
Miles on Unit   26247      Avgs
Sample Date   08/06/10

ALUMINUM   6      5
CHROMIUM   1      1
IRON      18      22
COPPER      11      8
LEAD      4      4
TIN      1      1
MOLYBDENUM   3      59
NICKEL      0      1
MANGANESE   1      0
SILVER      0      0
TITANIUM   0      0
POTASSIUM   3      2
BORON      51      68
SILICON      13      9
SODIUM      5      7
CALCIUM    3457      2293
MAGNESIUM   27      193
PHOSPHORUS   1080      940
ZINC      1279      1131
BARIUM      0      0

SUS Viscosity @ 210̊F   58.8
cSt Viscosity @ 100̊C   9.89
Flashpoint in ̊F      375
Fuel %         <0.5
Antifreeze %      0.0
Water %         0.0
Insolubles %      0.4
TBN         7.1


My Comments: Very happy with this oil. Especially how it performed considering the wide temperature range and being in service for 1 yr.
During colder temperatures radiator was blocked 95% to maintain 180F water temperature and 185-195F oil temperatures.
This is my number one oil choice now.

cst 9.30-12.49 per the charts for 30w.

Amsoil list 10.5 cst
a previous post of a VOA was 9.9 cst
so it looks like this oil didn't shear at all at 9.89 cst
during this 1yr time frame. always had at least 5 minute warmup in winter and due to all the snow this past winter the bike sat not running for about 1 1/2 months.
when this oil was only rated at 30w it met the wet clutch specs like allison.
Very impressed with the TBN after 1yr.
Smoothest shifting oil even now after 1yr I have ever used.
will sample again at another 4k miles.