Electrical Schematics in ACAD?

[pago cruiser]

Has anybody done this yet?
I have a little project over in the 1500 Tech section; will need to make considerable changes to the 1800 Valk wiring harness, and am thinking AutoCAD would be the easiest.

Would be superb if someone has already done this; or I'll just have to start it myself...    

[Robert]

Wow feeling really lucky aren't you, did you play the lottery also   

[Firefight100]

I did this for a few years.  I was the technical writer for Philips Health. 
I used Microsoft Visio.  Like all big programs it took a while to learn.  One thing is the electrical symbols diagram databases are mostly already created.
I have always been a fan of Microsoft programs because they seamlessly work together., most of the time.
Also you can download it for free  for a trial from Microsoft.

[Bill Havins]

The schematics in the Honda Service Manual (here on the corner of my desk) are very simple and easy to follow.  Most of the time the pinouts on the connectors are accurate; the one big exception is the 24 pin connector on the Combination Meter.

Good luck with your project!

Bill

[Crabballs]

I'll second Visio, great program for sure.

[pago cruiser]

Thanks guys.

Yea, I was feeling lucky...   

We use AutoCAD and Revit at work - a lot.  But for this, ACAD is better suited. 
Had not thought of Visio - may try that if this doesn't work out - at least I am pretty well versed in ACAD.

I scanned one of the (3) diagrams with our printer, and then tried a "PDF to ACAD" program I purchased a couple years ago.  It works great on simple line drawings... not so much on wiring diagrams.   I'll post a pic later of how it turned out - rather comical actually... 

Got a proposal from a vendor to transfer the (3) Valk wiring diagrams into ACAD for $50/sheet.  Asked them to send a sample.  if the sample looks good, $50 is a heck of a deal.  As you might guess, they send the files "overseas".  I started tracing some of the line work on one drawing - stopped after an hour.  Figured it would take me at least a week to duplicate (1) diagram...

Bill - could you advise of the issue with the "24 pin connector" on the combo meter?
I ordered 2014 Valk non-abs wiring harness, meter, and PCM last week - should be getting it tomorrow to start placing the stuff on the Legacy Valk frame...

My intent with the ACAD versions is to strip off all the ABS stuff - ABS modulator, ABS turn signal relay, ABS turn signal switch, ABS wheel speed sensors,  ABS clutch switch, and start from the cleaned up version of the diagram. 

This has turned into a daunting task - there are about 8 different sensors that are different from the gl1800 versions - and I don't know if the differences are say, how it's mounted, or if there was a design change from something like a narrow band to a wide band O2 sensor.  Things like Honda calling a CKP a Crankshaft Position Sensor in the Manual, and a "Generator Assembly, Pulse" in a parts diagram does not help...   ???

If the sample looks good, I'll post a pic.  If I proceed with this, I don't mind sharing the final files - but can the site host anything other than jpgs?  If so, I do not know how to post.

[Bill Havins]

PC,

Some of my frustration coming through.  Sorry!

On the schematic the connector is labeled a "28P Gr" connector.  That means 28 pin gray connector where I come from.  Well, it isn't.  It is a 24 pin connector and it's, er, well, I guess we can call it gray.

The connector is made by JAE.  See "crude" schematic of the male and female connectors (including JAE part numbers) in the image below.

[pago cruiser]

Thanks for the info on that connector!  I should be picking up the wiring harness, Meter, and ECM tomorrow; I'll let you know if it matches.

Got a sample back from the overseas CAD people (OCP?)  Looks really good: This is a screen capture of the sample acad file they sent:



Said it should take them a week or so.

In contrast, here is the version I did with our in-house pdf to ACAD system:



 

[Bill Havins]

Honda has done a nice job with the schematics in the Service Manual.  I have dealt with several of the connectors and have discovered that they layout the wires in the schematic according to the pin on the connector.  So, for example, the left-most wire on the combination meter in your screen shot connects to pin 1 of the connector.  So the wires are organized left -> right, from pin 1 to pin X on each connector in the schematic.  Nice job!  The only way it might be better is if they included the actual pin numbers, but that might get confusing/cluttered.

On the combination meter connector there are spaces between some of the wires.  Those are spots where  pins in the connector are not attached to wires.  So (refer to my crude schematic, above), there are spaces at "positions" 4, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 20, and 21.  There are no wires connected to those pins of the connector attached to the wiring harness.  Pretty simple.

I don't know if all of the connectors/wires are drawn as above.  But some are, including the combination meter connector.

Good luck!

Bill

[Jersey]

Honda has done a nice job with the schematics in the Service Manual.  I have dealt with several of the connectors and have discovered that they layout the wires in the schematic according to the pin on the connector.  So, for example, the left-most wire on the combination meter in your screen shot connects to pin 1 of the connector.  So the wires are organized left -> right, from pin 1 to pin X on each connector in the schematic.  Nice job!  The only way it might be better is if they included the actual pin numbers, but that might get confusing/cluttered.

On the combination meter connector there are spaces between some of the wires.  Those are spots where  pins in the connector are not attached to wires.  So (refer to my crude schematic, above), there are spaces at "positions" 4, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 20, and 21.  There are no wires connected to those pins of the connector attached to the wiring harness.  Pretty simple.

I don't know if all of the connectors/wires are drawn as above.  But some are, including the combination meter connector.

Good luck!

Bill

Bill,

Do you have a copy of the wiring diagram for the 2014-15 Valkyrie?

[Bill Havins]

I have the service manual.  The schematics are very easy to read.

Bill

[Jersey]

Does anyone have an electronic version of the 1800C wiring diagrams?

[Firefight100]

Here you go.  The schematic for the 2014
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uBTXZXG734LtCktxYPSbrs1RnE2Yh1GX/view?usp=sharing