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« on: October 11, 2017, 03:38:15 PM » |
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Bike starter running kind of rough and the instrument panel started flashing. Charging battery now so I can start bike and check with my meter.
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98valk
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 03:58:34 PM » |
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check all grounds for looseness and corrosion and the battery connections and relays behind the right side cover.
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1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp
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gordonv
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 06:01:33 PM » |
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It could be anything from the alt to the battery.
That means, the alt, the wires, and the bog bone fuse.
Do you know how and where to test it with a meter?
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 07:47:44 PM » |
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Bike starter running kind of rough and the instrument panel started flashing. Charging battery now so I can start bike and check with my meter.
Sounds exactly like mine acted when the alternator went out.  |
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Gideon
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 05:13:25 AM » |
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Bike starter running kind of rough and the instrument panel started flashing. Charging battery now so I can start bike and check with my meter.
Sounds exactly like mine acted when the alternator went out. May I ask, how many miles did both of you have on your bikes when this happened? |
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But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk, and not faint. Isaiah 40:31
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 05:14:35 AM » |
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Bike starter running kind of rough and the instrument panel started flashing. Charging battery now so I can start bike and check with my meter.
Sounds exactly like mine acted when the alternator went out. May I ask, how many miles did both of you have on your bikes when this happened? 84k for me. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 09:10:10 AM » |
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Mine did the same and it was the ground wire connection. Frame to engine ground.
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2006 Honda Sabre 1100
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Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 05:00:30 PM » |
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Not sure now charged battery and 12.4 volts. Before starting bike after starting 14.4 volts at a little above idle. Got a spare battery in saddle bag and a 30 minute drive here me in the morning. My bike has almost78000 miles on it. I lost an alt. On my other bike at 94000 miles. I replaced it with the goldwing alt. And now have 197000 miles on it.
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gordonv
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 05:47:10 PM » |
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Not sure now charged battery and 12.4 volts. Before starting bike after starting 14.4 volts at a little above idle.
Well you have higher charging volt than mine at 14.1v . On my GW, I would get a lower than it should volt when on the enricher warming up, 13.8v . Then after start, it would be at battery voltage for 5 min. Then 10 min, then 15 min, then never, would it come up from battery voltage to charging voltage. In the end, I removed the alternator, took it apart, and found the brushes where jammed in by the dust. Flushed out with WD40 (was since told shouldn't have used that), till they moved freely, then put it back together and back into the MC. All well after, and voltage always came up when off idle. (brushes where about half worn at 60K miles). |
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Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 02:47:36 AM » |
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Well it's the alt. Road 25 miles this morning home lights would go dim and then get bright again as l road about 20 miles from home they never got bright again. The tach and speedometer quit just as I turning to the neighborhood. I got it into garage and it died when I let it idle. I checked volt on battery it was 10.6 volts. The good Lord was watching out for this wayward soul today. I did ask him to bless this ride and continued to pray as the lights got dimmer. I think the brushes might be the problem as the power seemed to come and go on the rough parts of the ride.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2017, 05:31:27 AM » |
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Well it's the alt. Road 25 miles this morning home lights would go dim and then get bright again as l road about 20 miles from home they never got bright again. The tach and speedometer quit just as I turning to the neighborhood. I got it into garage and it died when I let it idle. I checked volt on battery it was 10.6 volts. The good Lord was watching out for this wayward soul today. I did ask him to bless this ride and continued to pray as the lights got dimmer. I think the brushes might be the problem as the power seemed to come and go on the rough parts of the ride.
Good news then. Brushes are cheap and pretty easy to install if you know how to use a soldering gun. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2017, 12:09:49 PM » |
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My alternator went out about 25 miles from home at the very start of a road trip from Calgary to Whidbey Island, Washington. I trailered the bike home and my wife and I hopped in the cage and headed to Whidbey(Damn).
I pulled it apart when I got home...brushes were not worn much so I took it to a local starter/alternator rebuilder, got it back 2 days later with new bearings, brushes and a rewound rotor which was toast. The tech at the shop commented that the rotor wire was very thin and was probably why it burned out. I read somewhere that these Hitachi units were outsourced to China in the mid 90's and that was when the trouble started....rumour or fact ??...who knows.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2017, 12:32:04 PM » |
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My alternator went out about 25 miles from home at the very start of a road trip from Calgary to Whidbey Island, Washington. I trailered the bike home and my wife and I hopped in the cage and headed to Whidbey(Damn).
I pulled it apart when I got home...brushes were not worn much so I took it to a local starter/alternator rebuilder, got it back 2 days later with new bearings, brushes and a rewound rotor which was toast. The tech at the shop commented that the rotor wire was very thin and was probably why it burned out. I read somewhere that these Hitachi units were outsourced to China in the mid 90's and that was when the trouble started....rumour or fact ??...who knows.
http://myplace.frontier.com/~hemi-roid/ might be best rebuilds available. "In 1995 HITACHI moved their manufacturing from JAPAN to CHINA, since then they have been producing bad alternators. Broken rotor windings or burned up rotor coils from inferior wire and insulation. I have rebuilt over 800 GL1500 alternators and 95% were later models." http://www.goldwingfacts.com/used1500.htm"2. Electrics are generally trouble free but get yourself a Honda shop manual because the amount of relays and wiring is huge. Woe to he who decides to replace any relays with cheapo car items, so don't say you haven't been warned! None of the alternator problems of previous Wings although the bearings can wear out which gives a peculiar wobbling sound and/or vibration when you rev the engine to around 2500rpm. If left unattended the back plate on the alternator will wear and have to be scrapped. It pays to replace the bearing early, before it starts spinning in the cover. It's a doddle to remove the alternator so no excuses for letting it fall apart. The rubber damper blocks in the engine that the alternator slots into can also wear or break up and this results in the same wobbling/vibration. Also it's worth noting that after Honda stopped producing alternators in Japan during 1996 and started having them made in China instead, the quality suffered. This is down to the inferior wiring used in the China made units and is another victory for the bean-counters at the expense of the customer. Many later GL1500 and GL1800 alternators have been know to fail suddenly, even when quite new and with low mileage. I've seen one on a new (in 2000) GL1500SE fail within a week and only 26 miles. Honda did replace the alternator under warranty, with another new Chinese unit which lasted just over a year." |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2017, 05:37:34 AM » |
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The whole Auto/MC industry has devolved into a supply chain story with recalls and reliability/safety issues that crop up in the news almost on a daily basis....the bean counters are usually in the exec positions, while the enthusiasts/engineers are now somewhere in the background proabaly thinking "we told you guys you were making the wrong choice on that part"!!....regarding cars.... whereas, with the Motorcycle industry the people who design the product probably still have some clout at the front lines...maybe even a corner office with a view.
Manufacturing of all products seems to be about designing in eventual failure to keep more product going out the door for good corporate margins(and I guess keeping people employed)
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2017, 07:35:13 AM » |
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I've been a Goldwing mechanic for many years, and agree with Vaquero regarding the change in alternators in the mid-90s hence the failure rate was quiet high. I agree that brushes do wear out, but I see rotor failure on these late 90s units to be a bigger problem then the brushes. I never replace these alternators with OEM... They are inadequate to begin with. There are several good aftermarket units out there that are better quality, less costly and have a higher output (90amp vs. 45amp).
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